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On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote:
With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but,
Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours.
1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa?
2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads.
3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse?
4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated?
5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it.
As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post.
Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you.
Okay, last post before I head to bed!
You want me to address my thoughts on MihZaa. See, he's currently the one I'm the most on the fence with, aka don't know where I should put him. I'll show you a few pointers of why I don't fully see him as town, and you'll see that even though he's not towny enough for me, yet, it's all rather minor so not a full mafia read either. But you know what they say.. Many small brooks make a strong river.
It started with this:
You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now).
Why would I change anything I'm doing?
If I am town, great, because then people see I am town.
If I am mafia I would want to hide that I am, right?
So in both occasions nothing would change my general demeanor and the way I put myself out there.
The very same post he also brought up something about a disproportion in my posts. I took it as though he thought my posts were lengthy but didn't give many reads. Which I thought was weird, why would I be able to give a lot of reads so early in to the game?
I asked him about it, and he corrected me, saying he meant that he thought I had too much to give.
But he also avoided my questions to him.
On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote:
Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given.
How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game?
How many do you think you could possibly give?
I don't read too much in to these two situations, since they're minor things that just made me perk my ears a little.
It continued with his reaction to abuse's questions. I agree that there are better questions one could have asked. But I saw nothing wrong in asking them. It didn't feel like it was necessarily indicative of any alignment.
It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
Then he, in the same post, said this:
I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.
I think it's quite the opposite. Mafia wants to not appear scum and if he can get some easy town points by making a post from work while he's on his break or similar, I don't see why mafia wouldn't.
This could just be a difference in opinions though, so it doesn't really make me think either way of MihZaaaa.
He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy.
The sexism thing was obviously a joke, and he shouldn't feel the least bad about it. (Just wanted to add, in case he was actually worried.)
And then he commented on a post I made about the +1-1 and Mihzaa not being in the final reads of that post.
On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote:Show nested quote +I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.
The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse.
Care to explain that? Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now.
So he says his town circle is Barakos, Superbia, Himself and I'm assuming me, since he was commenting on my post about the math mistake at the end there.
Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off.
So it's not so much what he said, more how he said it.
On August 27 2014 05:51 MihZaaa wrote:
Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town.
All in all, I feel very confused and flip floppy about my read on MihZaaaa, which is why I'm on the fence about him.
At one moment he makes me feel like he's trying to push town agenda, the other moment he phrases something oddly and it feels scummy. I'll filter dive him tomorrow again, after a good nights rest, to see if maybe I just needed to sleep on it to get a general idea of where he is.
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Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts.
From least scummy to most.
Barakos
Superbia and JennyHell
Abuse
People who haven't contributed enough:
Lilwade
Meatpudding
Breshke
Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine
With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5.
Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him.
I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours.
Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that.
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Vote Count – Day 1
Breshke (0): Superbia
Abuse (1): Superbia
Not voting (9): Cupcakes
Currently, Abuse is set to be lynched with 1 vote.
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Day 1 will end in .
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Gool morning everyone! I've tried to collate my thoughts as coherently as possible. Please ask away if you have any questions. I'll check back throughout the day and I'll answer when I can. Here we go with how I'm feeling right now with the activity we have had so far:
MihZaaa
I like that you're being cautious on Jenny. That reads town to me. What do you think about lynch all lurkers now that the day has progressed some? I'm not reading into any activity levels as alignment indicative especially when just over half the players have posted anything. Your reads on Superbia are more or less what I was thinking. I'm not sure if you decided to scum read him or if you are neutral, care to elaborate?
Barakos
You're paying attention which is good.
Calling out Superbia's claim that I claimed is important. It's probably the most alignment indicative moment so far (for Superbia). But off he is doing a lot of work to be productive. Your thoughts on Superbia are acceptable. +1
abuse
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
Superbia
Your first epic was a bit hard to read, with so many jokes and serious comments I wasn't sure if I could hold you to anything you said there. The comment about the soft claim by me? Wicked. You said yourself that you have private reads, so if you thought that I don't see why posting it would help the town. I like your tentative read on Jenny, I am being careful to side with her too soon. Pushing me to be more proactive? Good. Did you miss the part where abuse said his alignment and that he supports lynch all rulers and liars?
On August 27 2014 05:07 Superbia wrote:
In all honesty, I feel like a cop would never soft-claim like this. I also don't think a mafia would ever blatantly soft-claim like this (if it was a soft claim to begin with, would love to hear from MeatComputer)
I already revealed my role so why are you still fishing for a claim when it was an obvious dose of flavour?
Your vote for Breshke was just to get him talking, right? Not following your case on abuse at all. -1
JennyHell
Overall you are being very townie, which I'm sure you could play as either alignment. There is literally nothing I can take a solid read from here. You are moving the conversation which is great, but I don't see you pushing any agenda whether it is for the town or wicked ones. All I see is you trying to protect yourself. I will just have to wait for your MBK towards the end of the day.
lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine
*crickets chirp*
True as it can be
abuse
Would invite you to the ball
MihZaa
Barakos
JennyHell
Kill the beast!
Superbia
Nobody lurks like Gaston
lilwade
gobbledydook
Breshke
Daydreamarine
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Might as well back it up
##Vote: Superbia
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Vote Count – Day 1
Breshke (0): Superbia
Abuse (1): Superbia
Superbia (1): Meatpudding
Not voting (8): Mijales
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Day 1 will end in .
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Lines have been drawn!
Jenny & lilwade, what do you think of MeatPerson's push? How is his behaviour compared to the previous game?
MeatProfessional, you say you agree with my tentative read on Jenny, yet agree with abuse on the following Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
Care to elaborate?
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Also, MeatPencil, would you mind going over my mafia thesis on abuse (post #179) and tell me your thoughts? Especially since he's high in your town circle. Please tell me where and why you disagree. Thanks! 
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It's almost amazing how the newbie games are so much more tryhard than the experienced games. Like, half the guys in World Championship Belt were assholes...
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abuse
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post
1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point:
2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'.
##Vote: abuse
for being scum.
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Vote Count – Day 1
Breshke (0): Superbia
Abuse (2): Superbia, gobbledydook
Superbia (1): Meatpudding
Not voting (7): Cherrypies
Currently, Abuse is set to be lynched with 2 votes.
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Day 1 will end in .
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meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote:
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abuse
Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
[...]
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
[...]
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
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I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
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oh lol the quote syntax failed horribly
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So hears some of my thoughts so far
MihZaaa
His first few posts made me feel uneasy as first he commented on how he thought jenny would change her play style as to avoid being killed during the night as town and then went on to say he likes being a town power role as it is easier to not get yourself lynched. To me this just feels like a bad mindset for the majority of towns people as survival isn’t what most of us should be worried about. I havn't actually been able to get any other reads from everything else he has said
Barakos
I have liked almost everything Barakos has said specifically his answers to abuses questions. Also his mention of the soft cop claim, its day 1 and if that actually really was a soft claim what would be the point of pointing it so I agree fully with him there.
Abuse
This is my top town. Contrary to what some other people think I believe the questions he asked were great. Even though the first two might not give that much information look at how much content it has caused. To build on that if he actually did not purposefully answer them himself to see who would call him out on it I like it even more. He has actively put himself in the spotlight, when no one was really being pushed on, to try and cause discussion and it has worked.
I was hoping to get my thoughts down about jenny, superbia and meatpudding as well but I overslept and have to leave for uni. I should be back in around 4 and a half hours though to finish this off. Sorry for the lack of content and any questions you have for me ill be happy to answer when I get back.
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On August 27 2014 11:26 gobbledydook wrote:abuse
Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post 1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point: 2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'. ##Vote: abusefor being scum.
I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo.
your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
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On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 11:26 gobbledydook wrote:abuse
On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there.
I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them.
Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads.
There has been barely any development at all yet.
I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.
Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
So look at this post 1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point: 2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'. ##Vote: abusefor being scum. I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo. your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
You're not making any sense.
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On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote:
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your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game.
That was what abuse said, not what I said. My stance is, and always has been, that there is enough information to push reads.
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Sorry that posts just needs fixing.
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On August 27 2014 08:55 Superbia wrote:Lines have been drawn! Jenny & lilwade, what do you think of MeatPerson's push? How is his behaviour compared to the previous game? MeatProfessional, you say you agree with my tentative read on Jenny, yet agree with abuse on the following Show nested quote +Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. Care to elaborate?
Sounds like you are saying the same things about Jenny to me. She hasn't actually done anything that would put her in my town circle. She looks like she is trying to defend herself, rather that win the game for town. Not enough for me to give a scum read yet, but she's certainly not confirmed town. If I've missed the point of your question you could clarify.
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meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy
On August 27 2014 08:24 meatpudding wrote:... abuse Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far. Show nested quote +On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:
@ Suburbia,
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I also completely disagree on your rating.
Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses.
Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.
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Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do.
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.
I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up.
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This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good'
It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying.
EBWOP fixed quotes
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