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Okay, I refuse to see this day end like day 1 did.
We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones.
MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3.
Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out.
Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town.
lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town.
abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing.
Anyways, let's form those wagons!
##Vote: MihZaaa
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Vote vote vote people. The sooner you vote so we get an overview the better for town!
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Ok... I am fine with forming a wagon on superbia. MihZaaa has given no content today, so I am not comfortable with voting on him. superbia has enough content for me, to scumread him, which I did.
My reasoning can be found here.
##Vote: Superbia
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I don't like that this will just look like im following someone else's lead again but
##Vote: MihZaaa
Not having posted at all today nor explained your vote on dook atop of me reading you scum the first day doesn't paint you in a good light. Ill be going to bed now but unless something unforeseen happens i will be up 2 and a bit hours before the deadline.
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Barakos I agree that my case against Superbia had a few logical flaws but still I had a gut feeling about the things that stroke me as odd such as Superbia*s one liner about deflecting a kill and my goal was mostly to direct your and other peoples attention on that one liner so you can reevaluate and make up your own opinion.
Or Meatpudding being possibly rolehunted since he was the most vocal opponent of Superbia (although he didnt turn out to be a cop).
I am hoping to see more activity from Mihzaaa and lilwade too since they are harder to read for me than Breshke but I cant really say that they are my prime target for today since I am not gonna blindly vote (yet) on someone who I cant really read.
Anyway I gotta head out to work and will be back a few hours before the voting deadline.
##Vote: Superbia for now unless something else important comes up.
One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get?
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On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote:
##Vote: Superbia
Don't know, how accurate Amiko is with the format, but you might want to bold this for readability.
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On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote:
One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get?
Honestly, you seemed to have no clue what the game was about, so I thought if you were mafia you prob would have no clue about not claiming your name, so I asked to make it easier for me to read you. I really liked your answer and that you didn't out your name. I also loved the fact that you called me scummy for it.
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Vote Count – Day 2
Superbia (3): abuse, Barakos, Daydreamarine
MihZaaa (2): JennyHell, Breshke
Not voting (3): lilwade, MihZaaa, Superbia
Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in .
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lilwade, MihZaa, Superbia
As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1.
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Ok... since there is no input from any of the two buses we will have to do their defending on our own or else we will have a silent End of Day. -.-'
Jenny - have you gone through my case? If so, did you find flaws in it?
You say your feeling is, that superbia is donkey-town, so this concerns me, since your feeling was spoton at the end of D1.
At the same time, can you bring up something more against MihZaaa than "he has done nothing, I don't want questionmarks in the final 3."
I said something similar about gobbledydook and this seems to be not the best reasoning for lynching someone.
At the moment I feel like MihZaa hasn't been talked about at all today (i know, there are some posts, where he was mentioned), due to his absence and this makes him impossible to read for me.
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Barakos - I didn't see any flaws in your logic or the case itself. And the night kill comment was sketchy as fudgecake. But I can't help but see him as a donkey town, excited about his first mafia game and just not knowing what to do to be read as town. I don't know.. maybe I'm just giving him way too much slack and is underestimating him.
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Ok, so about MihZaaaa.
He first had the whole contradict himself thing with first saying that if I got killed as town last game I'd want to not be the same as this game, so I don't get killed. And then followed that post up with a post that stated he didn't think I'd take the mic so strongly on day1 if I was mafia.
Then he said something about abuse's questions that caught my eyes.
It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia.
while I agree that the questions themselves weren't perhaps the best, he came with an idea of how he wanted to find out more about these players he's never played with before and I didn't see it as either scummy nor towny. It was very alignment neutral.
He also at one point said that he's not familiar with the lingo yet because it's his first mafia game, but he uses words like "pocketing" perfectly. Which seems like he's holding back some information/knows more than he's letting off.
The rest he did seems to me rather neutral in alignment, as if he's just trying to skate by. And he still hasn't done a single thing since his vote on Gobble day1.
On August 27 2014 22:32 MihZaaa wrote:
## vote: gobbledydook
As you can see by the timestamp, it was quite some time ago.
I don't feel comfortable leaving such a questionmark, because I'd have no way to read him town.
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I was waiting for others to push on me, so we could get some information on possible scum teams.
Let me address Barakos, because I feel like it is the most complete case on me. If people want to add to his case, let me know:
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:
I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.
Your D1:
First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"...
You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads".
The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies.
I believe I defended my megapost during Jenny's push, in which I stated that I wanted day 1 to progress faster. The megapost was intended to do just that. I'm not going to have a list of solid reads at that point in time, but that's not going to stop me from speculating and reading into things. As such, it's very likely I'm going to misread someone (first part of the first day). How many times have I explained the "private reads" thing already? I didn't want to give away some of my early reads, because they were based on how people acted. I don't want people to start acting differently due to reads I might out, because it makes it more difficult to read them. If I ever have to explain this again I'm going to fucking explode. You don't have to out all your reads on day 1. What kind of answers to the criticisms are you expecting when these are the only correct answers I can give?
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone.
How many times have I reacted to this already... I missed one of his answers because his answers were divided into two posts.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread. Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense. Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier: Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 05:21 Superbia wrote:
I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment. I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again?
I followed up on abuse's case, and there were more interactions between abuse and myself on which you hadn't commented yet. Since you and MeatPython were the only ones interacting with the case (besides abuse and myself, of course), I wanted both your updated opinions.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this: Show nested quote +On August 28 2014 05:32 Superbia wrote:
I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it. This doesn't add up for me.
I think I've been the most proactive in the entire game with relation to scumhunting and gaining information.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Your N1:
You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list.
After my sleep on night 1, I re-evaluated everyone by filterdiving them. Specifically in relation to the absent on EoD1 and votes during EoD1. I gave a general overview of everything I found important, and then summed it up with a final opinion on what I think we should do with them during day 2.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this.
I was hoping to catch someone who was usually active during the deadline time of day, but wasn't during EoD1. I posted it so no one else had to do it. I didn't follow it up because I didn't get a read off it. I posted it because it was relevant information. Time zones aren't really that relevant, personal time zones more so.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this.
After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa.
You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read.
And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.
Nagging on people that were absent? You're god damn right. At least 2 town provided an easy way for mafia to hide and do nothing during EoD1, the most crucial part of the day from which you can get a lot of information. I've already said that I live in the world in which at least 1 mafia was inactive during night 1. I'm asking people questions about others to test the waters regarding certain mafia couples. Specifically, I wanted your final position on MihZaaa, which again, I've explained before.
On August 30 2014 20:02 Barakos wrote:Then we come into D2. You start it off with this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:
Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled? I don't like this post at all... for several reasons. The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier. I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart. So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him. What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it. So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out. What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.
I'll just say it at this point, because it didn't work, it was a play. Two of your reads are correct on this post, it's meant to taunt mafia and be annoying (specifically towards mafia). I was hoping one of the higher-rated towns (e.g. Jenny or yourself) would pick up on it and mirror it to be more annoying towards mafia. It's meant to bait out mafia to become agitated and justify the(/their) lynch (indirectly, most likely). Notice the missdirection during EoN1 also acts as a prelude. Provided, it doesn't have a high chance of success, but it doesn't take up any time.
On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time.
Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.
So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.
I don't like to accept the "I can't interact with you" line. Besides, I can still ask questions and he can answer them later as far as I care. I'm not going to push someone for ignoring things I ask, else I would probably have to start pushing on everyone.
Here's my fear for tonight:
MihZaaa doesn't show up -> we don't lynch him because lynching lurkers is a big risk -> he takes the free warning and shows up on day 3.
Can we get a wagon other than me? I would like to have higher chances of killing scum.
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Can we also stop wasting my time by pushing on subjects which I've already defended or if you do, address my related defense and say why you don't like it/don't agree. I'm getting pretty tired of having to repeat myself.
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First of all:
When I said you missread posts, I don't blame you for drawing wrong conclusions on people by calling them scum/town for the wrong reasons. This are things, that are bound to happen in this game, since everybody has a different way of interpreting stuff, what i meant is, that you just didn't read a post thoroughly enough so that your mistakes don't result in you missinterpreting, but in you not actually reading the post right. Kind of, what happened to me with the "I like" vs. "I 'd like"; only in a much bigger scale.
You miss one of my main points.
I am not pushing you on your private reads or on your offhand answers and things one by one...
What I am saying is, that they all add up and up and up.
Your day 1 posts as a whole paint a are trollish and distracting picture. (I don't know how to express this any better.)
And I don't deny, that you gathered informations at day 1. I question your motives.
On the MihZaaa-Topic and your request. You gave exactly the explanation, that I offered you, after calling you out.
This is something that is missing in my original case. I didn't find your answer to it, at the moment I was writing it and forgot about it, when proofreading it. Sloppy work by me. -.-'
I don't want to go over your whole defense any further, since we don't have the most time left and we would go back and forth over details.
Just know, that my general impression of you is, that you don't pay the needed amount of attention, because I got the impression you missed several posts. For now I think, this is, because you are not too concerned if your cases are as accurate, as they can be.
But whatever. You are here, this is good. Let's get work done. I don't want to miss this lynch again.
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There's enough time left for you to go over the rest of my defense and decide whether I'm a good wagon today. We have 5 1/2 hours left. I'm going to finish my dinner and dive Bresh to decide whether my vote will be on him or MihZaaa.
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Barakos, why do you feel there's not need to respond to the rest of my defense but still keep your vote on me? If you're going to vote on me, isn't it important for you to get as much information as you can on the defendant, to ensure it's not a miss lynch?
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I have read it all already and I hear what you say.
I wanted to make my point clear about the first part, since I don't want you to get mad.
It's up to you, to dicide, if you want to discuss this with me up unto the last detail.
I gave you my opinion on you and this is where i stand after reading all of your defense. If we find someone more suitable to be mafia, I will switch this vote.
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On August 31 2014 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Barakos, why do you feel there's not need to respond to the rest of my defense but still keep your vote on me? If you're going to vote on me, isn't it important for you to get as much information as you can on the defendant, to ensure it's not a miss lynch?
Yes it is. But you said you are looking for other buses and while we still got time, it is limited. So - up to you, to decide. Chances are, you find a more promising lynch, which would do you more good, than argueing with me about some details, since my opinion still stands.
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I do want to discuss it up unto the last detail, because I want a bigger chance of actually lynching mafia. Me being a wagon does not increase our chances.
Only the first part of my day 1 posts are somewhat trollish. I become serious as soon as my mega-post is over. Some of my side-commentary may be seen as trollish, because it can sarcastic. But my reads are not ambiguous. They are not sarcastic. I substantiate my reads.
They don't all add up and up and up. There's only my megapost and some sub-material (as explained above). Nobody agrees on my push on abuse (seemingly, excepting dook and MihZaaa), but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop interacting with him. If MihZaaa also flips town (and I die), please take a serious look at abuse. Nobody seemed to support me besides those two. I believe scum would support me in some way, especially since they seemingly blocked abuse last night. If MihZaaa flips scum, I think I'll be happy with adding abuse to my towncircle for day 3.
I'm going to dive on Breshke now to see which one I'll vote for.
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