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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 05 2014 18:55 GMT
#2481
On July 06 2014 03:36 Blazinghand wrote:
I did some great work coaching if anyone wants to read about what we talked about.

Blazinghand Coaching NydusHerMain http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/KunfPNcGy8K
Blazinghand Coaching MysteryMeat1 http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/rrFXBgfvddwE
Blazinghand Coaching Epishade http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/RY7usYmxjwvy

Much props to my students for making effective use of me as a coaching resource!


ROFL that sick burn

Our QT was so many pages long omg
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
July 05 2014 20:21 GMT
#2482
I think that it was an excellent choice of slams to use an all vt setup. I think it was inspired a bit from tambo's fake vig claim.
It was really entertaining to watch. GJ town, GG!
Imaginary
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
July 05 2014 20:43 GMT
#2483
On July 06 2014 05:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I think that it was an excellent choice of Blazinghand to use an all vt setup. I think it was inspired a bit from tambo's fake vig claim.
It was really entertaining to watch. GJ town, GG!

Stop giving undue glory
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-05 22:08:17
July 05 2014 22:04 GMT
#2484
More co-host thoughts:





Coaching-Related Notes
In newbie games the use of coaches really varies. I always tended to try to talk with my coaches a lot, even to just share some of my current thoughts.
It’s up to players if they want to reveal their coach QT, but I’ll state that the coach usage was relatively low. Partly this is because of modkills & replacements (replacements had more experience, so didn’t have coaches).
As a co-host, I really enjoyed skimming Glowingbear’s CoachQT with Iamperfection. I don’t feel any of the coaches were bad (most players didn’t use their coaches much, if at all) but I give Iamperfection particular credit because (1) his coaching immediately encouraged his players to see vanilla town as a powerful role for town, and (2) he gave really thought-provoking answers without tying them into the game at all . To be more player-focused, I really felt GlowingBear’s play evolved a lot once Iamperfection asked open-ended questions like “What would be a scum mindset?” and helped think explain the idea as:

town mindset- Lynch Scum

Scum mindset- Dont get lynched


In this game, the mafia had a lot of presence on Day 1. Most players seemed to feel the scum players were towny – even the exceptions like meatpudding didn’t seem likely to push to lynch any mafia players as suspects. I really felt that this shift from GlowingBear (along with suspicions from GlowingBear and Epishade) was vital to build enough of a consensus to start lynching into the scumteam.

I don't say this as criticism of the players at all, but I'd really encourage you guys to engage your coaches when possible! You won't get direct answers, but sometimes they'll help you analyze some things in the game you might not have thought to analyze.





Some Scumslips
I wasn't actively looking for scumslips, but I there were two things that caught my eye:

- Haru on Meatpudding
I mentioned above that coaches can help you analyze things you might not have thought about. I felt the players in this game did not really attempt to analyze Haru's cop claim. People didn't seem to look to consider whether the people he checked made sense, or whether he seemed to act in accordance with the only check he obtained.
So, Haru claimed to have copchecked meatpudding as green on Night 2.
But on day 3, he lists meatpudding in his top scumreads.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=86#1719


- The_Templar on jabberwockzerg
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=84#1666
This is arguably not a scumslip. But, The_Templar justifies putting jabberwockzerg as scummy because “Jabber has been more scummy recently” on page 84. The last time jabber had talked was on page 67 – he really hadn’t done anything recently, scummy or not. This isn’t as much of a direct red flag (maybe jabber is more scummy because he hasn’t been talking?) but it really looked like a fabricated read to me.


GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 05 2014 22:46 GMT
#2485
On July 06 2014 07:04 Amiko wrote:
More co-host thoughts:





Coaching-Related Notes
In newbie games the use of coaches really varies. I always tended to try to talk with my coaches a lot, even to just share some of my current thoughts.
It’s up to players if they want to reveal their coach QT, but I’ll state that the coach usage was relatively low. Partly this is because of modkills & replacements (replacements had more experience, so didn’t have coaches).
As a co-host, I really enjoyed skimming Glowingbear’s CoachQT with Iamperfection. I don’t feel any of the coaches were bad (most players didn’t use their coaches much, if at all) but I give Iamperfection particular credit because (1) his coaching immediately encouraged his players to see vanilla town as a powerful role for town, and (2) he gave really thought-provoking answers without tying them into the game at all . To be more player-focused, I really felt GlowingBear’s play evolved a lot once Iamperfection asked open-ended questions like “What would be a scum mindset?” and helped think explain the idea as:

Show nested quote +
town mindset- Lynch Scum

Scum mindset- Dont get lynched


In this game, the mafia had a lot of presence on Day 1. Most players seemed to feel the scum players were towny – even the exceptions like meatpudding didn’t seem likely to push to lynch any mafia players as suspects. I really felt that this shift from GlowingBear (along with suspicions from GlowingBear and Epishade) was vital to build enough of a consensus to start lynching into the scumteam.

I don't say this as criticism of the players at all, but I'd really encourage you guys to engage your coaches when possible! You won't get direct answers, but sometimes they'll help you analyze some things in the game you might not have thought to analyze.





Some Scumslips
I wasn't actively looking for scumslips, but I there were two things that caught my eye:

- Haru on Meatpudding
I mentioned above that coaches can help you analyze things you might not have thought about. I felt the players in this game did not really attempt to analyze Haru's cop claim. People didn't seem to look to consider whether the people he checked made sense, or whether he seemed to act in accordance with the only check he obtained.
So, Haru claimed to have copchecked meatpudding as green on Night 2.
But on day 3, he lists meatpudding in his top scumreads.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=86#1719


- The_Templar on jabberwockzerg
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=84#1666
This is arguably not a scumslip. But, The_Templar justifies putting jabberwockzerg as scummy because “Jabber has been more scummy recently” on page 84. The last time jabber had talked was on page 67 – he really hadn’t done anything recently, scummy or not. This isn’t as much of a direct red flag (maybe jabber is more scummy because he hasn’t been talking?) but it really looked like a fabricated read to me.




If you'd like to check it: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GZTRE9im68RMt

That was completely true, Amiko. I was feeling completely lost when the game begun. Then this mindest post from perfection made me analyze filters from another POV. That insight was the one who caused my reads to flip, Haru. Following that insight, Templar started looking suspicious to me. You and Teemu also but I felt you were contributing more than other people, and I just didn't like the idea of Teemu being scum. You know, he called me "adorable". I was flattered

And for the #1 point Amiko told about Iamperfection, this is one of his posts when I asked if I should try to misread someone as blue at n1 so mafia would waste a shot:

"so your definitely overvaluing a blue role over just being a good townie. I dont think you realize just how powerful a simple vt can be.

Look at it this way as how i think it would appear to me if you did something like that. I would probably think you are blue fishing and might be therefore more likely to be scum. how does that help town? Plus you have to weigh it against the potential gain. You doing an act that could potentially hurt your standing with the town on the off chance that maybe the mafia will shoot someone you think isnt blue which could be potentially wrong anyways? Doesn't sound like a winning play to me."
I'm adorable.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
July 05 2014 22:59 GMT
#2486
On July 06 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2014 07:04 Amiko wrote:
More co-host thoughts:





Coaching-Related Notes
In newbie games the use of coaches really varies. I always tended to try to talk with my coaches a lot, even to just share some of my current thoughts.
It’s up to players if they want to reveal their coach QT, but I’ll state that the coach usage was relatively low. Partly this is because of modkills & replacements (replacements had more experience, so didn’t have coaches).
As a co-host, I really enjoyed skimming Glowingbear’s CoachQT with Iamperfection. I don’t feel any of the coaches were bad (most players didn’t use their coaches much, if at all) but I give Iamperfection particular credit because (1) his coaching immediately encouraged his players to see vanilla town as a powerful role for town, and (2) he gave really thought-provoking answers without tying them into the game at all . To be more player-focused, I really felt GlowingBear’s play evolved a lot once Iamperfection asked open-ended questions like “What would be a scum mindset?” and helped think explain the idea as:

town mindset- Lynch Scum

Scum mindset- Dont get lynched


In this game, the mafia had a lot of presence on Day 1. Most players seemed to feel the scum players were towny – even the exceptions like meatpudding didn’t seem likely to push to lynch any mafia players as suspects. I really felt that this shift from GlowingBear (along with suspicions from GlowingBear and Epishade) was vital to build enough of a consensus to start lynching into the scumteam.

I don't say this as criticism of the players at all, but I'd really encourage you guys to engage your coaches when possible! You won't get direct answers, but sometimes they'll help you analyze some things in the game you might not have thought to analyze.





Some Scumslips
I wasn't actively looking for scumslips, but I there were two things that caught my eye:

- Haru on Meatpudding
I mentioned above that coaches can help you analyze things you might not have thought about. I felt the players in this game did not really attempt to analyze Haru's cop claim. People didn't seem to look to consider whether the people he checked made sense, or whether he seemed to act in accordance with the only check he obtained.
So, Haru claimed to have copchecked meatpudding as green on Night 2.
But on day 3, he lists meatpudding in his top scumreads.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=86#1719


- The_Templar on jabberwockzerg
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=84#1666
This is arguably not a scumslip. But, The_Templar justifies putting jabberwockzerg as scummy because “Jabber has been more scummy recently” on page 84. The last time jabber had talked was on page 67 – he really hadn’t done anything recently, scummy or not. This isn’t as much of a direct red flag (maybe jabber is more scummy because he hasn’t been talking?) but it really looked like a fabricated read to me.




If you'd like to check it: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GZTRE9im68RMt

That was completely true, Amiko. I was feeling completely lost when the game begun. Then this mindest post from perfection made me analyze filters from another POV. That insight was the one who caused my reads to flip, Haru. Following that insight, Templar started looking suspicious to me. You and Teemu also but I felt you were contributing more than other people, and I just didn't like the idea of Teemu being scum. You know, he called me "adorable". I was flattered

And for the #1 point Amiko told about Iamperfection, this is one of his posts when I asked if I should try to misread someone as blue at n1 so mafia would waste a shot:

"so your definitely overvaluing a blue role over just being a good townie. I dont think you realize just how powerful a simple vt can be.

Look at it this way as how i think it would appear to me if you did something like that. I would probably think you are blue fishing and might be therefore more likely to be scum. how does that help town? Plus you have to weigh it against the potential gain. You doing an act that could potentially hurt your standing with the town on the off chance that maybe the mafia will shoot someone you think isnt blue which could be potentially wrong anyways? Doesn't sound like a winning play to me."

That's why I considered pushing you when you mentioned it.
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Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 06 2014 00:03 GMT
#2487
First game ever subbing in and I had a lot of fun with it. My reads were pretty bad and I was impressed with the scum teams ability to have a large filter in a forum game with little experience, that is a hard thing for lots of people to do and not getting caught for 3 days was really well played!

I need to read the scum QT but I'm wondering if Haru had the Cop claim ready or was just forced into it by the EoD action which to me was a lot of fun. I'd like to know what the new players thought of the last hour on day 3!

Also I'd like to apologize for the troll on day 4 I wrongly thought it was a misslynch and couldn't do anything about it... glad i was wrong!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
July 06 2014 00:04 GMT
#2488
My coach QT.
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/TSRguXMypYZ

Tragically cut short.


And yes, I'll emphasize the point that VT is powerful. As I said D1, blues should not be lurking for fear that their power is important, and VTs have no excuse. :s
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
July 06 2014 02:40 GMT
#2489
Thanks Iamperfection for coaching. I didn't use my QT that much either http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/vFdbUTGWgbWL. I was just enjoying the game and trying not to lynch myself instead of scum. GG.
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