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meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
June 24 2014 03:50 GMT
#921
Templar why do you think Tolkien should go after me D2, and not, for example, Cats?
I don't think it would be weird if he decided to go after someone else if he had a good reason.
Be excellent to each other.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 24 2014 03:50 GMT
#922

On June 23 2014 13:02 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I will probably be going to sleep/doing other shit after the flips. I've sunk way too much time into this today. One note:

REMEMBER GUYS, talk and post at night. Obv don't talk about stupid shit like WHO'S BLUE, or WHO SHOULD COP CHECK/MEDIC PROTECT/CAPTAIN PLANET SMASH? But talking at night is something that town should absolutely still be doing.

I'll do what I did in my past newbie games and post a comprehensive night analysis post just as it's about to end.

This was completely ignored by GlowingBear (more on that tomorrow if he does anything else scummy). However, I look forwards to the mentioned analysis post, which will probably confirm my town read on him along with this:


I think you're being too hard on a mistake I've made. I've said before I'm having a hard time keeping up all information and this post by Lord Tolkien is and example of it. Still, I can't see why this would result in a scumread instead of a wowwhatastupidguyread.

I'll explain myself better after the end of the night.
I'm adorable.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 24 2014 04:00 GMT
#923
Overall, I don't believe there's much to say or predict over this lynch without a night kill to inform it. The proper D2 lynch case to be continued will be meatpudding, but tunneling in onto a single lynch without finding at least one alternate scummy candidate would be a bad idea D2. meatpudding is absolutely a fine candidate, but I think we can glean enough info from the D1 lynch, plus whatever NK comes up, to put forward SEVERAL cases instead of tunneling on just one. Multiple active cases, as long as town consolidates towards the end of the game, is good, since we can explore more avenues and evaluate more potential scum.

So tonight I'm just going to give as many reads as I can before the flip, particularly on people I don't feel will be in the spotlight D2.


Epishade

Can you give us some solid reads you have on people currently? While you are posting content, I haven't seen a solid stance on anyone yet. What are your impressions of me, Cats, and meatpudding?

I feel he's leaning town, but I'm no longer as sure as I was.


Nydus

Has been giving reads sporadically, but he really hasn't been in the mix of things. Very uninvolved. I would very much like him to post some more D2, and give us some insight as to who else he thinks are town, and how the fallout of D1/N1 influences his reads. No read ATM on him.


GlowingBear

DONT speculate about green or blue roles. You probably realized, but DO. NOT. Additonally, if your reads are mostly null, just don't post those reads on a D1 list.

Can someone else review his filter and give me his impressions? I'm trying to decide if I should dismiss the contradictions in his two main reads post D1 as drunken newbieness or not. After MM1, I not going to jump him for it, but I'm definitely going to watch him closely.



jabberwocky

First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy?

I realized I forgot to answer this one. And rereading it, that part is rather confusing, but also ties into my read of jabber.

At the time, Jabber's reads changed erratically, from liking meatpudding to voting on him (when saying she'd be more comfortable with a vote on me), to saying she liked Cat not jumping on a bandwagon to being "on the fence" with him.

Now that she had said this:
Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again
is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on?

among other clarifications, I'm fairly satisfied with it. My current read of jabber, pending further posts, is tentatively leaning town. Her vote on MysteryMeat1 was pretty easily justified, since he kept refusing to give a read of her despite repeated requests.

As for the experience thing, I was more concerned as to why Teemu didn't seem to respond immediately to it. Nydus quoted and agreed with it after it was posted, and Teemu was online but skipped that post (indeed, he quoted one of her later posts instead of touching on the issue of Scott), coming back to it after video mafia. Again, time constraints probably, but it was curious for me that he missed it. Probably nothing, but I'm having a frustrating time trying to read him without late D1 posts. I think I need more D2 posts before I can peg down Teemu for anything in particular. Going after me N1 after that case isn't really alignment-indicative, so I have a ??? read on him for now.


Templar
I need to dig through his filter again, I had an initial townread on him, but I need to revisit that. You have a long filter, which is good. But I don't have time atm.

Hobbit

I think your bussing concern makes absolutely no sense. It would be abit ridic for Cats and MM1 to bus themselves THIS early when they weren't prime lynch candidates like pudding was, and I don't see a motive for me to effectively kill MM1 and draw attention to him.

HOWEVER, this does make sense as to why you voted for him after Cats stated the obvious about lynch confirmations, so...yeah.

I would say you're leaning town. ATM.


Haru

No time.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
June 24 2014 04:01 GMT
#924
As you may have come to expect there will be a delay.

I am really really sorry!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 24 2014 04:01 GMT
#925
goddamn, just in time

Don't expect I'll die, but I would press on Epishade and GlowingBear D2, and perhaps Nydus too. Nydus def needs to talk more.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 06:23:29
June 24 2014 04:02 GMT
#926
Day 2


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Khan's disgust with the situation's lack of resolution

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The Captain, listening to Khan and learning of the events on planet- Lord Tolkien now accounted for

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Who to suspect?

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The scene of Tolkein's demise


What more need be said?

A sad day on the Enterprise.

Lord Tolkein, Yeoman, has been found devoid of salt!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 24 2014 04:03 GMT
#927
Well, I guess not. Bye gaiz.

"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
June 24 2014 04:05 GMT
#928
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
June 24 2014 04:19 GMT
#929
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
June 24 2014 04:27 GMT
#930
Be excellent to each other.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 24 2014 04:30 GMT
#931
I'm adorable.
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 04:51:45
June 24 2014 04:42 GMT
#932
As a reminder you are allowed to talk but posting popcorn shows you are already becoming pros at this game!
Slam will edit in flavor, but you can talk/vote in Day 2 now with the knowledge that Tolkien was a
Yeoman Crewmember (Vanilla Town) as Slam said above.


Day 2 has begun.
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
TheKingOfTheCats
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
June 24 2014 04:54 GMT
#933
On June 24 2014 12:19 meatpudding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
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On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

What was a direct response to that post?


This post was a response to Templar:

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.


But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.

Why does Teemu calling you scummy and Templar townie mean they were trying to blend in with town when the game had just started and town wern't focused on anything yet? there was nothing for Teemu and Templar to blend into at that point.


That was my very first post of suspicion of Teemu. Because the game had just started I thought he seemed too quick to make reads. When he said his push on me had allowed him to make a townie read on Templar, I had the thought that Teemu might be trying to cover Templar each other so I posted it. I didn't see the reason to lean town on either of them at that point. I was also suspicious that Teemu might be trying to make false reads to lead the flow of conversation early. I think Teemu's very early scum read on me and very early town read on Templar were indicative of an agenda.

His scumread of you was indicative of an agenda, an agenda to get the game started. At the start there's nothing to talk about so you have to go "X is scum because of [insert bullshit reason here]" to get people talking about something. His initial scumread of you wasn't scummy, him townreading Templar so quickly for so little reason is slightly sus though. Although that says nothing about Templar's alignment.



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On June 24 2014 08:56 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:
On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.

I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.

As for introduction,

Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.

Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again.


That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me.

On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.


Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.


-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.


I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being.

If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious).

@Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?

Why do you think Teemu is giving off scum vibes even though he is "playing as a townie"? Is it because he's putting pressure on you?

Why would him getting you lynched help him blend in with town? If you flipped green then suspicion would be on him seeing as he was pushing your lynch (with varying degerrs of seriousness) from the start.

What makes you so sure you're a mafia target and what makes you so sure you're on to them? Teemu was "pushing" you before you were "on to" him so that doesn't make a lot of sense.


I never said lynching me would help him blend in. Just that a lynch would be less suspicious than using KP.
I would like to ask, if I were lynched and flip town, do you think that would implicate Teemu as scum?

If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town.

There seems to be a contradiction there, can you explain the underlined?

I'll have to go through Teemu's filter to see if you flipping green would make him look scummy. Haru definately would seeing as she's been pushing your lynch the most.

I'd like you to do something for me for the first half of D2, forget about Teemu. Pretend he isn't in the game and focus on other people, not just the ones that have been pushing you either. Focusing on Teemu won't get you anywhere right now, we all need to see you making cases on other people.
On August 13 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: koc with the worst post of all time
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
June 24 2014 05:13 GMT
#934
@Cats
I was trying to say that if I was called correctly on Teemu, they wouldn't want me pushing it in case it gained momentum. So lynching me would be ok. It's not that the lynch itself would make him look more town, I meant that minus my read on him, he would likely be considered town by most.

Who would you like to investigate more this day?
Be excellent to each other.
TheKingOfTheCats
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
June 24 2014 05:19 GMT
#935
On June 24 2014 14:13 meatpudding wrote:
@Cats
I was trying to say that if I was called correctly on Teemu, they wouldn't want me pushing it in case it gained momentum. So lynching me would be ok. It's not that the lynch itself would make him look more town, I meant that minus my read on him, he would likely be considered town by most.

Who would you like to investigate more this day?

I'm going to have to go through the arduous task of filter diving everyone and asking them about things that strike me as odd or that may need more explanation. I'm not going to do that now because it's 6AM and i'm too tired to focus but i'll get on it in around 10-16 hours.
On August 13 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: koc with the worst post of all time
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
June 24 2014 05:35 GMT
#936
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.

The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.

There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.

His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats

His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)

Fence reads:
Nydus

Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples

So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.

He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.

Night all.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 24 2014 08:01 GMT
#937
I got roleblocked last night. Probably because of this.

On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:
On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.


please don't think of me this way


Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.


And no, haru is no woman. Haruhi is a girl in the anime, haruhi suzumiya. Thus epishade is going she she she.

I'll reply to all questions as soon as possible.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
June 24 2014 09:55 GMT
#938
Hey guys, I'm alive and soon to be posting.

As you guys can imagine, I'm pretty surprised that Tolkien died in the night, lol.

Anyways, I would still appreciate people to look at my analysis on Day 1. I agree with Tolkien that it's kind of frustrating that I didn't have any real time interactions with people during MM1's lynch. It annoys me a little bit that half of day 1's content came from the last 8 hours of playtime (the time when I sleep too). I hope people will be more active throughout the the coming days and not only when I sleep, haha.

I'm still kind of exhausted from going through all of day 1 (especially since no one is posting reads about it), but I'll try to gather up some info and try to re-evaluate now since Tolkien apparently flipped town.

On June 24 2014 08:42 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemu how often do you play video mafia and how many times have you played forum mafia?


Why does this matter? What kind of information are you trying to gather from this question?

I'll be posting some soon. First, some video mafia.
TheKingOfTheCats
Profile Joined May 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
June 24 2014 12:23 GMT
#939
On June 24 2014 18:55 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm alive and soon to be posting.

As you guys can imagine, I'm pretty surprised that Tolkien died in the night, lol.

Anyways, I would still appreciate people to look at my analysis on Day 1. I agree with Tolkien that it's kind of frustrating that I didn't have any real time interactions with people during MM1's lynch. It annoys me a little bit that half of day 1's content came from the last 8 hours of playtime (the time when I sleep too). I hope people will be more active throughout the the coming days and not only when I sleep, haha.

I'm still kind of exhausted from going through all of day 1 (especially since no one is posting reads about it), but I'll try to gather up some info and try to re-evaluate now since Tolkien apparently flipped town.

Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 08:42 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemu how often do you play video mafia and how many times have you played forum mafia?


Why does this matter? What kind of information are you trying to gather from this question?

I'll be posting some soon. First, some video mafia.

If i answer that now it may influence your answer to my question. Don't worry, i'll tell you why i asked my question as soon as you answer it.
On August 13 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: koc with the worst post of all time
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
June 24 2014 12:33 GMT
#940
Eh,

I've played for about three months and get around three games a week on average.

This is my first forum mafia game.

As was said before though, you should probably evaluate my contribution as though I haven't played video mafia before.

I dislike greatly asking from people on video, if they're a new player or not, since people generally will make a lot of wrong reads based on that information.
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