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On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game.
Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum).
In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
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On August 30 2014 00:13 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game. Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum). In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched.
Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3.
Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed.
Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
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I'm hoping we get a mafia today, so that it's better for town. The MyLo I was thinking of in my previous post was when there's 4 people and 1 mafia. Derpderp. I see now how weird that comment was I made.
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On August 30 2014 00:19 JennyHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 00:13 Superbia wrote:On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote:On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game. Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum). In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched. Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3. Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing.
That seems a bit different from outing a role, but fair enough. I see this happening, I really dislike abuse's easy switch on MihZaaa. He seemed to like him on day 1, which would suggest to me that would have a preference in pushing on Breshke, but he doesn't. Instead he just joins in on the easy 2.
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Just dropping by to tell you, that I'll be here for an other ~20 minutes and after that go to the statium to watch a footballgame... will be back at ~22:30, i guess.
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Well... let's turn this mess into something productive, since I don't think you are scum I will try to work with you.
If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse?
Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse?
What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them?
Read your questions about 20 minutes ago and reevaluating my own notes since you bring up questions that I also asked myself.
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Hiya,
Stopped by for a little bit, skimmed through the posts again.
Prime candidate for lynching at the moment is Superbia. Again.
After I have, again, said that I will be inactive for a while, he again ignores it. Asks for a "complete read" on mihzaa and starts his accusations again, based on.. again - nothing. (dislike the easy switch on mihzaaa.) - it is not an easy switch. I read others' cases on him and it made sense. Also, changing your mind can always be easy. Especially if your previous read was based on day1 information.
Also, boosting my thoughts on this is the conversation I had with Barakos at the early part of the day.
@ Jenny,
If you were also blocked, then there are definitely 2 blockers. There is no need for a mafia roleblocker to expose such critical information, just to find out if there is a jailbreaker involved. I am 99% sure that you got put in jail, and I got blocked by a roleblocker. This makes the theory that Superbia did it(what we discussed with Barakos) more likely.
For now -
## vote: Superbia
as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.)
Good luck town.
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So you have 3 people in your scumlist which are all not me, but you push on me because I have my doubts on you? Can you please explain how I'm a prime candidate again? When was I another prime candidate? And why didn't you push on me back then?
Can you also tell me what exactly convinced you on MihZaaa?
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Vote Count – Day 2
Superbia (1): abuse
Not voting (7): JennyHell, lilwade, MihZaaa, Barakos, Breshke, Superbia, Daydreamarine
Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched with 1 vote.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in .
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Well... let's turn this mess into something productive, since I don't think you are scum I will try to work with you.
If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse?
I can imagine it being one of the three lurkers Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade since they stayed away from the thread for quite some time. I am really curious to see what their votes will be and what they think of the latest theory crafting.
I think it is only Superbia trying to frame abuse since it started with Sb accusing Abuse because of his “evil” name and then he just kept attacking abuse with small sentences saying for example that he does not use reads to determine who is town, while abuse was mostly defending himself and questioning Sb about the sense of his rating system and the fact that nobody had given reads on all players at that point.
I do not see how this conversation with partly not working quote system was planned in advance.
Another possibility that I had in mind when I reread the beginning posts only, was that Superbia hastily calls scum on Jenny, so Jenny can introduce herself, negate the scum claim, provide her reads of the players she knows and later establish herself as Superbia`s partner.
But after a while I recognized that it is highly unlikely Mafia would choose such a complex setup in a Newbie game giving reads on each other back and forth while posting big walls of text and Jenny providing on top of that a lot of good general guidelines. That is also one of the reasons I did not mention yet that she is town for me right now.
Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse?
No I would not, at least not the reads from their initial discussion since abuse seemed mostly trying to defend himself against all the statements thrown his way by Superbia, especially in the earlier part of their debate (that I agree with some others were made a bit hastly).
What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them?
Breshke seems innocent to me since he agrees with some of the cases that are mentioned by really analytical players like Jenny (e.g. the Dook BM case) and does not do too much to defend himself when he is attacked (I Am Town). Although he tried to solve the Dook case by asking questions and was not a complete sheep in this situation because of this. He does not seem like a really aggressive player. If he would be Mafia at all, maybe he would be acting more as a support character with a special power so that he can block people without being noted.
At the moment I read him as town since it is his first game too. I might be completely wrong though and mistake his meta game for inexperience. I think I underestimate the value of good coaches (if there are players who rely on their help) that could give valuable insight and make Mafia players appear more innocent then they are.
I still have to analyze the posted content of MihZaaa and lilwade but will post my findings shortly.
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Sorry guys I was in El Paso all day today I am gonna try to get a reads list before I go to class a lot has happened that we need to discuss more.
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This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts?
And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
At least you are back to life, lilwade... you still owe me an answer.
And thanks for your further analysis, daydreamarine.
With your case and abuses case on superbia him there are two (for me) confirmed townies having a case on superbia. After I pointed out your flaws in your line of thought and what i think was a missunderstanding on your side. Are you really sure about your feeling on supberbia? Because I am not.
So ask yourself, are you really sure enough about superbia to have him potentially lynched at the end of this day?
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Barakos, I've given most of my reads so far, I really would like to hear from some new people. If not I propose we push on MihZaaa and force him to make an appearance.
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Lets get down to it
Marry - Daydreammarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town.
Bang-
Jenny - I really really want to marry you but something I was reading while going through your filter made me hold off, in short it was because you were doing something you told us all we shouldnt I do. I dont want to explain further because I feel you are still strongly town.
Barakos - Everyone has had you in their town circle and I dont necessarily disagree I just think that we need to examine everyone with the same perspective as others. Not what makes you town but what seems scummy.
Abuse - you started off pretty rocky with me, I read you really scummy early on with your super defensiveness and in newbie mafia that is usually a good tell, however I think I have seen enough from you to let you pass today.
Neutral
Superbia - A lot of people disagree with your playstyle but I actually read you as town early on, but the more I filter dive you the more I realize that the info you are provided
Scum
MihZaaa - being as he hasnt posted anything since my last read I think that justifying him here would be me reiterating myself
Breshke - I do not think I have agreed with you at all lately and I need to go through and read everything from your point of view.
I know that I have not actually provided quotes to back up my post here, I plan to give full reads with information backing up how I feel but today has just been nonstop and I have class now. I am very sorry I can't do this now.
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You feel Marine is a confirmed townie?
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On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote:
Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out.
Jenny, you quoted this as well and later in your post said, that telling that you have been blocked would give away the rolesetup, since there is only one possibility of 2 blockers and you hesitated, cause it would give scum information they might not have.
What are your thoughts on Breshke asking for potential others blocks?
To me this makes him look worse than before.
Breshke: The explanation you give in your post on the votechanging is logical in itself but again you don't really do things on your own, you only follow lilwades example. This looks bad to me, since you again sheep someone and use others to explain your decisions. You don't take responsibility for your own actions and I dislike this.
What were your motives behind asking for other blocked people? I feel they were not genuine.
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On August 30 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote:
You feel Marine is a confirmed townie?
Yes. Reason is given here.
Read it and feel free to ask questions about it.
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@Barakos what question were you referring to? I re read everything and you directed nothing except why I switched in the night phase.
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On August 30 2014 07:18 lilwade wrote:
@Barakos what question were you referring to? I re read everything and you directed nothing except why I switched in the night phase.
This part here remains still unanswered.
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On August 30 2014 06:50 Barakos wrote:
This is brilliant... I return after 6 hours and there is a grand total of 5 posts?
And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really?
Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum?
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