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scott31337 (2): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
scott31337 (2): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar All other players have yet to vote. Currently scott31337 is set to be lynched. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote: Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien You don't think scott is scum? Why not? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Edit: I didn't read Tolkien's post entirely. He says that he'd rather lynch a lurker… which, since there is no solid scum read day 1, is acceptable. Note he also went for scott instead of someone that didn't post (pointless response is worse than no response in this case)… which is why I think tolkien thinks he could easily be scum. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell. I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 22 2014 11:40 HaruRH wrote: Jwz? Epishade? Glowingbear? By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell. I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy. Why would you lynch those 3? They have done nothing suspicious yet, while scott has. Scott may be a convenience for Tolkien, explaining his sudden appearance and lynch vote. It is more likely that you haven't read most of Tolkien's posts. On June 22 2014 08:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: Teemu has however been the main driver of the conversation. More (relevant) posts=good for town. It's my initial impression from someone who hasn't played with him, but he's as solid of a read as I have currently. Scott's post about modkilling (just saw that) continues the trend of non-contribution, yes. On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Cut some unimportant parts of the last post out. He explained pretty thoroughly why he's doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's important to post something over nothing, but Scott hasn't actually posted anything. Scott's 'important' posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote: I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote: So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote: Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right? Great point on mafia getting modkilled. On June 22 2014 09:49 scott31337 wrote: Interesting bandwagon to start with - I'm often more passive and observant then talking a lot out of my ass - It's just how I am in real life. The reason I personally see Templar as town so far is his reads on the others, and for his informative reads, someone we wouldn't out just yet. Looks like I need to read more and get more experience, to be honest. "I like this and I agree with you" "I have no leads. Being talkative can be bad. Templar seems town, anyone who hasn't posted might be scum." "Arguments are good, I like a point you made." "Interesting that you vote me. I still think Templar is town so far. I need to do more." And… he hasn't done any more. That will continue, whether he's mafia or town, most likely; therefore, he's pretty useless. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On June 22 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote: Why would you lynch those 3? They have done nothing suspicious yet, while scott has. Scott may be a convenience for Tolkien, explaining his sudden appearance and lynch vote. It is more likely that you haven't read most of Tolkien's posts. Cut some unimportant parts of the last post out. He explained pretty thoroughly why he's doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's important to post something over nothing, but Scott hasn't actually posted anything. Scott's 'important' posts: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote: I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote: So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote: Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right? Great point on mafia getting modkilled. On June 22 2014 09:49 scott31337 wrote: Interesting bandwagon to start with - I'm often more passive and observant then talking a lot out of my ass - It's just how I am in real life. The reason I personally see Templar as town so far is his reads on the others, and for his informative reads, someone we wouldn't out just yet. Looks like I need to read more and get more experience, to be honest. "I like this and I agree with you" "I have no leads. Being talkative can be bad. Templar seems town, anyone who hasn't posted might be scum." "Arguments are good, I like a point you made." "Interesting that you vote me. I still think Templar is town so far. I need to do more." And… he hasn't done any more. That will continue, whether he's mafia or town, most likely; therefore, he's pretty useless. It's alright if both you and tolkien is okay with lynching unproductive lurkers. I'll just propose an alternative tolkien wagon. | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (2): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar Lord Tolkien (1): HaruRH Not voting (-): Everyone else Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched with 2 votes. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! Day 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)). | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote: Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien If you have a solid scum read, ABSOLUTELY. Put together a case, and get them lynched, there is no excuse not to if you're town. However, absent any serious push onto a person, there's nothing to go on. You can't put together a case WITHOUT people talking and posting. If no one talks, or just makes useless posts=no one can put together a case or get good reads=useless day lynches=mafia wins with night kills. There was plenty to talk about (and there's even more to talk about now, ty HaruRH). As I noted previously, I didn't have a solid read for scum thus far into Day 1. Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. I am perfectly willing to change my vote from Scott, as we have plenty of time during the day for him to prove he's 1) not scum and able to contribute, 2) for a a credible scum case and bandwagon to be put forward. Absent either of that, I'm leaving my vote here for now. As for Epishade and the others who HAVEN'T posted a single thing, they're either getting modkilled, or have no choice but to post and vote. Again, I can change my vote last minute, but town seriously needs to TALK MOAR. Which your push onto me should leave no excuses for. So ty, this is all I ask for atm. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote: Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play. Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote: I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point. @Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 22 2014 12:47 Teemursu wrote: ##Vote Meatpudding Not sure about formatting? this formatting should be fine, but it's [b]##Vote: meatpudding[/b] Personally I don't agree completely with the vote, as I've expressed, but I'm going to bed now. See you all later. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote: I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon. Don't rush, we have 24 hours. >.> | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
edit: by this, I mean actually read it, don't skim it. Not really necessary to skim since we have so much time. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess. As for introduction, Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game. Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. | ||
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote: Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer. I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess. As for introduction, Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game. Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? | ||
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