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On June 27 2014 11:40 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that? I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town.
Do you think I would do something scummy such as that if I was good at arguing my opinions, considering I've shown I have enough of a spine to form my own and use them?
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Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is.
My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you.
How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant?
I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing.
I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry.
If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted?
And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to.
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On June 27 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Can you please update your list you've sent to tehpoofter?
Or only post your top town and top scum reads ATM.
Teemursu
meatpudding
I'm filter diving a lot and it is exhausting. Jesus.
Please do as I say before night ends, please
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On June 27 2014 11:56 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is. Show nested quote + My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant? Show nested quote + I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing. Show nested quote + I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted? And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to.
I didn't initially vote him primarily because of the MM/scott post. I voted him because he didn't post at all despite being the main focus of the town at the time, which happened to be directly related to the scott post.
When I say stuff, I express my thoughts, hit post (I do not carefully consider my posts) and then I usually realize that I didn't clarify something, so I go back and check it.
Sorry for being hostile. This is the first time in a forum game that I've been pressured (never happened in TL+ game) so I lashed out a bit more than I intended.
I don't like being asked questions about my thoughts about other people, but I'm ok with being asked questions about myself. It just caught me off-guard.
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On June 27 2014 11:41 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:13 Teemursu wrote:
I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis. Can you find it for me? I'm still reading in the mid sixties, which I missed completely.
I'll find it a bit later, starting video mafia currently.
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On June 27 2014 11:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Can you please update your list you've sent to tehpoofter?
Or only post your top town and top scum reads ATM.
Teemursu
meatpudding
I'm filter diving a lot and it is exhausting. Jesus. Please do as I say before night ends, please
My list hasn't changed a whole lot (besides nydus being removed). Mtam is obviously further down because he's been doing a lot of questionable stuff.
More town on top, more scum on bottom (this applies to everyone on my list)
The_Templar
KOTC
Hobbitus
Tehpoofter*
Epishade*
GlowingBear, Haru*
Teemu*
mtamburini
Meatpudding*
Jabberwockzerg
Tehpoofter: Seems to be generally pro-town, is organized. Want to see more out of him before I make a real decision about him. Haven't read his filter very thoroughly so I might be misreading this one.
Epishade: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Haru: His argument with mtam is weird. Not sure how to interpret it.
Teemu: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently.
Meatpudding: He's where he was previously because I haven't read his filter recently, except Jabber has been more scummy recently.
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Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm)
HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer)
Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details)
GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night)
Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against)
Epishade-scum (see post)
mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum)
The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night)
Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3:
-why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him)
-take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie.
-possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid
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Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town?
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I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
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I'm off to bed.
Hobbitus I think you're a little fast to straight-up call me scum considering you only started considering it a few hours ago. Although that may just be because you didn't specify how scum/town anyone was (which is what is really being asked for, so please clarify)
goodnight
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Day 3
TheKingOfTheCats, a Yeoman, disappeared!
There was no trace
Things are looking serious!
Make sure to vote within the next 48!
I am hoping amiko will make an accurate countdown at some point because I have to get up very early and I am using mobile
Good luck and enjoy!
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Day 3 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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***BREAKING NEWS***
Jabberwockzerg was called to a neighboring vessel for a family emergency. Although this confirms his Crewmember status, he cannot assist with his vote and is one less member of the suspicious quadrant...
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##Vote: The_Templar
I'm so going after you, man.
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;-; This is so bad. Posted my major thoughts in case of night kill, can explain them tmrw. Now bed.
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