EPT[W] Newbie LVIII - Disney Princess Mafia - Page 37
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
NIGHT 2 The flavor on this post was accidentally deleted... sorry. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P5WhVrp.jpg) Summary: The princesses had a dance, MihZaa did not dance, they suspected she was wicked and she was not. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9jKJNzX.png) MihZaaa (Eilowny, the Heroic and Slender-Necked (Vanilla Town)) was banished/lynched Day 2! lilwade has been warned for failing to vote. Night 2 will end in . Ensure that you submit your night actions! You are encouraged to send a PM to all three hosts/cohosts to ensure the night actions are properly resolved. | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
See you in a few hours. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On August 31 2014 10:13 Superbia wrote: Let's hope for PR magic. We need it. This | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Daydreamarine
Netherlands35 Posts
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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 31 2014 10:13 Superbia wrote: Let's hope for PR magic. We need it. I 100% agree. Cross our fingers and hope. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
As I said last night, I did some digging into lilwade. I still think, we need to discuss, what happend yesterday, I still want to get this out as soon as possible. lilwade: You came in with some questions to random people that I felt were to search for possible points where you could attack townfolk and get a misslynch going. In this first post, you missed several posts. For example my criticism on superbias post or my reservations about abuse. I already stated, that I disliked him D1, yet you still asked about my thoughts. So you didn't read all the posts before writing your post... asked general questions and even asked things, that already have been answered only two hours before you made your entrance. If you acutally had payed attention, you would have known this. So why did you actually ask me about superbias case again? Did you want to draw attention to it, cause you liked the fact, that it was pretty confusing? Then came the night. You went into the night with having MihZaaa as your hardest scumread, because MihZaaas gave a one line reason to vote for gobble, when mihzaaa actually had two posts regarding gobble out of which his vote makes some sense. gobbles retreat was, what triggered his vote, after he pointed out, that gobble came into the thread and just jumped on the actual trend. MihZaaas vote does make sense, again, you just failed to read the thread. Then the next day, you fail to give a complete answer to my question, why you jumped back and forth... I followed up and you only answered after I reminded you of my post... Again you missed a post... again you leave the impression, that you don't actually read the thread but just hop in and out of it as you please. Then on D2 you come into the thread and post "Marry - Daydreamarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town." Daydreamarine jumps from being absolutely unreadable to top town for his activitys? For which of them? For his case on superbia, which is flawed as hell or for his general reads on me and jenny, which brought no real new insight? Or maybe you just read, that I had him as confirmed town but didn't bother with my reasoning, because as I said... Daydreamarine is one of the top towns. But not for his activity, but mostly for missunderstanding rules. Or maybe - and this is, what I didn't notice up until now - maybe it is, what daydreamarine reads into meatpuddings activity, which is that meatpudding reads superbia as scum and wanted to copcheck him and therefore dies. Totally aside, that daydreamarines logic here is flawed again... but you know, what meatpuddings last words were, before he died? "lilwade is my top scum." You basically liked what daydreamarine said, because he failed to see, that meatpudding read you as top scum and had you on his scumlist almost the entire game. I got sidetracked as hell by Daydreamarine saying, superbia was one of the people, that meatpudding hat on his scumlist, but you were on meatpuddings scumlist the entire time. He even had you as his top scum. This is a possible answer to the question, why meatpudding died, I have missed the entire time, although it was right out there. So lilwade. You still owe me an answer to my question about you switch back to MihZaaa. And you need to defend yourself. Get active! | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
I feel like most of the blame has to be put on me. To give you my reasoning: Me feelings during the night changed from superbia being almost definitly scum at the beginning and when I made my case more to the way Jenny felt about him. His defense was reasonable, his cases on lilwade and breshke made sense but were too weak, to form another wagon, which he realised. In my eyes mafia would have taken any chance to form another wagon, to raise the chances of them not being hit, so him not trying to push through his weak cases gave me town-vibes from him. After that we talked through some stuff and I again got the feeling, that he didn't want to sidetrack me but more or less try to get some final thoughts out of his head, so we would have more to work on, in case of him dieing. At the end of the night, my scumread on him was pretty weak and I had to make the call, with whom I would rather continue playing... the player I had a scumread on or the player, that was pretty much nonexistant. (In hindsight: Shouldn't he have been given a warning, for not posting at night, and then be modkilled for not posting on the following day?) I still feel, in this moment it was the right. I just hate the results. And what I forgot in my frustration about the latest events: Rest in piece, MihZaaa | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
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Daydreamarine
Netherlands35 Posts
"I still feel, in this moment it was the right call." Me too since not voting gives one an unfair advantage. + Show Spoiler + that I was actually ashamed at the beginning of the game since I believed I was too naive at the beginning of the game to even play it and accidentally gain an advantage, but after D1 I read some guides and got more confident But not voting and not posting gives an even greater advantage since players can hardly read you when you dont post much. What I noticed is that if two people should have died in Night 1 (assuming a Mafia roleblocker can also kill someone) that means Jenny should have died in Night 1, but she did not thus she is confirmed town (I highly doubt she is lying about being jailed, her outing seemed too genuine and sophisticated) and we have one more townie whose information should be trusted (I dont include myself, think for yourself + Show Spoiler + reverse psychology Last night I did some game analysis and tried to see the game from the perspective of a jailkeeper and Mafia. I came to the conclusion that the Jailkeeper and Mafia (obviously) have more information then the rest of the players and the Jailkeeper must have seen the obvious fake claim by Superbia. Especially after this move was mentioned by Barakos as a valid tactic while the other players still had to come to the conclusion that there are even Jailkeepers (since most of the players are really new and dont immediately see that unlike Superbia). That is maybe while Jenny and Superbia said that roles should not out. Later though Superbia suggests: If we're MyLo tomorrow, roles should out, agreed? At the very least bulletproof. contradicting his statement that roles are not allowed to out.He knows that it is forbidden to out roles (you can ask fo one fake claim via PM as powerrole), but still requests to change the rules of the game, so he can have an easier time by disqualifying enemies who fell for this request? Why else would he want that roles out, or do you just see it as another newbie mistake to make such a request? Also what caught my attention is that when Superbia is the only one trolling and taunting (he only uses swear words when he wants to provoke Mafia or other players) why does he expect others to mirror him and join in, if it is obviously not their playstyle? To me ist also makes sense that lilwade wants to get an advantage by not voting/not posting much so other people have a hard time reading him, but lets hear what lilwayne has to say about it. @Superbia I do not expect you to defend yourself against my statement that you fake claimed (since I could be wrong and you already defended yourself against it) but feel free to comment on my questions about your request to out roles since I have my theory but want to be proved wrong. | ||
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Daydreamarine
Netherlands35 Posts
Then on D2 you come into the thread and post "Marry - Daydreamarine after his day 2 activity I think it is undeniable this guy is top town." Daydreamarine jumps from being absolutely unreadable to top town for his activitys? For which of them? Especially this question  . | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
On August 31 2014 22:19 Daydreamarine wrote: What I noticed is that if two people should have died in Night 1 (assuming a Mafia roleblocker can also kill someone) that means Jenny should have died in Night 1, but she did not thus she is confirmed town (I highly doubt she is lying about being jailed, her outing seemed too genuine and sophisticated) and we have one more townie whose information should be trusted This isn't possible, since mafia can only kill one per night. "The mafia-killpower is allways 1" doesn't mean, that all mafia can shoot 1 person per night, but mafia kills 1 person. So Jenny is by no means confirmed. All we know is, that our Jailer thought, Jenny was the best bet to block and protect. Since meatpudding was shot night 1, this means Jenny was not targeted by mafia night 1. So Jenny is by no means confirmed town. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
This would be a claim, that everybody can make. It doesn't have to be true or false, but it's a tactic. What you are not allowed to do is give out the exact wording of your role-pm. Also the option, to ask amiko for a fake-roleclaim is for mafia-players only, i guess, since they are not given the name of disney-princesses but the names of disney-villains. So they need a valid princess-name, in case they want to fakeclaim. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
And also note: Claiming you are Role XYZ is perfectly legal. You don't get disqualified for doing this. See the claim-rules on page 1, points 5,10 and 11. | ||
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