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MihZaaa
Profile Joined August 2014
Romania19 Posts
August 26 2014 15:21 GMT
#141
I guess we'll have to be the ones filling those 30 pages for now.

While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.


I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.

In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles.

I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.

I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well.
MihZaaa
Profile Joined August 2014
Romania19 Posts
August 26 2014 16:17 GMT
#142
Not much to go off of*
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 16:37 GMT
#143
Good afternoon fellow town and most disgustingest scum. This will be humble Superbia's semi-all-encompassing post® #1:


On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote:
Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.


Top town.

On August 26 2014 11:12 meatpudding wrote:
Little town it's a quiet village.
Everyday like the one before.
Little town full of little people, waking up to say.
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!
¡HIJOLE!

On August 26 2014 11:21 lilwade wrote:
LET IT GO, LET IT GOOOOO!




On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote:
Good morning my darlings.
I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about!
You all heard the fairy godmothers!

First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event.
- The flavour text was exquisite. Good job!

Now, to more pressing matters.
Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny?
I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you.


lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?!
On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?

Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with.

May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D


1. This seems pretty fucking hard to go against a typical opening post. Especially weird since you later call out Barakos on his light push on my opening post. What's up Jenny? Not liking this, even though you know meat² and will probably look upon him differently than you would look upon others. -1


On August 26 2014 12:10 meatpudding wrote:
OOC: This is my 3rd mafia game (of all time and here on TL). The other two were The Beginning and Star Trek. I think flavour should be compulsory for princess mafia.

Jenny, you're looking as beautiful as you ever do, morning noon or night. But the evil and wicked ones have assumed the visage of our dearest ones. I will be looking into your heart to find where your true alignment lies.


1. One of the first posts, so I will not attribute too much scum to this, but trying to fixate on petty shit like flavour sounds like scummy garbage to me! What does this accomplish as town? -1

2. Soft claiming cop? Alright. +1

On August 26 2014 12:44 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia: meatpaper is a man with many a names. There are countless and countless of variations to meatphone's name. You just have to pick which one suits you best. Is it meatpouch or is it meatpurge?
It's hard to say exactly what his towngame is, for me, because all that happened was that he was being harassed and had to defend himself. He wasn't very active during the day and I guess a lot of people wanted to go for the "safelynch" so to speak. Sadly enough he was one of the two wagons we had, and he sadly ended up being town. He was put in a very awkward situation with only a couple of hours to try to sway everyone elses votes. He tried to bring up some scummy things other people had done during the day, as his defense, which ended up with him looking as though he was defending both the people on the chopping block. I don't necessarily think, now afterwards, that it was truly intended but it is what it is.
The other guy was lynched and in the night I went through the entire topic again and did some major calculations(1+1=2) and realized that way too many were going on him. He was probably town. I voiced my opinion and was killed during that first night
. First mafia game, first to get killed by mafia.. Rudeness!
I guess I have myself to blame for being too towny. Everyone read me town that game and I had 2 people who was ride or die with me.
I'll let you know though, if anything out of the ordinary, based on what I've seen, shows up in meatpickle's posts. Just like I did with his sudden interest in flavouring it up.

meatproud: Flattery will get you a long way, but not far enough to be my beloved spouse. You will have to work much harder than that.


1. Willingly gives insight into their last game. A person with a wider agenda (e.g. scum) may just have referred me to the thread. However, seems like an easy thing for scum to elaborate on regardless. +0.5

2. Being too towny is almost never a bad thing, in my opinion.

On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote:
I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm.
God save the princesses.


Good for you.

On August 26 2014 13:14 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, oh no, the bold was just me trolling about abuse's name and adding different kinds of abuse in there.. erhm
Expect more of that btw.

The bang marry kill works a bit like this:

Bang - someone you think is town or leaning town, so you'd be willing to engage in a 1 time goodtime, giggity, and then they will have to keep prove themselves if they want to keep getting it.

Marry - This is your number 1. Your top town, the one you are willing to go to the end with. Ofc, like irl you can apply for a divorce should a skeleton come out of the closet. But this is to signify who you want to align yourself with during the game.

Kill - This one should be obv. Everyone who isn't a bang or a marry ends up in this category. If you want to can make a kill list of who should be dead first, and the others will have to lick your dirty boots to get back on your good side.

Hopefully that will make people see now how I do it, and feel free to do it yourselves if you want to.
Also, if you find someone you don't want to hookup with and also don't really feel like killing, I guess you could add a null area for those that do nothing for you. But try to not make that one too large, because it's really difficult for us other townies to discern those kinds of reads.

Gobblegobblegobble, welcome my fair maiden. God will not save us here, we will have to take matters into our own hands and solve this puzzle the best way we know how! Kill people and search their pockets for wicked dust that have turned those ugly faces into a beautiful facade.


Good clarification, even though easy to do, still willing to clarify.

On August 26 2014 13:29 Breshke wrote:
Hello everyone
Lets get down to business, to defeat the mafia. (God that was awful)


Fuck that Superbia guy, this is my new top town!

In all serious seriousness, slight mafia read here (will elaborate on the read if I see a trend). -0.5

On August 26 2014 13:35 JennyHell wrote:
Haha, welcome to the topic, Breshke.
It wasn't awful at all! I didn't read it, I sang it out loud!
Maybe a better word at the end would have been mob? Sort of similar to mafia and only one syllable, so it rolls better off the tongue. Or maybe even better!!! SCUM! To defeat the scuuuum!!


Alright.

On August 26 2014 13:45 Breshke wrote:
hahaha yes scum, that's perfect!
Also I think the Bang, Marry Kill is a great idea. Can't wait to use it.


Can't wait for it either! How about giving us a preview?

On August 26 2014 14:30 Barakos wrote:
Good morning everybody!

And 'Happy Birthday' to our host, if i am not missinterpreting that little birthday-hat right next to your name! ^^

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On August 26 2014 10:22 Superbia wrote:
Scumreading JennyHell and abuse due to evil sounding names.


Funny, that out of all people you call someone out for having an evil name, when it is you, who is using the latin word for 'pride', one of the seven cardinal sins, as your name...

And in the last newbie-game a guy named DCLXVI was a mafia goon... latin numbers... and connected to the devil as well... this can't be a coincidence!


Was waiting for this post! Anyone else paying attention? +1

On August 26 2014 14:51 lilwade wrote:
Jennayyyy I am here! I hope you stick around longer than 1 night this time around. I like your play style, it makes me want to sing. I hope we get some more activity soon, what are your thoughts thus far?


That's up to you, isn't it?! You filthiest of scummiest scum! Alright.

On August 26 2014 15:21 JennyHell wrote:
lilwade, Oh how I hope I will last longer than 1 night this time around! I'm glad you feel the same way.
Singing is awesome! We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains!

My thoughts so far aren't many, but here we go.

1. I hope for more activity! This is painfully slow. But I'm assuming it's odd hours at all places of the world so just hold on nor necessarily super tight, because it's not needed right now, and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory!

2. meatpatty is currently being different than what you and I are used to, lilwade, based on the last game. So I'm keeping my eyes on him.

3. Barakos crashes in and slams a good one on superbia. However, I didn't really like it. I like that he's aware of what happened in the last newbie game, because it shows some sort of interest and effort in wanting enough pre-info to be able to read the game correctly. Which probably also mean he is willing to filter dive us all from previous games, and that can only be a good thing.
Now to the fact that I didn't really like what he said. Superbia was first to post and the startups are always trolly and odd. He made a similar joke as someone else did last newbie game with me and DC being scummy because of our names. Low and behold, it's not something you can read anyone from. Therefore, I don't think that Barakos can nor should read too much in to #1 post made in day 1, nor should he focus on peoples forum handles being scummy. That said, I don't think he is, or at least hope he isn't. Time will tell!


4. Some of you have made me sing already which is lovely.. But let's not make this into a claim-fest because it may out good roles and help hide scum.

5. I also appreciated that Superbia came out and asked what a typical town read on meatpillow would be. I would suggest he filter dives meatpole's previous games to get a better knowledge himself.


1. Agree, but most people will openly agree with this, regardless of alignment. Isn't it easy to say "uhuh, more activity please!"?

2. Good.

3. Already commented on this at an earlier point in this post, scroll up! Also, someone made a joke very similar to mine? I'm a fraud.

4 (or 5?). Maybe at a later point, I'm expecting starting players to change up their game quite a bit over the course of multiple games (as will I, more than likely!).

On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Oh Jenny, I have eyes for you as well. *blush* I'm at school so I should be able to show some activity in a few hours.
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On August 26 2014 15:21 JennyHell wrote:
and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory!

Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.


Wow, get a room you two! Ha ha! Comedy.

On August 26 2014 15:42 JennyHell wrote:
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On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.


I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us...
I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.

You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from.
The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.

Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)


1. I like your confidence Jenny-chan, but I prefer relevant active activity from all people! We haven't had a lot of activity yet.

2. Scummy reference. Careful now!

On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:
Hello people~

I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely.
Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome [spoiler]not really[/spoiler]
Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity..

I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.

I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)

I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -

What alignment did you get?(town or scum)

What were you hoping to get?

What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?


1. Alright.

2. Keeping you to that promise!

3. Don't like this, feels like a preface for possible shitty (i.e. scummy) play. -0.5

4. Ooh! General questions that anyone can ask! I'll answer honestly, honestly!

I got the towniest townie of the town alignment! Good for me, because that's what I wanted as well!

I'm up for lynching any lurkers/inactives so we can tyrannically encourage activity!

I don't like to lynch all liars! Surely townies can get information by lying? I'm expecting townies to lie as well (though I never will, I vehemently promise!). That doesn't exclude lynching people for lying, it simply depends on what kind of lie it was.

On August 26 2014 16:42 Breshke wrote:
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On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:

I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -

What alignment did you get?(town or scum)

What were you hoping to get?

What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?



I am town aligned and it was what i was hoping for. I don't think i would be a fan of Lynch all Lurkers as this is a newbie game and people such as myself find it hard to post unless questions are posed to them. (hopefully i can improve on this) I don't know where i stand on Lynch all liars though.


Uh-oh! -0.5

On August 26 2014 16:42 MihZaaa wrote:
Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we?

So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read.

You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches.

I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though.


1. Alright, I want to address this: being lynched as VT is not a bad thing, it means you've kept the heat off of the town role. No such thing as too townie (though I guess it can depend on your playstyle). Please keep being active and (quite possibly) townie, Jenny!

Furthermore, not sure what to think of this read. It raises a few flags, which I will elaborate on if these damn flags keep showing their flaggy scumfaces! -0.5

2. She didn't scum-read a lot from what I can tell. just a push on meatloaf for something most possibly benign. I do agree with the rest of the post, however.

3. Baaaah!

On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote:
Hello darling, I see you've come in and hit us with some questions. I will approach those soon enough, but let me start with punching you back.

You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.

I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.

Now to your questions, although I can see why someone would make such a play, I'm not a huge fan of it. Too easy for scum to hide. But I'll indulge you. Else you might just hit me again.

I am top town, yay me!

Couldn't care less if I was mafia or town. I like the game in general and don't care which side of the spectrum I am on.

The policies all depend on who fall under those categories. I prefer to try to read people based on what they have given, rather than come out of the bat and just get rid of the stragglers. Some people are bound to do less than others, and it's not necessarily indicative of either a mafia or town alignment.

Killing all liars? You know it's a game of lies a deceit right? And there might be moments where town will have to go out of their way and say things that may not be 100% truthful, in order to save their asses from people being wrong, yeah? Or mafia pushing on them and getting town on the wrong path.

I hope that gave you the insight you were looking for. Again, just to remind you, read day 1 and 2 in the last newbie game.


I like this post!

1. There's a lot of focus on a mafia game that isn't this one! I'm not sure how good this is. How nice of you to direct the abuser to the correct days, though! Very gentleprincessly. +0.5

2. Alright.

3. Most agreeing of agreements.

On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote:
To answer your questions abuse:

Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.

Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you.

I don't like lynch all lurkers, I prefer don't play with the lurker next game. Some times especially in newbie games vt will lurk and mislynching is not worth it just to be righteous.

As to lynch all liars, i do like it when for example when people claim roles to protect the real ones but those are very rare occasions so even though i wouldn't bilindly lynch a liar I sure would keep an eye on him and have him in my scum side.

I'll have to go now for up to 5 hours but I will resume as soon as i get back home.


1. Nothing is better than anything! Or wait! No! Anything is better than nothing! Right?! (Let the princess do his thing, the more interactions the better!)

2. And here I thought I was prideful! Wanting a power role so it's easier not to die during lynches. Preface for garbage excuse during said lynch? -0.5

3. Alright.

4. 85.7% agreement!

On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world!
Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.
I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia!


Alright.

On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote:
Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given.
How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game?
How many do you think you could possibly give?


This push has the Superbia seal of approval®!

On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote:
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On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:
I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys -

What alignment did you get?(town or scum)

What were you hoping to get?

What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies?



Firstly, I am very wary of those who ask general questions, without providing their own answers first. Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.

Of Lynch all Lurkers, this has been invoked on me a couple of times so I have mixed feelings about it. It stands to reason that if there is no solid lynch candidate, to target a lurker on policy. It's always better to try and lynch a wicked one though. The greatest purpose of this policy is to make the scum fearful of lurking.

Lynch all Liars I don't believe in. In my experience, scum have been very careful about what they say to avoid lies and contradictions. Townsfolk will change their reads when they realise they've been tricked. It's a very townie trait to be changing it up as the day goes on. On the other hand, it's important to watch the MBK lists especially from D2 onwards. If you see someone giving a marry or a kill without good reason, chances are they are scum. Votes are the most important thing, if someone votes for a princess who's not on their kill list, be worried.

On August 26 2014 15:42 JennyHell wrote:
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On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones.


I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us...
I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed.

You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from.
The same way it's also easier to read people town that way.

Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!)


No harm Jenny, you played a good game.


1. Alright.

2. Alright.

3. Partial agreement! I don't completely agree with having a public good reason for everyone on the MBK (on a note, I will not use this flavour myself). You might want to obscure your reasons so the person in question does not know what his or her tell is.

Can you be a bit more proactive?

On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote:
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On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote:
You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade.

I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi.


I did not dive into them, I just followed the game as it happened(started following when it was about mid-way), when I wanted to find out how does mafia even happen in a forum environment. I will definitely read the first two days later.

On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote:
To answer your questions abuse:

Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes.


you'd be surprised what you can get from these questions.


Just to be clear - I am a supporter of Lynch all Liars and Lynch all Lurkers, if I do not have a clear scumread on someone by the time it's time to vote.
In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards.
I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD.

Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~



1. Promises, promises.

2. No. Though pushing on this would be your prerogative.

3. Cool.

4. This seems pretty weak in comparison with the earlier part of your post. First you say what you are going to do to liars and lurkers, fair enough. But instead of keeping your post strong and giving possible reads, you then spout some garbage about how you're hoping that everyone will be open and give reads. I'm expecting you to stay strong and give some reads yourself instead of this hopeful garbage.

On August 26 2014 17:09 JennyHell wrote:
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On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote:
Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.


I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.


Alright. Good point on the flavour call. You seem like a person who would find it fun to keep the flavour up. But why does meatmonster want flavourful posts from everyone? Seems like he quit it real quick once it didn't stick (master of poetry).

On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote:
@ meatpudding,

Fair enough -
I am town and was hoping for a town power role.

Waiting for your answer to this also.

As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above.
You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy.
How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.


There is no reason to have this policy. If the lie is alignment indicative, you should be able to make a case strong enough. There is no need to restrict the town with these garbage rules.

On August 26 2014 17:13 meatpudding wrote:
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On August 26 2014 17:09 JennyHell wrote:
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote:
Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on.


I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game.


I agree it is way too early. I'm not objecting to the use of the format, I love it. I think that asking people to give reads so early is meaningless. (Should be obvious)


Alright.

On August 26 2014 17:15 meatpudding wrote:
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On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote:
@ meatpudding,

Fair enough -
I am town and was hoping for a town power role.

Waiting for your answer to this also.

As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above.
You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy.
How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect.


I'm VT and that's the only role I've played before. I like it.

I guess there is a distinction between a lie told on purpose and a change of opinion.


Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage.

On August 26 2014 17:18 meatpudding wrote:
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On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote:
May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D


Upon re-reading I think that is what you were trying to say. I thought that you were asking us to give reads right away.


Cool.

On August 26 2014 19:43 MihZaaa wrote:
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On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote:
Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given.
How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game?
How many do you think you could possibly give?



No, not at all. When i said that you had given plenty of reads for how early it was. The disproportion stemmed from the multitude and length of posts and not from too few reads. Again, this is a minor thing though.


What I would like to see is more from lilwade though. He may be asleep right now because I see he lives in the us but I'm interested in the fact that he asked for reads but ultimately did not contribute. I see that as a little scummy as if he's testing the waters with his toe before putting himself at all in the spotlight. I'll wait 10-12 more hours before I form an opinion based on being lurky. Daydreamarine is in the same boat.

In regards to the kill, bang, marry thing I think i'm in a bang jennyhell spot because I liked your reads and because I think you would have been more reluctant to take the microphone so hard day 1 had you been mafia. I'm too young to get married though.


1. Meh.

2. Alright. Decent, directed reads.

3. You want to bang the only female in the thread? Being sexist is scummy!

On August 26 2014 22:26 abuse wrote:
So.. anyone else have anything to say, or is everyone asleep? :[


Hi!

On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote:
At work, so i will try to post some thoughts... if you have any questions, ask them, i will answer, when i am at home in ~3h

First of, to get this out of the world (at least I hope so):
I didn't mean to attack superbia. I liked the irony and wanted to point it out, because I found it funny. I may be new to forummafia but i wouldn't go as far as calling people scum because of their names. I also could have added some smileys to make the intention behind the post a bit clearer.
For what it's worth: 'Barakos' is a name I took out of a Warhammer Fantasy Battlereport, where the author named his Strigoi-Vampirecount 'Barakos' and i've been using the name ever since, so if you want a 'scummy' name... there you got it.

Hope, that will be all, there is left to say about the name-discussion... now for the important stuff:

On Jenny:
I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:
Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.

Still most towny person at the moment.

On Abuse:
I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you.


And to answer your questions:

My alignment is town, but i kinda hoped i would roll mafia. I absolutely hate playing in the dark, so i would have loved to know, who is friend and who is foe. Now i will have to trust my instincts... god help us all!

Lynching a liar is something that is very situation-dependend... like "Did the person lie to protect a powerrole at night?" vs. "Did sb. fakeclaim a powerrole at daytime to get the real powerrole lynched?".

Lynching the lurkers is something I would only resort to, if I had no better scumread on anybody else, since I think it is a quite weak motiv to lynch somebody and chances are high, the lynchee will flip town. That being said: this is my first forumgame, so I haven't really met any really annoying lurkers. Let's just hope, everybody is active in this game, so we can get solid reads.

On the other ones, that have posted so far:
There is not much I can read out of your posts so far... mostly due to the fact, that there aren't that many posts to read from.


1. Lore!

2. 87.31% agreement!

3. Alright.

4. Let us clasp hands, dear vampire who's name is Barakos! I shall lead you through the darkness! Though.. don't vampires have darkvision? Gotcha, scum!

5. I have agreed too many times already.

6. Alright.

7. Alright.

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:
My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes.

1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little
2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this.
3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.

I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first?
It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.

Is everyone else really sleeping at the moment? we have only done 2 pages of in-game content in the first... many hours, and the previous newbie game had 30 pages in 1 day, let's step it up!
All in all @Barakos, I like what you're saying. Hopefully this level of openness will stick to everyone here.


1. This is too early. Not everyone has answered yet, why reveal this already?

2. Fair, but answer the questions.

3. Alright.

Where the fuck is the promised day 1-2 read from the previous game?!

On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:
Correction - in Day 1, not in 1 Day.


Scumslip! Got'em!

On August 27 2014 00:21 MihZaaa wrote:
I guess we'll have to be the ones filling those 30 pages for now.

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While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.


[u]I feel like that question has more use in a less controlled environment like irl Mafia. Right now it generated answers like "My alignment is town" and I'm vt. Not much to go off. I do like the second question a lot more though. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.

[u]In regards to your answers to your own question. Like, I said I also like being a power role and I said why but you explicitly mentioned that you want it to be a town power role. Can you elaborate why you prefer town power roles.

I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active.

I feel like things will pick up a bit as soon as we can start to get a read on lilwade and daydreamarine as well.


1. Anything is better than nothing, still.

2. Decent push.

3. Meh, that kind of thing can never be confirmed.



Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!

I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle:
- JennyHell
- Barakos

I would like to lynch the following people:
- Breshke
- abuse (borderline)

Also, I would like to see the following:

Everyone:
Town circle with at least 1 person.
Mafia circle with at least 1 person.

daydreamarine:
SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL

lilwade:
SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL

gobbledydook:
SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL

Breshke:
Your promised reads.

abuse:
Your promised previous game read.

That being said, let's get this ball rolling!

##Vote: Breshke

Bresh, so far all you've given is excuses and a promise of reads. Bresh, I want to see your opinions and I want to see you being proactive.
Specifically, what is your opinion on MihZaaa and Barakos?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 16:39 GMT
#144
Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).
Minimal effort.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:29 GMT
#145
Evening, my dears.
Let's have a lil chat, shall we?

I'll start with responding to this:

On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote:
Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).


Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.

Example 1.)
This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.

On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.


As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.

The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.

Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.

The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:35 GMT
#146
On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote:
On Jenny:
I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself:
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On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote:
Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny.

Still most towny person at the moment.


It's healthy to be suspicious of everyone. One should never be treated as a "confirmed" unless they actually are 100% confirmed. At least that's my motto and I try to make everyone adapt the same kind of mindset.

Besides, who wouldn't try to appear town as mafia, amirite?
It's in the basics of the game really, otherwise they may as well just concede and be done with.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 17:37 GMT
#147
On August 27 2014 02:29 JennyHell wrote:
Evening, my dears.
Let's have a lil chat, shall we?

I'll start with responding to this:

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote:
Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post).


Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke.

Example 1.)
This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09.

Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread.


As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents.

The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all.

Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else.

The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it?


Good, that's what I thought, and why you are a fellow townie, for now.
Minimal effort.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:42 GMT
#148
Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".

Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.

Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!

I hope that explains it a bit better.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 17:43 GMT
#149
On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote:
Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".

Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.

Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!

I hope that explains it a bit better.


That's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is for town to win. If dying means that town wins, then you die.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 17:44 GMT
#150
Jenny, since you're around, what's your opinion on lilwade. From what I gather you have played with him before. He has not done anything yet. Is this normal? Also, what other people have you played with before?
Minimal effort.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:51 GMT
#151
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote:
Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!

I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle:
- JennyHell
- Barakos

I would like to lynch the following people:
- Breshke
- abuse (borderline)



I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.

The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse.
Care to explain that?
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:53 GMT
#152
On August 27 2014 02:44 Superbia wrote:
Jenny, since you're around, what's your opinion on lilwade. From what I gather you have played with him before. He has not done anything yet. Is this normal? Also, what other people have you played with before?


People from the last game that is currently playing this game is lilwade, meatpackage and myself.

Last game I read lilwade really scummy because he was just like this. He popped in with a single liner every now and then but nothing really to read him from. I was wrong on him. He turned out to be very valuable for town later on in the game. But his activity was never really high.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 17:55 GMT
#153
On August 27 2014 02:43 Superbia wrote:
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On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote:
Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny".

Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory.

Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play!

I hope that explains it a bit better.


That's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is for town to win. If dying means that town wins, then you die.


But.. But...
There's so many other succulent townies the evil wolfies can chew.

It's like that kids story about the 3 goats. Each and every one of them saying to the troll "oh no no, don't eat me, eat the one after me. He's much bigger and tastier than me."

I guess I'm just as selfish as those goats.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 18:03 GMT
#154
On August 27 2014 02:51 JennyHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote:
Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already!

I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle:
- JennyHell
- Barakos

I would like to lynch the following people:
- Breshke
- abuse (borderline)



I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle.

The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse.
Care to explain that?


Yeah, it doesn't fully correspond to my actual +/- list. I liked MihZaaa's last few posts (he actually contributed, unlike most others) and decided to replace his initial place in my mafia circle with abuse. Furthermore, I had a case lined up against MihZaaa before based on what I thought was a contradiction: it seemed like he was saying he wanted to lynch or at least look at lurkers (post #135), even though he said he didn't like to lynch lurkers (post #125). But on review (triggered by post #141 which he made during the construction my post) it seemed like he was instead withholding his opinion on them until they post something substantial. Due to this revelation, his activity, and the fact that most of my case was based on something which turned out to be a misunderstanding, I decided to keep him neutral for now.
Minimal effort.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
August 26 2014 18:06 GMT
#155
Oh god superbia, what an abomination of a post... no wonder, you have been silent for 12 hours!

Nice you put that much work into the game... although the readability is suffering quite hard... i had to copy your stuff into a extra editor to try and filter it through... maybe next time split it up into several little ones? Pretty please?

But there are three points, I would like to ask you about... first of all our Man of Plenty names...

How do you read what meatpudding said about looking into Jennys heart to see her true alignment as a cop-softclaim?
I mean... I can see how you could come to this conclusion, but to me this all sounds in line with the fluff the whole post was written in. So this seems a little far fetched.
To be honest I find it pretty suspicious to talk people into (soft-)roleclaims before the first End of Day... feels like putting a crosshair on their back for the first night and the last thing I would want to do is make scums job of powerrole-hunting any easier.
Maybe you might want to be a bit more careful with such conclusions?
Unless of course I am missing sth... please guide me through the darkness, good fairy!

Next thing is your vote on Breshke.
While I get, that this vote might simply be a leverage to get him to talk... why exactly him? If I had to vote at this point to get somebody to participate, I would put it on Daydreamarine, gobbledydook or lilwade, since those didn't really post anything.
Breshke at least promised some reads and seeing he is from Australia you got to take the timezones into consideration... maybe he is just asleep and before he went offline, there were not really that many posts you could use to read people.
Same goes for meatpudding.

Last thing would be Mihzaa vs. abuse
Mihzaa scored -1 on your list, while abuse was at -0.5 yet still abuse is on your lynch-list, while Mihzaa isn't.
Is there any read you have not given yet?

And since I got some questions for you, here are the answers to your request:

Towncircle: JennyHell (still in there, although she has been very quiet after her strong start, this judgement might also be a bit influenced by her strong towngame in the earlier mafia)
almost towncircle, but didn't quite make the cut: Superbia
I really liked the effort, you put into your post but after reading it the first time, I found it to be quite empty, since about 66.67% of it are agreements to statements others did, 16.67% are comments like "cool", "get a room", etc... and only the remaining part is your own opinion. But you seem comfortable in your opinion and I am looking forward to your answers.
Mafia: none yet
For me it is too early to have strong mafia-reads but I really need to hear stuff from lilwade, gobbledydook and daydreamarine
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
August 26 2014 18:09 GMT
#156
... my post was too long.
My last question has already been answered, so don't bother doing it again.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 18:17 GMT
#157
On August 27 2014 03:09 Barakos wrote:
... my post was too long.


Ha!

To reiterate for further questions: my public +/- doesn't fully correspond to my private one. Honestly, I spend way too much time in that post and I was getting pretty tired. I don't think I'll do many more of those. The readability sucks in retrospect. The numbers were supposed to correspond to the underlined text, but what usually happened was the entire post would be underlined, because I was responding to every part individually. Oh well.

MihZaaa is currently at -0.5 (he got a +0.5 for some of his reads), abuse is also at -0.5 and Breshke is currently at -1. I don't want to keep giving numbers to everything in public because it's a pain in the ass (I want to mask some of my reads).

Some general questions:
- Is it possible to see who read what post?
- Is it allowed to post links to excel files if you feel like you're going to die?
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
August 26 2014 18:21 GMT
#158
Eh, the soft claim may or may not be true. It just means I probably don't want to lynch him day 1 unless some dirty shit comes up. I also don't really think I'm helping mafia here, it really could mean anything, like you pointed out, but if it eases your mind I'll stop pointing shit like that out.

I don't want to elaborate too much on bresh at the moment until he starts talking.
Minimal effort.
JennyHell
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden259 Posts
August 26 2014 18:25 GMT
#159
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote:
Towncircle: JennyHell (still in there, although she has been very quiet after her strong start, this judgement might also be a bit influenced by her strong towngame in the earlier mafia)


I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia.
How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious.

As further notes, I have a really REALLY messed up sleeping schedule.
I have things to do in the days, like applying for jobs, going to interviews and things. And then I sleep rather early, so I can go up and play games and socialize with americans in the early morning for me.

Last night for example I went to bed at 21:00 my time, woke up at 3:30 and enjoyed my time with americans until around 12:00 where I got ready to go for an interview, came back took a nap, woke up not long ago again and here we are, in the kitchen, looking into the fridge to figure out what to have for dinner before I go to sleep again at around 21-22.

I have an important role as a banshee to perform in the morning together with my fellow d&d players.
Barakos
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany358 Posts
August 26 2014 18:34 GMT
#160
On August 27 2014 03:25 JennyHell wrote:
I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia.
How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious.


I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years.
We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing.
Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am.
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