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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 30 2014 07:12 Barakos wrote: Yes. Reason is given here. Read it and feel free to ask questions about it. It just feels like a complete null to me, but to each his own. | ||
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lilwade
United States136 Posts
that last sentence was "the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On August 30 2014 07:33 lilwade wrote: I missed part of my superbia post. that last sentence was "the more I filter dive you the more I realize the info you are providing has been way off. Is this regarding my day 1 megapost / day 1 abuse push? If there's more people haven't touched on yet, please enlighten me. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 30 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote: Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum? I don't blame you... I feel his vote on you is hasted and uncalled for. But seeing that Jenny and he are the 2 blocked people, chances are high, that abuse was blocked by mafia. So unless mafia used a powerrole at themselfes this confirms abuse as town for now. So I have to filterdive you again to see, if I agree with both of my at the moment confirmed townies or if I find enough to defend you. In case i find enough to defend you I will go over the thesis of mafia blocking themselfes to spread confusion and confirm one of them as town. Since you seem to still have him on your potential scumlist, have you taken into consideration, that abuse was blocked by his scumbuddy? If so, what are your opinions on this? | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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Daydreamarine
Netherlands35 Posts
Are you really sure about your feeling on supberbia? Because I am not. If I am absolutely sure if SuperBeer is Mafia is sth I will think about during my dreams and also reveal tomorrow since there is no need for me to hastily vote now. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Daydreammarine Never lynch this person Bang Abuse As others have pointed out most likely roleblocked by mafia. I don't think mafia roleblock a partner here. During the night they would have still been thinking that there could be a a cop and a doctor and i think trying to block one of these roles would have taken much higher priority than roleblocking a partner just so he could claim it Superbia Sticking to his vote at the end of the day there seems towny to me. People are saying that i seem to follow what other people do and this seems scummy so shouldnt you be reading superbias vote at the end of the day there towny as hell. His vote was on the person who had majority but he was the only one active in the thread at the time. Jenny As stated above Kill MihZaa Barakos, Lilwade (im not avoding putting these two into my reads i just want to think about it more but lilwae is leaning scum and barakos is leaning town at the moment | ||
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abuse
Latvia1926 Posts
On August 30 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote: Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum? This confirms to me that you are scum. Or just not worth keeping around as town. I have posted repeatedly that I do not have time at the moment yet you ask for a full analysis. I already said that I find mihzaa on the scummy side for now, but he does not try to keep framing me at every chance he gets. I also explained why did I vote for you. On August 30 2014 01:04 abuse wrote: ## vote: Superbia as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.) And you KEEP not reading my posts. I have had enough of this really, so unless some other strong wagon with much proof shows up, my vote stays on you. (though, considering the fact that I can only log on for a few minutes in about 3 hours, and then I am gone for a good 24 hours, my vote changing is not likely.) Another reason is, as I already mentioned, the analysis we did with Barakos. It is quite possible in my mind that you are the mafia roleblocker, now that jenny has claimed that she was roleblocked as well, and if she is not lying, and I don't think that she is, then she was 99% jailed, not roleblocked. You are the only one really who would want to roleblock me, most likely, as me dying now would most likely put you up as mafia, and if I am a power-role, then you would be the most interested in me not using my role on you at night. Note for lilwade : you say that I had a rocky start with you and you were reading me really scummy. Why was that and - really? Your posts did not indicate it, when I look through your short ISO. Pls provide an answer for this. Are you really town? | ||
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Just fyi, I've come down with a fever and have spent most of the day sleeping, trying to recover. Will come back later after some more resting and say a few things. But you lot seriously need to pick up the activity. Day2 is a very important day, especially after a mislynch day1. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Your D1: First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"... You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads". The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies. In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone. You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread. Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense. Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier: On August 28 2014 05:21 Superbia wrote: I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment. I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again? This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this: On August 28 2014 05:32 Superbia wrote: I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it. This doesn't add up for me. I know, i gave you several townreads up until now, but looking at it now, with the thought in mind, that my 3 of my most likely town-people (gobbledydook, abuse, daydreamarine; gobbledydook being the hard-confirmed, abuse being 95% confirmed, daydreamarine being 99% confirmed) had/have you on their suspectlist made me reevaluate things. Granted, daydreamarines case is not plausible but still i don't question his intention behind his suspicion. Your way of posting things D1 - the confusing format, the over the top accusation, the partialy offhand retorts to people pointing out flaws in your line of argumentation, you missing things, that should have been important to you and not slipped your eye at the time you posted them, you switching your vote to someone, who had you as a suspect as well - makes you look like you tried to confuse the whole thread more, than you wanted to get a discussion started. Your N1: You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list. You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this. Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this. After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa. You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read. And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1. Then we come into D2. You start it off with this: On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote: Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled? I don't like this post at all... for several reasons. The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier. I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart. So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him. What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it. So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out. What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me. Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time. Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town. So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote: For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself. I have given the idea of a fake-claim by Jenny some thought as well. For me, there is no way of her fakeclaiming... There are severel scenarios: - Jenny is Mafia and therefore knows that abuse was blocked by her team - in this scenario Jenny has either one or two townpeople, who could prove her wrong. Either the Jailer or the cop/medic-duo. There is no way in hell, that mafia would sacrifice themself this early in the game, just to find out powerroles. Jenny would have instantly been called and lynched and her mafiabuddy would be alone. Scum-Jenny is to smart to take such a huge risk this early in the game. - Jenny is vanilla town - again 3 possible people, who would counterclaim her. Again Jailer + Cop/Doc. Her fakeclaim would give away at least one town-powerrole, cause a misslynch and would confuse town totally. Town-Jenny will never do this, as it causes only damage to town and does town no good. - Jenny is Jailer in this case, the person she had blocked would have claimed so. Again her fake-claiming of being blocked will cause confusion, a misslynch, a dead powerrole... no chance, this is possible - Jenny is Doc/Cop and claims being blocked to not give away the real rolesetup. In this scenario the other powerrole could claim that he is cop/doc, again, mafia knows the setup, one powerrole would be out in the open, Jenny would get misslynched because of the claim... There is the chance, that the other townrole would see through this maneuver and stay silent, but I don't think anybody would do this, because it would be too suspicious by Jenny... so this scenario could probably work for her but again - this is not a risk Jenny would take. For me, her claim is confirmed. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count – Day 2 Superbia (1): abuse Not voting (7): JennyHell, lilwade, MihZaaa, Barakos, Breshke, Superbia, Daydreamarine Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched with 1 vote. As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 2 will end in . | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 30 2014 23:15 Breshke wrote: Barakos since you might be around, if you had been there at EoD would you have changed your vote if so on to who? Honestly I don't know. I had a non-townie vibe from what he wrote and I don't want to make a call on how I would have behaved, had I been there the last 1.5 hours. Jenny had a really strong feeling about him not being scum and it is possible, that she could have convinced me to switch but this is all theoretic. This is all an instinct-thing and I can't give any authentic insight on what the last part of the day felt like, cause I reread the pages I missed after i knew, gobbledydook flipped town and therefore knew, what was behind his posts, why he got mad, why he did try to convince people to vote on you. I might have switched, because of Jennys feeling and this might have convinced me. And I can't tell you, where my vote would have ended either, because again... I reread the EoD with the knowledge of gobble being town, and this also might change the way I interpret stuff you all said, because I knew, who was wrong and who wasn't. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Also if you think superbia is mafia, who do you think his partner is? I went and looked back and for how active he has been him and lilwade have had almost no interaction. qith only a quick filter dive into both of them they have never really given a fully fleashed out read on eachother superbia having lilwade as leaning town and lilwade having superbia as neutral. I think if superbia flips mafia lilwade is most likely his partner. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
Lilwade is a good suspect but then again... his activity is so low, that it doesn't come surprising, that he doesn't have a full read on everybody. Speaking of him - he hasn't answered me yet, which is also annoying. How are you supposed to read someone like him? Same goes for MihZaaa, of whom we haven't heard a single word since his answer to my question and his vote on gobbledydook. You to some extend as well, but at least you are here at the moment, trying to make sense out of the game. I also like the fact that you acknowledge, that you might be a wagon today and not flip out like gobble yesterday but stay calm and try to fight the upcoming wagon.It is good, that you think about Jennys motives and also had the idea in mind, that her claim may be false. Even if this is highly unlikely. What's your opinion on this btw? You just brought up the idea but never followed it up? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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