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Alright, I'll be back watching this thread sporadically, and I'll post the brunt of my analysis towards the end of the night.
That being said, I have a few clarifications to make for Teemu, and an addendum to the (failed) case on MM1.
To fully elaborate on the reasons I pushed it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=23#459
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#461
In his initial reads list, he said this:
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
But later, when pressed on me by Haru, said:
tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that.
At this time, I had already made my case on Scott at least 12 hours ago I think.
KotC points it out, and I agreed with him wholeheartedly. He finds KotCs his top scum for being fine with a lynch of a non-contributor yet said he didn't have any feelings about me, when I start a lynch of an effective non-contributor (and push for a lurker lynch policy), and stated that a mislynch is an acceptable risk in D1 without a strong scum read. When I actually noticed KotCs state this, it seemed eminently impossible to me that he would be able to hone in on KotCs for that policy and make him his top scum choice, while completely ignoring me, as I was far louder telegraphing my intentions about it in the thread than KotC did. I, and apparently others, didn't notice KotC make that statement either.
I felt at the time that this was far to glaring to ignore, given there were votes onto KotC and he was under suspicion and, at the time, everyone had read me as on the fence. I considered it a very plausible motive, and a clear explanation for why he didn't vote for me (he was scum hoping to blend in). At the time, my only other major scumread was meatpudding, and I had a stronger read on MM1. It was, as I noted, a very tough choice and I wondered if MM1 could've been a better D2 case.
I stopped pushing after I made my initial case to support KotC after I pushed this theory and case, since I didn't want to tunnel it completely onto him, as meatpudding was also an acceptable lynch and I REALLY wanted to hear from both of them. I made some unnecessary cutting remarks, but really from that point on, he hung himself with his own posts, and it was Cats and everyone else who did most of the pushing.
There's quite frankly not much else I can say when he posts really confusing shit like me and him having a potential relationship; as I stated, wat is the relevance to anything if you're speculating about a potential relationship on D1 about a period of time between when you made your first reads list and when I pushed the case on you. I think we spent at least a good 30 minutes trying to figure that out, which unfortunately detracted from his defense to the point where enough people decided his flailing was too confusing as I did.
I was fairly certain he was scum up until the flip, but by that point, I was fine with him dying even if he was town because I couldn't understand his arguments by that point. <_<;
In hindsight, he likely simply didn't read the thread where I started the wagon on Scott well enough and pushed onto KotC with the most concrete piece of "evidence" he could've. But again, I stand by my reasons for voting MM1 at the time.
As for a pre-emptive defense of myself, where do I make such posts? I don't recall making such posts at all D1, but I might've done so. It was an exhausting 1/2 of the day for me. Partially why I stopped seriously pushing the case on MM1.
I'll be quite honest, I would rather have heard from you, Teemu, before the flip. Accusations are easy now after flips have been made, so I would've much rather have heard from you while the case is in-progress; it would be much more enlightening to your motives and your opinions. Grilling me is a natural position after I had such a heavy hand in the MM1 lynch, so I really can't read anything off this. But time constraints and timezones, I understand.
On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a mislynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had.
My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do!
The initial reads list, he didn't at all after he decided to decry KotCs for being top scum for an lynch-of-non-contributors policy, when he says absolutely nothing about me, except something confusing about me thinking Cats was scummier than meatpudding and that's it. He decided he was NEUTRAL on me, which made no sense given the context of his vote. In hindsight it was just a major glaring error on his part, but the major lapse of consistency made me eminently suspicious at the time. Think about it yourself. If you had read his initial reads (+ what Haru pushed for) at the time, what would you have thought?
On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die. I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die.
?????
I was referring to MM1, not meatpudding (and IF he's bad town, parts of it still do).
I should've quoted the post I was referring to, but I was tired, but here's the context post I was responding to.
On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz
By "fine" I was referring to his conduct, which is fine. Mafia can be pretty aggressive, and he didn't do anything out of line.
(If anyone did, it was probably me)
I clarify that later too.
On June 23 2014 13:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
at MM1.
You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man.
My stance on meatpudding didn't change throughout the entirety of D1: he would've been an acceptable lynch for me as well, I just felt I had a stronger read on MM1. I would've preferred it if they both died, and have/had nothing against lynching him.
And as you mentioned Haru, the cases on both of them were certainly very similar (why I spent so much time debating which one to move my vote to after pressuring Scott [who now appears to be AWOL]), I simply felt that MM1 was more likely scum.
Ill answer any questions as I see them from now until the end of night.
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Well that took unnecessarily long.
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One last thing:
Mods, can you check if Scott31337 is still playing? He indicated he wanted to quit so I'm not sure how to approach that.
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Bear, I am leaning slightly town on you. I can follow the logic of your arguments and you put a decent amount of effort into your reads, which is a good start. Well, that precisely, it's a start. You were a little later to the game than the rest of us, so I need more time/posts to get a stronger read.
I think this is your most interesting post so far:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.
I read Haru as town as well, but I like that you are still thinking of him even when he is in your town pile.
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On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. Show nested quote +It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town.
Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's.
After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation
Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch.
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On June 24 2014 08:00 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town. Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's. After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation Show nested quote + Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
Show nested quote + It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch.
What reason did you have for thinking that me or Tolkien were bussing MM?
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Just to throw it out there, my current reads:
Lord Tolkien-scummy
Jabberwockzerg-potential scum
Just talk more plz
HaruRH-towny
I like this post a lot
So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch.
why do you think this?
On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote:
EBWOP:
Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense.
Thekingofthecats-scummy
NydusHerMain-on the fence
GlowingBear-slightly towny
Meatpudding-on the fence
leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear
leaning town for this I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Teemursu-potential scum
Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does
Epishade-towny
The_Templar-towny
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On June 24 2014 08:14 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:00 Hobbitus wrote:On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town. Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's. After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch. What reason did you have for thinking that me or Tolkien were bussing MM?
You both seemed scummy to me and I was trying to figure out your position in the MM vote if you were scum. In retrospect, I should have realized MM flipping town was more likely.
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On June 24 2014 08:21 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:14 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 08:00 Hobbitus wrote:On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town. Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's. After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch. What reason did you have for thinking that me or Tolkien were bussing MM? You both seemed scummy to me and I was trying to figure out your position in the MM vote if you were scum. In retrospect, I should have realized MM flipping town was more likely.
You do realize that me or Tolkien bussing MM out of nowhere makes absolutely no sense right?
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Teemu how often do you play video mafia and how many times have you played forum mafia?
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.
Why does Teemu calling you scummy and Templar townie mean they were trying to blend in with town when the game had just started and town wern't focused on anything yet? there was nothing for Teemu and Templar to blend into at that point.
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On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.  I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them?
Why would Templar be scum if Teemu was as well? Just because Teemu said Templar was town?
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On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?
Why do you think Teemu is giving off scum vibes even though he is "playing as a townie"? Is it because he's putting pressure on you?
Why would him getting you lynched help him blend in with town? If you flipped green then suspicion would be on him seeing as he was pushing your lynch (with varying degerrs of seriousness) from the start.
What makes you so sure you're a mafia target and what makes you so sure you're on to them? Teemu was "pushing" you before you were "on to" him so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
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On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now.
Why vote Haru out of the blue when you're so sure that Teemu is scum?
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On June 24 2014 06:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
One last thing:
Mods, can you check if Scott31337 is still playing? He indicated he wanted to quit so I'm not sure how to approach that.
Will be / has been handled.
As a reminder, Night 1 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
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I suspect Meatpudding and not really Tolkien right now. Here's why:
On June 24 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Why vote Haru out of the blue when you're so sure that Teemu is scum?
It actually turns out that his reason for leaning scummy on Teemu in this post was completely wrong with some of his other reads, as Teemu and I had never played together. He apologized later but then clarified that I was probably scum, even though his town read on me had never changed. He additionally gave a different scum read on Teemu that wasn't strong at all, and told everyone "don't vote" if they disagreed with his Haru vote. (Surely he knew that everyone is supposed to vote right?)
On June 23 2014 05:53 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 00:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird. However: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy. I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter?  I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am. I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"? The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so: ##UnvotePlease unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you… I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts. Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game. (This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now) Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Templar, my mistake. I was confusing you with something that Nydus said. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. I don't have a strong case against Haruhi. But this post seems to be contradicting what he said about not scum hunting on D1. I went with my vote for this and because besides from this he is not being too direct. I'm trying to avoid a mislynch and if you think Haru is not worthy to lynch don't vote. On being paranoid of Teemu, he has been on my case since I introduced myself and hasn't let up one bit. He is pushing the lynch wagon hardest as well. Teemu strongest scum lean for me but I am not proposing a lynch because he posts a lot and might lead to more info and contradictions in the future. Teemu, Templar and Haru are leaning scum for me, but sure the case is weak. That's all for now. If I'm back before closing I can make another post.
I had more insight on this particular post here.
Additionally, Meat never really stopped pushing Teemu about his very quick and slightly questionable town read on me, instead using this as a starting point for all of his future reads on him and me (keep in mind I'm not even a big part of this), specifically the bolded part of this post:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered.
The underlined part is very questionable. Teemu specifically said IF, IF you didn't contribute, you would be a good lynch, and then you reacted, which meant you were likely to contribute. I see no inconsistency with those two posts of Teemu's, yet you point out that he's too good to make mistakes. And then you say that we can't trust his scum reads? Really now?
After saying he's wants to analyze me and Cats (which he hasn't done yet…), he feels rushed since there's 30 minutes left (he just wrong a long analysis post on Teemu, which was unrelated to the current lynch) and that he doesn't have a read on MM (which he uses to vote on him anyway…), he posts this:
On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Do you not even have an opinion on my case against MM? I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1
You're rushed, so you spend 20 minutes to skim one case and then blindly vote with the rest of the people on MM despite not being "sure". Definitely not what I would do with a crucial 20 minutes if I was a secondary lynch target.
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
And presto! I have magically turned back into a town read! He practically alternates calling me scummish and townish, while otherwise practically ignoring me in his analysis posts.
Tolkien:
First, read this post for my initial feelings about tolkien.
Now that you've ignored/pretended to read all of that, here's the next post he made:
On June 23 2014 09:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:00 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
*final appended note, I'm unsure about Teemu now. A change from my solid town read earlier, though I think I need to reread his filter a couple more times. Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion. Or teemu could just post some more. Alright, reviewing it from the top, I really just don't feel he's been forward with his opinions in the second half. The majority of his posts have been pressing questions and opinions from people, which is fine, but he hasn't done much after that. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:15 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him. Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber. Also, quick response to Glowbear: Show nested quote +I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafiaShow nested quote +When you find out that you have a blue role, the general knee-jerk reaction is that you are too important to the town to risk being lynched or shot by the mafia. This can cause people with blue roles to lurk and exhibit posts that suggest “fear”. However, a good player with a blue role will appear exactly like he is a townie, though this is not easy to do. When you have a blue role, you should be posting as if you are a townie. The only difference is that you are more well-informed than other townies. Use that knowledge to aid the town without letting a feeling of your importance as a blue role alter your posting habits. If you are lurking as a blue, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WELL. All you're doing is drawing attention to yourself by conspicuously not posting anything. There is no tangible benefit to lurking for town, as we can't figure out alignment and shit. PLAYING BLUE IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PLAYING BAD. So if I have to light a fire under your arses, fine. For D1, this is a perfectly sound policy. Anything regarding my push onto Scott is well-tread ground, so unless you have anything new to ask or to add, that's a beaten horse. It's a difficult vote for me right now. Until I get an acceptable defense that isn't an OMGUS, meatpudding is a pretty scummy candidate no matter my potential misgivings of Teemu. The only other option for me I is jabberwocky given the aforementioned discrepancies in his filter and shifting opinions. I want an explanation for it, but it's far less egregious than meatpudding's posts. Which are basically just OMGUS, and pretty useless from a town standpoint. A vote on meatpudding would additionally clear up my muddled picture of Teemu, and a few others, who are currently on him, based on his flip. But it also feels bluntly plausible that' he's just a poor newbie who's struggling to learn the game, since he's pretty blatantly OMGUSing here. But then again he'll be useless in that case so... Well, actually I really like Cats' recent posts and I agree with him on MysteryMeat's apparent discrepancy about our lynching policy towards non-contribution and lurkers. I'd like him to respond to it, because it's a pretty glaring difference when I was way more over the top with my stance on the issue. Probably a D2 case to bring up overall, but I actually VERY much like the case Cats brought up. I also didn't notice that we both proposed the same policy, him bringing it up first. Outside of the apparent frenzy over his introduction, he's leaning town to me now. Noticeably: Show nested quote +King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Show nested quote +tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. Ok you know what, fuck it. It is a VERY glaring inconsistency for MysteryMeat1 to condemn Cats for the possibility of a mislynch and not my push. The post is too reminiscent of my experience with N1k0 in my first TL mafia game. As much as I hate it since I really do want to lynch meatpudding for being a useless fucker, but... ##Vote MysteryMeat1It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor. But this is what my gut says. Also, glumly awaiting modkills on the 2 inactives (or a swap; 2 modkills is fucking brutal).
Besides being TotalBiscuit (read the paragraph about lurking as blue and the one after that in TB's voice), he does the following:
-Telling blues to post more. I don't think this ended up doing anything helpful, but he did state pretty clearly that his policy was to lynch the most unhelpful people and that blues should make sure they're as helpful as they need to be, so this isn't particularly bad.
-Says meatpudding is pretty scummy, and if he isn't, he's not useful.
-Said "fuck it" and voted MysteryMeat because of a very glaring inconsistency in his posting (Personally, my reason was much different and more difficult for me, although he had difficulty with it too). He should go after meatpudding tomorrow, anything else at this point would definitely be super bizarre considering meatpudding hasn't done much.
He then argues with MysteryMeat, which convinced him further due to nearly random posts at that point.
And then, when Meatpudding suddenly disappears, he tries to have his pudding and eat it. A bit greedy… at this point my town read started to weaken due to how aggressively he'd been trying to get them both lynched, considering they are both suspicious to quite a lot of us at this point.
His next post, however, lines up with the "be active, don't talk about being blue, just be town if you're blue" core of his game plan.
On June 23 2014 13:02 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I will probably be going to sleep/doing other shit after the flips. I've sunk way too much time into this today. One note:
REMEMBER GUYS, talk and post at night. Obv don't talk about stupid shit like WHO'S BLUE, or WHO SHOULD COP CHECK/MEDIC PROTECT/CAPTAIN PLANET SMASH? But talking at night is something that town should absolutely still be doing.
I'll do what I did in my past newbie games and post a comprehensive night analysis post just as it's about to end.
This was completely ignored by GlowingBear (more on that tomorrow if he does anything else scummy). However, I look forwards to the mentioned analysis post, which will probably confirm my town read on him along with this:
On June 24 2014 06:37 Lord Tolkien wrote:Alright, I'll be back watching this thread sporadically, and I'll post the brunt of my analysis towards the end of the night. That being said, I have a few clarifications to make for Teemu, and an addendum to the (failed) case on MM1. To fully elaborate on the reasons I pushed it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=23#459http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#461In his initial reads list, he said this: Show nested quote +King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment. But later, when pressed on me by Haru, said: Show nested quote +tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that. At this time, I had already made my case on Scott at least 12 hours ago I think. KotC points it out, and I agreed with him wholeheartedly. He finds KotCs his top scum for being fine with a lynch of a non-contributor yet said he didn't have any feelings about me, when I start a lynch of an effective non-contributor (and push for a lurker lynch policy), and stated that a mislynch is an acceptable risk in D1 without a strong scum read. When I actually noticed KotCs state this, it seemed eminently impossible to me that he would be able to hone in on KotCs for that policy and make him his top scum choice, while completely ignoring me, as I was far louder telegraphing my intentions about it in the thread than KotC did. I, and apparently others, didn't notice KotC make that statement either. I felt at the time that this was far to glaring to ignore, given there were votes onto KotC and he was under suspicion and, at the time, everyone had read me as on the fence. I considered it a very plausible motive, and a clear explanation for why he didn't vote for me (he was scum hoping to blend in). At the time, my only other major scumread was meatpudding, and I had a stronger read on MM1. It was, as I noted, a very tough choice and I wondered if MM1 could've been a better D2 case. I stopped pushing after I made my initial case to support KotC after I pushed this theory and case, since I didn't want to tunnel it completely onto him, as meatpudding was also an acceptable lynch and I REALLY wanted to hear from both of them. I made some unnecessary cutting remarks, but really from that point on, he hung himself with his own posts, and it was Cats and everyone else who did most of the pushing. There's quite frankly not much else I can say when he posts really confusing shit like me and him having a potential relationship; as I stated, wat is the relevance to anything if you're speculating about a potential relationship on D1 about a period of time between when you made your first reads list and when I pushed the case on you. I think we spent at least a good 30 minutes trying to figure that out, which unfortunately detracted from his defense to the point where enough people decided his flailing was too confusing as I did. I was fairly certain he was scum up until the flip, but by that point, I was fine with him dying even if he was town because I couldn't understand his arguments by that point. <_<; In hindsight, he likely simply didn't read the thread where I started the wagon on Scott well enough and pushed onto KotC with the most concrete piece of "evidence" he could've. But again, I stand by my reasons for voting MM1 at the time. As for a pre-emptive defense of myself, where do I make such posts? I don't recall making such posts at all D1, but I might've done so. It was an exhausting 1/2 of the day for me. Partially why I stopped seriously pushing the case on MM1. I'll be quite honest, I would rather have heard from you, Teemu, before the flip. Accusations are easy now after flips have been made, so I would've much rather have heard from you while the case is in-progress; it would be much more enlightening to your motives and your opinions. Grilling me is a natural position after I had such a heavy hand in the MM1 lynch, so I really can't read anything off this. But time constraints and timezones, I understand. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a mislynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had. Show nested quote +My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! The initial reads list, he didn't at all after he decided to decry KotCs for being top scum for an lynch-of-non-contributors policy, when he says absolutely nothing about me, except something confusing about me thinking Cats was scummier than meatpudding and that's it. He decided he was NEUTRAL on me, which made no sense given the context of his vote. In hindsight it was just a major glaring error on his part, but the major lapse of consistency made me eminently suspicious at the time. Think about it yourself. If you had read his initial reads (+ what Haru pushed for) at the time, what would you have thought? Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die. I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. ????? I was referring to MM1, not meatpudding (and IF he's bad town, parts of it still do). I should've quoted the post I was referring to, but I was tired, but here's the context post I was responding to. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz By "fine" I was referring to his conduct, which is fine. Mafia can be pretty aggressive, and he didn't do anything out of line. (If anyone did, it was probably me) I clarify that later too. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
at MM1.
You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man. My stance on meatpudding didn't change throughout the entirety of D1: he would've been an acceptable lynch for me as well, I just felt I had a stronger read on MM1. I would've preferred it if they both died, and have/had nothing against lynching him. And as you mentioned Haru, the cases on both of them were certainly very similar (why I spent so much time debating which one to move my vote to after pressuring Scott [who now appears to be AWOL]), I simply felt that MM1 was more likely scum.
Ill answer any questions as I see them from now until the end of night.
This is a really defensive post, but his response to Teemu was fantastic and very clear. I have one problem, though, with the bolded post. Earlier, he said that
It's a tough choice, honestly. Moderately strong scum read vs. scummy read/pretty useless contributor.
So… why are the cases similar, exactly? Would love to hear it.
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Alright, back, going through some things. Don't know if I have time enough to write the kind of analysis I'd like to give before night ends, but I'll try.
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On June 24 2014 08:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. Why does Teemu calling you scummy and Templar townie mean they were trying to blend in with town when the game had just started and town wern't focused on anything yet? there was nothing for Teemu and Templar to blend into at that point.
That was my very first post of suspicion of Teemu. Because the game had just started I thought he seemed too quick to make reads. When he said his push on me had allowed him to make a townie read on Templar, I had the thought that Teemu might be trying to cover Templar each other so I posted it. I didn't see the reason to lean town on either of them at that point. I was also suspicious that Teemu might be trying to make false reads to lead the flow of conversation early. I think Teemu's very early scum read on me and very early town read on Templar were indicative of an agenda.
On June 24 2014 08:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? Why would Templar be scum if Teemu was as well? Just because Teemu said Templar was town?
Yes. I didn't have much to go on (the game had just started). I was hoping to see a reaction from either of them. Templar didn't respond to me directly, making me have lean scum.
On June 24 2014 08:56 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? Why do you think Teemu is giving off scum vibes even though he is "playing as a townie"? Is it because he's putting pressure on you? Why would him getting you lynched help him blend in with town? If you flipped green then suspicion would be on him seeing as he was pushing your lynch (with varying degerrs of seriousness) from the start. What makes you so sure you're a mafia target and what makes you so sure you're on to them? Teemu was "pushing" you before you were "on to" him so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
I never said lynching me would help him blend in. Just that a lynch would be less suspicious than using KP.
I would like to ask, if I were lynched and flip town, do you think that would implicate Teemu as scum?
On June 24 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Why vote Haru out of the blue when you're so sure that Teemu is scum?
My thoughts on Haru are based off two things. 1. His inconsistency with D1 scumhunting. 2. His posts to me seemed more of a filler than they were moving forward with the discussion.
On June 22 2014 00:36 HaruRH wrote:
Too early for scumtell in my opinion. Let everyone post first. I would like to hear an introduction from everyone :D
On June 22 2014 11:40 HaruRH wrote:
Jwz? Epishade? Glowingbear?
By his logic of lynching lurkers based on town contribution, it is infinitely better to post something over nothing. I felt that tolkien voted for convenience, which is usually a scumtell.
I usually do not scumhunt d1 but tolkien. .. oh boy.
On June 22 2014 13:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? Teemu is certainly instigating talks at this point, leading the town for discussion. However, I normally do not use d1 for scumreads since most have not posted/posted little. In fact, any filters less than 3 pages isn't worth checking out tbh. Tolkien's intentions may be pure, but its still too early to tell. I honestly don't see town need to lynch lurkers so that 'people can contribute more'. Feels like a cover up to lynch town, since there are usually more town lurkers.
At the time I didn't like hit read on Tolkien either, but now I'm giving it more thought.
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I've said I had no intention of Lynching Teemu D1. He may be scum, but he's posting more than anyone, and we can make reads based on his posting and the responses he gets. Having Teemu around is going lead to more confirmed town I believe. Just watch for any who try to make scummy arguments, or switch their reads for no good reason.
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Templar, I don't like your read on me at all.
On June 24 2014 11:27 The_Templar wrote:I suspect Meatpudding and not really Tolkien right now. Here's why: Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 09:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Why vote Haru out of the blue when you're so sure that Teemu is scum? It actually turns out that his reason for leaning scummy on Teemu in this post was completely wrong with some of his other reads, as Teemu and I had never played together. He apologized later but then clarified that I was probably scum, even though his town read on me had never changed. He additionally gave a different scum read on Teemu that wasn't strong at all, and told everyone "don't vote" if they disagreed with his Haru vote. (Surely he knew that everyone is supposed to vote right?)
No. Why I was leaning scummy on Teemu is because he made reads too early, on you and me. The only excuse for that is if he knew your play style and was gathering his read from something like that. Since that's not true, I stand by my scum read on him.
When I said "don't vote" I meant on the Haru wagon, obviously.
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:53 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 00:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird. However: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy. I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter? I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am. I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"? The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so: ##UnvotePlease unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you… I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts. Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game. (This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now) Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Templar, my mistake. I was confusing you with something that Nydus said. On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. I don't have a strong case against Haruhi. But this post seems to be contradicting what he said about not scum hunting on D1. I went with my vote for this and because besides from this he is not being too direct. I'm trying to avoid a mislynch and if you think Haru is not worthy to lynch don't vote. On being paranoid of Teemu, he has been on my case since I introduced myself and hasn't let up one bit. He is pushing the lynch wagon hardest as well. Teemu strongest scum lean for me but I am not proposing a lynch because he posts a lot and might lead to more info and contradictions in the future. Teemu, Templar and Haru are leaning scum for me, but sure the case is weak. That's all for now. If I'm back before closing I can make another post. I had more insight on this particular post here.Additionally, Meat never really stopped pushing Teemu about his very quick and slightly questionable town read on me, instead using this as a starting point for all of his future reads on him and me (keep in mind I'm not even a big part of this), specifically the bolded part of this post: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. The underlined part is very questionable. Teemu specifically said IF, IF you didn't contribute, you would be a good lynch, and then you reacted, which meant you were likely to contribute. I see no inconsistency with those two posts of Teemu's, yet you point out that he's too good to make mistakes. And then you say that we can't trust his scum reads? Really now?
Those posts are between Cats and Teemu. Teemu is saying cats didn't called me out when Cats specifically said i could be a lynch candidate if I didn't contribute.
Also I think Teemu's scum read on me is not a mistake, it is very deliberate.
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:After saying he's wants to analyze me and Cats (which he hasn't done yet…), he feels rushed since there's 30 minutes left (he just wrong a long analysis post on Teemu, which was unrelated to the current lynch) and that he doesn't have a read on MM (which he uses to vote on him anyway…), he posts this: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Do you not even have an opinion on my case against MM? I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible. Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 You're rushed, so you spend 20 minutes to skim one case and then blindly vote with the rest of the people on MM despite not being "sure". Definitely not what I would do with a crucial 20 minutes if I was a secondary lynch target.
When you say I blindly vote, it was between me and MM. What choice did I have. I would like to know how much you can read into that. I said I wasn't convinced on MM but he started acting way too defensively and his argument I could not follow. At the time I liked Tolkiens post calling him out for lurking and posting a list of reads at the end of day. But that was all I really had to go on.
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town And presto! I have magically turned back into a town read! He practically alternates calling me scummish and townish, while otherwise practically ignoring me in his analysis posts.
Yes I have switched to a town read on you. I may switch back still. You have been acting very town, but I didn't want to allay my initial suspicion based on Teemu's early interaction with you.
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