Newbie Mini Mafia LVI

On May 30 2014 01:38 IAmRobik wrote:

New to TL...but can also be new to mafia.

On May 30 2014 01:59 Amiko wrote:


I think it works for either, the playstyles here can be a little different from playstyles on video mafia or some other sites, and having a coach is pretty great :D

On May 30 2014 02:01 Alakaslam wrote:
I know tkotc. I don't think he would require coaching much but yep, free to /in the /innus should he desire

On May 31 2014 15:26 kushm4sta wrote:
dont do it koc

On June 17 2014 12:16 The_Templar wrote:
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats

Only my vote counts because capitalization.

On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:


Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/

On June 21 2014 21:03 HaruRH wrote:


Just an exaggeration of the situation
But it is not that far fetched, people did get modkilled and they posted around the same amount as you did.

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:

I don't like this.

On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:


How DO you play town? Let's talk!

Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?

On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?

On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
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Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:


So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.

I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.

On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:


My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.




I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing.

On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:


I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject?

On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:


So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends.

On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:
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My reads so far: (also TLDR)

-Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok.
-No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day.
-Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

I have come to two conclusions:

-Cats is my best guess at this point for scum.
-I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis.

On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?

Great point on mafia getting modkilled.

On June 22 2014 07:30 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

Teemu has said he's likely to vote me or meatpudding today, he's given reasons why he's likely to vote for one of us today. What do you think of his reasons?

And why are you leaning town on Templar?

On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!

im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages

current reads:

THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.

King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.

Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.

Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.

meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.

Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.

Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.


for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.

##VOTE: TheKingOfCats

On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:

It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm.

As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys.

I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town.

AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE



That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it,

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkien

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord Tolkien

The filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play.


At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active.

On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.


Jabberwockzerg-




My instinct tells me an inexperienced person trying to back his Mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much at the moment - and maybe defending too early - not enough to say honestly.

On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:


I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1.

On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM.

On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!

im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages

current reads:

THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.

King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.

Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.

Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.

meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.

Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.

Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.


for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.

##VOTE: TheKingOfCats

On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:

I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day.

On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads:

On Nydus's:
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On MysteryMeat's:
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I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big.

On Templar's:

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On Tolkien's (and about Lurking)
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On Haru's:

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On Epishade's:
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On Teemu's:

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On Scott's:

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On meatpudding's:

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On Haru's (again)

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On Templar's (again):
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Phew, that took long!

Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.
So...

##Vote: meatpudding

On June 23 2014 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:
@TheKingOfCats Yes, quoting some of them.



This is what appeared the most scummy for me even if it was an introduction. I'll repeat what I said in my first post:
"TheKingOfCats has a suspicious way of introducing himself while saying that he was considered best town twice. It seems like he was trying to set up an "atmosphere" so when he starts to reveal his reads on possible scummys people might think he is doing it right, as he was considered best town anywhere else and, so, he might be town again this time. Kind of a scummy way to blend in town."

Then this:



You're saying that you should be more active this game because you're town, and that you were quiet before because you didn't know how to play scum yet. It seems that you were arguing that now that you know how to play scum, you will be more active as how you act as when you are town. And what do you do next? Becomes active, but asking vague questions.
Like the following:

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These, for me, looks so much like someone who is trying to cover his mafia play by saying he can't play scum at all because he stays quiet, then starts being active to justify his town, when he probably isn't.
And I don't remember who tried to cover you who I had slight scumread on him atm, it sounded like this person was trying to cover you, that's what gave me more feelings that you're mafia.
That's it

On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

On June 23 2014 09:19 Epishade wrote:

Oh hey, just realized you were talking about me.

I don't really think it's that scummy to post my filter imo. I had briefly skimmed through the thread before I posted (and planned on reading more-in depth afterwards) and saw that Templar had posted his past mafia experience, so I figured that that would be a good thing to add. I figured it wouldn't hurt, giving people more information to form their own opinions on me. I see your point that you might think that I'd want people to look at my past town behavior so I could replicate that this game and trick them though. I can really only say that that's not what I meant by including that.

I'd put you in my town pile for now, MightyMeat. One thing I wouldn't expect a mafia to do would be to spot that 2 people had both mentioned past game experience and draw a connection between them this early. Usually I think that mafia would be content to lynch just about anybody D1 without caring about forming a connection, as that can always be done easier later when lynches and night shots have been made. The fact that you made that connection puts you in town for me. That seems like something a town would be actively looking for, while a scum probably wouldn't be.

I've seen a bunch of people posting about Cats so far. I'm gonna look at that next I suppose.

On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

On June 23 2014 10:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
whats OMGUSing?

On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:


Cats, curious for your opinion.

Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?

On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be

Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.

King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.

The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.

Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.

Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.

Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.

Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.

HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.

Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.

in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia)

On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you.

On June 23 2014 11:32 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
why is that scummy jabberwock? Like if i was town i wouldn't vote on hobbitus, if i was mafia i'd probably shoot her in the night

On June 23 2014 11:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
at king, that was a formating error in the list.

Town:
Scott
Teemu
Nydus
Haruh (leaning)
epishade (fenced)

Mafia
Cats
Tolkien
(Templar, glowing, jabber)

On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?

Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?

What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?

Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?

On June 23 2014 11:40 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
its inconsitant in the sense that he is trying to push scum on me for not reading everything. or posting everything. He got mad that i pushed on him when i didn't push on tolkien. And it was more of a sarcastic remark on not reading everything.

On June 23 2014 11:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i've given you two pages to look at jabberwock, or did you miss that all completely. Me stating my reads on one person is not going to sway everyone in town, to not vote on me.

On June 23 2014 11:47 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
the one where he tells people how to play blue roles, i think its pretty scummy, and that he is just fishing for roles.

On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?

Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy?

What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien?

Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy?

On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:

I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached.

It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people.

This thread has gotten really, really weird.

On June 23 2014 12:13 The_Templar wrote:

They're not masons. Tolkien instigated most of the train on MM

On June 23 2014 12:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
the potential scenario, is that i called out cats for lynching regardless of alignment while tolkien was more of a lynch for lurking. Cats is pissed off that i mentioned him but not tolkien. Either this was careless, which he doesn't think so, or there could be a potential link between tolkien and i.

On June 23 2014 12:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
people wouldn't see it now, as you are clearly one of the leaders of the lynch on me today. But atm when i posted my thoughts and people called out the inconsitancy, my first thought would be that there is a relationship between us since i didn't call you out and only threw scum on cats.

On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:


Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.

On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz

On June 23 2014 12:59 Hobbitus wrote:


I just thought the bolded bit was worth noting.

On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.

if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.

ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right.

On June 23 2014 22:44 Teemursu wrote:


Just noticed this. What the heck?

On June 23 2014 22:56 Teemursu wrote:
KotC, I need you to read my posts and give your reads on them, please.

I'm heading off from work now. I'll be home in one to two hours depending how much I sideroad by getting some food or dropping by my local game store to play some MtG.

On June 23 2014 23:07 meatpudding wrote:

Good point. However I could suggest that he was trying to make you look like scum. He was getting behind the push for MM, so when he flipped you look suspicious. If you or I are lynched D2 then they have another mislynch.

On June 23 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:


Since you're here now kotc, can you reply some of my questions?

1) There was a seemingly pre-emptive defence on your cases before MM flip. Why?

2) If you thought he was town, why push then? If you thought he was scum, why the defense?

3) Explain your previous post again I don't get it.

On June 23 2014 23:47 HaruRH wrote:



1)These 2 bolded quotes doesn't seem to agree with one another. So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. Or almost like you knew it would happen anyway.

2)^

3)

On June 24 2014 08:00 Hobbitus wrote:


Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's.

After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation





I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch.

On June 24 2014 08:21 Hobbitus wrote:


You both seemed scummy to me and I was trying to figure out your position in the MM vote if you were scum. In retrospect, I should have realized MM flipping town was more likely.

On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:


This post was a response to Templar:



But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.

On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:


Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum?



This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them?

On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:


That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me.



I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being.

If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious).

@Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?

On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.

##Vote: HaruRH

Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.

I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.

Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.

On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.

Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.

Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.

That's all I have for now.

On June 24 2014 12:19 meatpudding wrote:


That was my very first post of suspicion of Teemu. Because the game had just started I thought he seemed too quick to make reads. When he said his push on me had allowed him to make a townie read on Templar, I had the thought that Teemu might be trying to cover Templar each other so I posted it. I didn't see the reason to lean town on either of them at that point. I was also suspicious that Teemu might be trying to make false reads to lead the flow of conversation early. I think Teemu's very early scum read on me and very early town read on Templar were indicative of an agenda.

I never said lynching me would help him blend in. Just that a lynch would be less suspicious than using KP.
I would like to ask, if I were lynched and flip town, do you think that would implicate Teemu as scum?

On June 24 2014 14:13 meatpudding wrote:
@Cats
I was trying to say that if I was called correctly on Teemu, they wouldn't want me pushing it in case it gained momentum. So lynching me would be ok. It's not that the lynch itself would make him look more town, I meant that minus my read on him, he would likely be considered town by most.

Who would you like to investigate more this day?

On June 24 2014 18:55 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm alive and soon to be posting.

As you guys can imagine, I'm pretty surprised that Tolkien died in the night, lol.

Anyways, I would still appreciate people to look at my analysis on Day 1. I agree with Tolkien that it's kind of frustrating that I didn't have any real time interactions with people during MM1's lynch. It annoys me a little bit that half of day 1's content came from the last 8 hours of playtime (the time when I sleep too). I hope people will be more active throughout the the coming days and not only when I sleep, haha.

I'm still kind of exhausted from going through all of day 1 (especially since no one is posting reads about it), but I'll try to gather up some info and try to re-evaluate now since Tolkien apparently flipped town.



Why does this matter? What kind of information are you trying to gather from this question?

I'll be posting some soon. First, some video mafia.

On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.

The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.

There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.

His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats

His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)

Fence reads:
Nydus

Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples

So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.

He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.

Night all.

On June 24 2014 21:33 Teemursu wrote:
Eh,

I've played for about three months and get around three games a week on average.

This is my first forum mafia game.

As was said before though, you should probably evaluate my contribution as though I haven't played video mafia before.

I dislike greatly asking from people on video, if they're a new player or not, since people generally will make a lot of wrong reads based on that information.

On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote:
From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?

Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?

I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours.

On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:


As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.



I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.

On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:


When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list.

Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully.

On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:


My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.




I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing.

On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:
I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this.

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LordTolkien: Town
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HaruRH: Town
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I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on.

I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially.

I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy.

##Vote: MysteryMeat1

On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:


Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop.

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I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future.

On June 25 2014 09:33 NydusHerMain wrote:

Basically, my thought process was that the way he was OMGUSing at that point was towny because people seemed to be jumping on him for no reason including you. However, that was coming from a point of misinformation. I just assumed that you jumped on him because he said so in his post. After rereading, I realized you didn't even give a null read, you gave no read on him. That was part of my surprise. It made me feel like he was being defensive for no reason, especially since one of the people that he said gave him a scum read didn't even talk about him. That made me think he was leaning scum.

I found it really weird that before that post, there were two people saying "This guy is trying to lynch me!" and "This guy gave a fence read on you." You gave no read at all, and I felt like the read you should've been questioning was "This guy is trying to lynch me" because that was a read completely blown out of proportion. I felt like your questioning there was completely unnatural and it felt like you were defending meatpudding by going on Teemu.


I have no defense for this. At the time, there were two people up for consideration for lynches being MeatPudding and MysterMeat1 and at the time, MysteryMeat1 was a little scummier for me.

On June 25 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:


I'm a dog person so giving him way cooler names. If it really bugs him I won't but seemed like a fun thing to do.

On June 25 2014 10:34 NydusHerMain wrote:


TheKingOfScum

On June 25 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

So are you saying that you initially read my post as jumping on him for no reason and after rereading it realized that that wasn't what i was doing or are you saying that you missed my post completely and read it after you posted your initial read on meatpudding?

Also he never said that i scumread him.

Ok, if we ignore the fact that the main reason you gave for thinking MM was scum is observably false was there anything else about his play that struck you as scummy?

Also do you have any reasons to think me or Templar could be scum other than weak or non-existent reasons that are tied to one of your townreads flipping red?