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On June 27 2014 09:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:05 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
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Fun fact: neither was Templar?
If you want to examine us both D3, go ahead. Probably should try a new tactic, talk about people who haven't been talked about much.
I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having. I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game. He also wasnt voted on day 1
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Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all.
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On June 27 2014 09:50 Hobbitus wrote:
Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all.
Yeah but Templar has been memorable for me where as you have not. I also said I would pressure Templar and I have been thus far.
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Then ask away.
What are your thoughts on Templar, also? I am starting to read him as scum.
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On June 27 2014 09:06 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:02 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:00 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else. are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315 I wasnt in the thread at that point in the game calm your tits. Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean, but you really should have read at least the past few pages to catch up on what was going on, you've had nearly 24 hours now… >.> Meh Id rather play on from where I am and see how people are going to interact with me now and how people are reacting to me applying pressure. If I feel like Im in a situation where I need to go look back at day 1 I will, Id like to see the night results first just to see how my reads are as of right now.
I said replacing in I was goign to reread but it feels cumbersome to take on the task.
So you think a night kill is going to confirm your reads one way or the other?
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On June 27 2014 10:09 Hobbitus wrote:
Then ask away.
What are your thoughts on Templar, also? I am starting to read him as scum.
Why is Templar scummy to you or just starting to be?
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Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
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On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
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On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
Admitting this makes me worried. There's a huge problem in this. That's what I wanted to know about Hobbitus when I asked poof filtering him, but it turns out that it came out as a read on you. Gonna filter dive you after dinner.
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On June 27 2014 10:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:06 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 09:02 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:00 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 07:55 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:37 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 06:26 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 06:24 mtamburini wrote:
Tehpoofter are you evaluating my play based on this game, previous tl games together, or video mafia ? I would use all three with a priority of 1) This game 2) previous game on tl and then 3) video. You've been town in all the TL games I've played with you correct? Yes and I still am nothings changed. Well except me going super aggro when I hopped in here. You've only seen me do that in video mafia. Usually your reasons are good. I gotta admit that editing post thing seemed pretty dumb. Also your predecessors rage quit was silly. I need to fully catchup before I give a full read on you though. I really really really dont understand the need for editing a post if your town. Its a personal thing. Im not sure how I would be feeling about Nydus now if I choose to go after Teemu first. Hes participating a lot and giving me something to read him. Going into tomorrow I think the Templar needs to be looked at as well as the people who voted on Teemu. Templar hasnt given me an explanation on his vote on Jabber yet so I want to hear his reasoning, and well the people who voted on the person who I think is the most town right now for obvious reasons (I think he is town). More specifically I would like to know what they thought of Teemu when they voted and why the voted on him over anyone else. are you fucking kidding me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=66#1315 I wasnt in the thread at that point in the game calm your tits. Sorry, sorry, didn't mean to come off as mean, but you really should have read at least the past few pages to catch up on what was going on, you've had nearly 24 hours now… >.> Meh Id rather play on from where I am and see how people are going to interact with me now and how people are reacting to me applying pressure. If I feel like Im in a situation where I need to go look back at day 1 I will, Id like to see the night results first just to see how my reads are as of right now. I said replacing in I was goign to reread but it feels cumbersome to take on the task. So you think a night kill is going to confirm your reads one way or the other?
Its more of if my scum read dies not if someone I think is town.
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So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM.
Then, after MM was being weird MM:
On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious.
On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.
This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him
On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now.
So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below:
On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list.
He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1.
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On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all.
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On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all.
What exactly do you mean by that?
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I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis.
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MeatPudding: I'm still reading KotC as town. Just because he voted on Nydus doesn't make him scum. Nydus was still a decent vote and I've expressed my opinion about that.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes.
Since the votes were so spread out, I really can't speculate where the mafia voted. I'm going off on my reads so I'm pressuring MeatPudding and Epishade tomorrow.
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On June 27 2014 10:50 Hobbitus wrote:So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM. Then, after MM was being weird MM: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town... I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat. This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now. So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
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jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list. He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1.
Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is.
Before I switched from MysteryMeat to meatpudding, I had no way to figure out which of the meats was more likely to be scum, so I pressured MysteryMeat, who was actually starting to show up and post not-very-amazing stuff at that point. He did something- anything useful at all was what I was looking for!- and read his most likely scum, so I decided he could be useful to the town later on if he was town, and I switched back to meatpudding. Yes, this is not the best reason in the world.
In addition, I had a strong town read on Lord Tolkien for most of the day and sided with him when I voted for MysteryMeat, yes a bit irrationally, but I wasn't entirely sure about anything at that point. In addition to the pressure capability it had on Meat, it was a more useful vote than meatpudding, which was just sitting there on a very sudden wagon (that, since then, has not really developed).
Once he starts throwing logic out of the window, I realize that he might not be useful in any pressured scenario (this is the end of the first day and he's already going crazy?) and mentally put my vote back onto him in case his arguments continued to deteriorate, which they did.
I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing.
And I had was already mentally voting for MM where you say I immediately agreed with you. I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry. My thoughts changed quite a bit because MysteryMeat's post pattern changed quite a bit. Around this time, he refused to give a read despite being asked about something that could be considered controversial, so I decided I would sit and wait to see if he was going to go over the edge or if he was about to explain why he didn't want to explain. "Deal with it" is not a good explanation.
Finally, I'm sorry that I am not incredibly intransigent like you seem to want me to be. Simply command it and I will be as unbending and inflexible as possible, sticking to my initial lynch targets until the end of time and refusing to consider other points of view that weren't initially obvious, just so that I can look town to you.
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On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that?
I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town.
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On June 27 2014 11:13 Teemursu wrote:
I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis.
Can you find it for me? I'm still reading in the mid sixties, which I missed completely.
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Can you please update your list you've sent to tehpoofter?
Or only post your top town and top scum reads ATM.
Teemursu
meatpudding
I'm filter diving a lot and it is exhausting. Jesus.
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On June 23 2014 20:57 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
HaruRH
NydusHerMain
LEANING TOWN:
Jabber
Templar
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
NULL:
Solar424
BlondeMocha
Scott31337
FENCE:
Epishade
LEANING SCUM / SCUM:
Tolkien
Cats
MeatPudding
On June 25 2014 06:15 Teemursu wrote:
HaruRH
Templar,
KotC
NydusHerMain
MeatPudding
GlowingBear
fuck your formatting
On June 25 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
Anyways, welcome to the game Tehpoofter & Mtamburini.
How are you guys reading MeatPudding, KotC and myself?
I'm starting to be willing to ignore whatever MP posts from now on, since his logic is starting to make less and less sense.
KotC is actually starting to sound reasonable, I'm starting to consider even putting him off from my vote list. I like his pressure on MeatPudding.
On June 25 2014 07:42 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably  I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum. With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions. Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet? His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now.
On June 27 2014 11:19 Teemursu wrote:MeatPudding: I'm still reading KotC as town. Just because he voted on Nydus doesn't make him scum. Nydus was still a decent vote and I've expressed my opinion about that. + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. Since the votes were so spread out, I really can't speculate where the mafia voted. I'm going off on my reads so I'm pressuring MeatPudding and Epishade tomorrow.
So, just to be clear, you switched your read on Cats from scum to town because he was asking me questions?
Do you have an updated read on Haruhi?
Since the votes were spread out, do you think there is a good chance mafia had one vote on Epishade?
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