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On June 23 2014 23:11 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:50 Teemursu wrote:This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1. To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a misslynch. Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had. Since you're here now kotc, can you reply some of my questions? 1) There was a seemingly pre-emptive defence on your cases before MM flip. Why? 2) If you thought he was town, why push then? If you thought he was scum, why the defense? 3) Explain your previous post again I don't get it.
1) If you could point out the "pre-emptive defence" in my cases i'd appreciate it because i have no idea what you're talking about.
2) I didn't think he was town, if i did i wouldn't have pushed him. Again, what defence?
3) Which post are you talking about and what don't you get about it?
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On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
1)These 2 bolded quotes doesn't seem to agree with one another. So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. Or almost like you knew it would happen anyway.
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3) On June 23 2014 23:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:44 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 14:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:As soon as i saw this i knew he was going to flip green: On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right. Fuck. Anyway it's 6AM here and i really need some sleep so...  Just noticed this. What the heck? MM posted that after his lynch was locked in. He knew he was going to die so he stopped fighting and instead gave his thoughts on people that no-one else was discussing at the time, as scum there's no reason to do that because if he knew he was about to flip red he wouldn't bother to give quick scumreads on anyone because he'd know that they would be discounted as soon as he flipped and those last minute scumreads of his would actually give the people he mentioned townie points thus hurting his scumteam and if he was mafia he certainly wouldn't say what he said about Epishade in the thread.
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Now that I re-read the whole situation, I think my question applies for Tolkien instead of kotc.
On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
On June 23 2014 10:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Like, I can get GlowingBear jumping on me for being fine with a mislynch and not Cats because he wasn't loud about it. It's a plausible mistake. But I was loudly telegraphing my position on it, and he wasn't so it's fine. But to zero in on CATS and completely miss my stance and posts? NO FKING WAY.
On June 23 2014 12:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:Yes, I understand that it's certainly possible for me and GlowingBear to be mafia together: it would make some sense if you flipped green. It would suggest that me, GlowingBear, and meatpudding are mafia if you ascribe to that theory though (since there would have to be a clear motive to trying to push the bandwagon off meat...which doesn't match what I've been saying previously so... :psyduck: ). He'll probably be under my scrutiny D2. I still have no idea what kind of relationship I would have with you. It would be monumentally stupid of me to bus you as mafia (if you were mafia), since no one actually believed Cats until I supported his push. If you're town and I'm mafia, it would mean I would have to be pushing steam off meatpudding or Cats (the latter wasn't going to be lynched, let's be real)...despite me talking about lynching meatpudding as a preference, both before the Scott pressure votes and I withdrew it. If you're green, that makes no sense. :psyduck: I still don't see it. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:07 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if you tell a blue role how to play and in a newbie game they start playing like that, then you are essentially fishing for roles. If they start listening to you, and you notice then you can shoot them in the night. Possible yes, but I was also saying lurking IN GENERAL is bad. If you're vanilla town its bad because you don't do anything and will probably get policy-lynched for it in a forum mafia game eventually, it's bad for blues because you'll get either lynched or shot because mafia will notice, and it's bad for mafia because people will notice. Town thrives on posts, so POST. That's the crux of what I was saying and aiming to promote.
On June 23 2014 12:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
who are you going to rule out when i flip green tolkien? ...they're ruled out when you're red. If green checking myself or Cats is a safe bet I would say and it means we probably will be under suspicion tomorrow heavily. And we won't die, most likely since we started the lynch.
On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die.
These few posts are just soft defense on himself. He is suggesting that he entertained the thought of a ML but went through with it anyway.
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On June 23 2014 23:47 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. 1)These 2 bolded quotes doesn't seem to agree with one another. So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch. Or almost like you knew it would happen anyway. 2)^ 3) Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 23:01 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 22:44 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 14:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:As soon as i saw this i knew he was going to flip green: On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right. Fuck. Anyway it's 6AM here and i really need some sleep so... Just noticed this. What the heck? MM posted that after his lynch was locked in. He knew he was going to die so he stopped fighting and instead gave his thoughts on people that no-one else was discussing at the time, as scum there's no reason to do that because if he knew he was about to flip red he wouldn't bother to give quick scumreads on anyone because he'd know that they would be discounted as soon as he flipped and those last minute scumreads of his would actually give the people he mentioned townie points thus hurting his scumteam and if he was mafia he certainly wouldn't say what he said about Epishade in the thread.
1) I don't see how they contradict each other. I stated that if meatpudding flipped red it would confirm you and Teemu town. I said that if MM flipped red it would confirm me and Tolkien town. The part about having to go over why people voted for meatpudding if he flipped green applies to MM as well. What i said about MM was a response to the question of "what info would we get if MM flipped red" so there was no reason to state the obvious and say that reading over peoples reasons to vote him if he flipped green would be useful.
Also, a soft defence of what exactly?
3) MM posted that after he knew he was going to get lynched. If he was scum he wouldn't give out mini reads on people when he knew he was about to die because they would be discounted immediately and going "hey i think this guy looks scummy" right before he flips scum would make the guy he was talking about look townie because of it. Now you could WIFOM that by saying that he could've been scumreading a scumbuddy to make him look town but i didn't think he was good enough to fuck with us like that, hence i thought he was town for posting it.
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For some reason what you two are going on about isn't giving me a read one way or the other.
Haru, I'd still like you to read through my posts and give your reads on them.
I wonder when everyone else starts posting up more?
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Teemu
On meatpudding:
" IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?"
This is odd.
And then, this was his answer to Teemu
"I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call."
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum.
If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?"
I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence:
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.  I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town
Alright, now on Kotc:
On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched.
And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze.
Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL
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On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL
I am having a lot of trouble myself actually, there's so much information that I don't know who and where to begin with. When I get to my computer I'll see what I can do with Teemu's and your reads, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there.
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GlowingBear, you're adorable. Definitely leaning town. Your reads just ooze towny perspective.
What's your read on Haru?
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I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.
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EDIT: I should be adorable, after all, I'm a bear. And I glow. : }
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Alright, here's my promised vote/flip analysis:
On June 23 2014 13:02 Alakaslam wrote:Final Vote Count – Day 1 scott31337 (1): Lord Tolkein, The_Templar, scott31337 Lord Tolkien (0): HaruRHTheKingOfTheCats (0): NydusHerMain, MysteryMeat1meatpudding (4): Teemursu, scott31337, HaruRH, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, Epishade, GlowingBear, MysteryMeat1, The_TemplarHaruRH (0): meatpuddingjabberwockzerg (0): HobbitusMysteryMeat1 (8): TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding Not voting (2): Solar424, BlondeMocha
MysteryMeat1 is lynched with 8 votes.
Day 1 has ended.
Notes:
On MM's wagon:
TheKingOfTheCats, Lord Tolkien, Epishade, Hobbitus, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, NydusHerMain, The_Templar, meatpudding
Number of vote switches
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The_Templar (scott -> meatpudding -> MM -> Meatpudding p> MM)
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Lord Tolkien ( scott -> MM)
Epishade ( meatpudding -> MM)
Hobbitus (jabber -> MM)
jabber (meatpudding -> MM)
Nydus (Kotc -> MM)
meatpudding (haru -> MM)
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TheKingOfTheCats
Immediate notes:
Templar is the outlier with 4 vote switches. Anomaly in calculations.
Kotc started the wagon and did not switch.
4 are from previous wagons (Lord Tolkien, Epishade, jabber, Nydus)
My Observations & Reads
-Following the collapse of the Scott-wagon, Tolkien immediately jumped to the MM wagon. This is not really much of a tell, but Tolkien's reasoning for hopping to the MM-wagon could be used to hop back to the meatpudding wagon. Try it by yourself, you'll be shocked how close the case of both meats are.
-Epishade jumped to the MM-Wagon next from a meatpudding wagon. This too have not much of a tell, but he managed to hop to the MM-wagon despite giving questionable reasons.
Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you.
-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird.
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town.
- I don't like jabber's voting pattern at all. He read pudding as a townlean, and voted for pudding less than 4 posts later.
His hop to MM-wagon was met with little resistance - he was able to completely avoid providing anything like an analysis switching votes to MM.
Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it
Seriously? This could be used as a reason to switch to MM?
-nothing much for Nydus since he provides better reason than any of the people here for switching.
-Meatpudding is the most horrible of them all. He voted for Haru (me) just as an OMGUS vote, then switched to MM so that he could survive this day 1.
-Kotc cannot run from this either. His reasoning for a vote on MM can be used on metapudding as well - try it out again.
Overall, we should look out for Tolkien, Epishade, hobbitus, jabber, meatpudding and Kotc tomorrow. If their voting pattern persists, it will be more than enough evidence to scumread them.
In terms of how their scum-rating (by me) is affected,
scum %:
Jabber - 30%
meatpudding - 30%
Tolkien - 30%
Epishade - 20%
Kotc - 20%
hobbitus - 20%
Templar - 10% (weird votes...)
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On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.
 please don't think of me this way
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On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way
Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
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On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
Maybe not the best idea to say that out loud, LOL.
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Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted.
I hate not being able do edit now
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On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now
Did you ever edit before?
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On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before?
Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy
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On June 24 2014 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:32 The_Templar wrote:On June 24 2014 03:28 GlowingBear wrote:Hahaha I thought that just right after I posted. I hate not being able do edit now Did you ever edit before? Nope, I'm talking about the "no editing" policy
I wanted to live past tonight. Don't increase my already high chance of getting mafia'ed tonight.
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@Haruhi
You don't mention that any scum could have voted elsewhere, and you seem to be focusing primarily on those that voted for Meat while leaving out the others that voted for meatpudding (which includes yourself). Meat warranted my vote for his displaced logic, which I mentioned too in my justification. Honestly, I wasn't satisfied with a bunch of his responses to everybody afterwards either. I wouldn't put it past people to vote for him just because of how erratic his replies were. Meat wasn't helping his case very much when he started posting just a few hours before deadline.
Honestly, I think the scum votes were likely split between meatpudding and Meat. I don't think scum would all vote on the same person the same day as that establishes a clear link between them (though you could argue wifom here). I'm surprised you don't bring up anything else regarding people that didn't vote for Meat. Even so, without knowing meatpudding's alignment either, a lot of this is baseless, especially considering how many people voted for Meat to begin with.
Also, you seem to have left out Nydus on your list for having a good reasoning to vote Meat. You also listed him as from a previous wagon, but I wouldn't consider 2 votes on Cats, 1 even by Meat - who was starting to get trashed to be a wagon. Of course he had to get off there, as Cats had no reason to be voted (at least, from what I could tell) in the first place. That was why Meat got so much flak. There's no way Nydus was going to stick there. He wasn't abandoning any wagon there.
On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:
I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
You don't think it's a little bit convenient that when everybody started voting for Meat he rescinded his read on Cats so he could vote for Meat as well? Maybe he actually did change his mind about Cats. Idk. I'm not saying it's bad logic that Nydus voted for Meat for sheeping, but I don't think it's any better than what anybody else voted for Meat for. That's not enough for me to discount him from being scum just yet.
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EBWOP: Maybe I should rephrase that last part a bit.
I do think JabberZerg voted Meat purely out of spite because of Meat's posting style. So, maybe not better than the reasoning that "everybody" voted for, but mostly everybody.
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