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Coagulation
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Steveling
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Coagulation
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On April 04 2014 18:49 Steveling wrote: Um, did rayn just got himself modkilled or am I still dreaming? Is it a wet dream? | ||
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Steveling
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Steveling
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On April 04 2014 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: IAMDRUNKSTERSTFU`?!"""""Q DC waht? WHAT IS UP? ~raybnnn Nvm got it, woah. | ||
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Steveling
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Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first? Anyone here? | ||
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Holyflare
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mderg
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On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote: Um, whatever, I guess? Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first? Anyone here? I am here. I would 100% want to lynch coag in a normal game but I´m not completely sure about this here. Sentinel looks pretty neutral to me. My point about his inconsistency looks kinda stupid now. Palmar seems pretty town right now. I can´t read him perfectly but I can´t see anything scummy from him and everybody seems to read him as town. Right now I´d go with coag because he did nothing that would indicate him being town. He did almost nothing in general, though. So there´s nothing that´s comfirming him as scum. | ||
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Steveling
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But I'm filtering sentinel as we speak, wait some. | ||
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Palmar
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On April 04 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote: I mean what happened not your question, lol. rayn got drunk, it was hilarious. | ||
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Palmar
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On April 04 2014 18:33 Coagulation wrote: First of all, let me apologize for not being involved with this game at all. But that is part of the beauty of a hydra. Except also it's really annoying playing a hydra and a non hydra game on at the same time. I literally don't know my password for anything anymore, and my browser is not saving them for some reason! I have to try like 5 passwords every time i want to log in anywhere. Anyway why the fuck are you voting coag? I read our filter and he is basically the towniest I have ever seen him. LOOK AT THIS GEM There is more scumhunting concentrated in that sentence than in palmar's entire filter probably. Also what the fuck is a cell? Feel free to play the game Kush. You know I'm going to lynch you if you don't. I know you hate doing this but if you want to not get lynched you need to put in effort. | ||
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Palmar
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Holyflare
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On April 04 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote: Holyflare why are you not playing this game like at all? rayn modkill/catastrophe/lack of caring at modkill situation after spending 2 days talking about that cell | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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On April 04 2014 18:08 getmoript wrote: So I couldn't find any more games from UoN other than: Extratctor Trick Resistence 3 [red]LXII I actually wish I had 2-3 more games at at least 1 more scum game to compare it to. The first major thing I noticed that's different from the town games Sen'ts posts have been is that in both of those games a large amount of his filter is short posts, mostly 1-2 line posts with very few if any big posts. Conversely, as scum he has these very large almost summary posts. From a purely perusal standpoint without actually reading much into it, I just want to lynch Sent. So you want to lynch me because I make big posts? lol The reason I didn't post much in Resistance is because I was on my phone for nearly the whole game: On December 30 2013 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ooooh ok. Well, guys, I'll be here for the voting deadline, but I won't be around for the majority of the nightphase. I'm leaving on vacation in two days, and I'll be phoneposting for the entirety of Day 2 and the first bit of Day 3. I'll have a lot of time on my hands in the evenings and I'll still be able to keep track of this game since there's only nine of us, but just as a forewarning. On January 01 2014 00:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm on the road now, phone posting for the next 4 days  I can't make huge cases on my phone because the screen is way too small for me to format quotes and all that stuff. Extractor was played simultaneously meaning I had the same problems. Specifically, as town Sent seems to flow with the thread more if that makes any sense; ie. he interacts with it as it's going on. Where as as scum, he tries to lump everything together into one coherent point that people won't really talk about. I'd say gumshoe was and is being talked about a lot, as is all of Cell 1. I'm simply offering my two cents. When I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe, that really got to bothering me. Specifically in how differently the points were laid out and how illogical they are. The first thing that really bothers me about this part of this post is how it doesn't go anywhere at all. He's 100% leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe both town and scum. Even more so, I hate how he comes up with his townread on gumshoe, "welp gumshoe as scum clearly wouldn't try to attact this much attention from town rayn. Instead he'd just try and push Rayn over the side or have Rayn bury Steve." But this is like exactly what gumshoe was doing, Gumshoe came up with a case on rayn; when said case went south, he screamed "Pants on Fire, I'm not scum because Steveling exists." This specifically bothers me because this looks like Sent just wants to create any reason to call Gumshoe town and move on. (Forgive me if I'm wrong on the timing of when Sent posted this but I'm not up to double checking that) Did you read what you just quoted? I'm saying that gum is town, here is what town gum and scum gum would have done, and showing the more probable case is that gum is town. That's actually what my whole post was about. I called gum town because when I looked at his play it was harder for me to understand why a scum would explicitly say "I don't care about your reads and I'm ignoring you" to one of the most sheep-able players in the game, and make himself that huge of a target. In my mind at least it makes a lot more sense if gum is simply a cavalier misguided townie. Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight. Another thing that specifically bothered me here is that he's writing off Gumshoe as town for his consistency. People's reads never changing, moving or evolving tends to be seen as a scum trait not a bad town tell. Koshi specifically brought it up as a reason for suspecting me/cav. Here he's again leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe scum for his consistency while managing to call him town.[/quote] I don't understand how sticking to your guns no matter what happens, and basically tunneling, is not a bad town trait. Sentinel]Here's a game where I did exactly that as town. It didn't go well, but I was still town. Palmer. You don't have to read his other filters, but seriously look at them. It's almost obvious how differently Sent posts as scum and as town. I hate to say that I agree with Coag here but I actually think Coag's right on this one. ##unvote ##vote [UoN]Sentinel It's 5 am here and I'm really sleepy, I'll get back to working on prplhz. I'm leaving my options open because I'm not 100% sure gum is town. Look at all the points I made - gum's behavior in X Y and Z makes it look like town play but Y and Z are also trademarks of scum play. I simply picked bad town because it made more sense, but I could be wrong, and here's why. I still love how you think I'm scum because I'm posting intelligently for once. | ||
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Holyflare
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Raynpelikonoshi Gumshoe Steveling Cell 2 Holyflare Tehpoofter mderg Cell 3 Palmar Sentinel Coagulation Cell 4 Balla24 LSB Alakaslam Cell 5 Getmoript prplhz Cephiro this is where i'm at right now | ||
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mderg
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On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote: Cell 1 Raynpelikonoshi Gumshoe Steveling Cell 2 Holyflare Tehpoofter mderg Cell 3 Palmar Sentinel Coagulation Cell 4 Balla24 LSB Alakaslam Cell 5 Getmoript prplhz Cephiro this is where i'm at right now I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this. You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2. | ||
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Holyflare
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On April 04 2014 20:16 mderg wrote: I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this. You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2. because: 1) rayn claimed scum 2) rayn's play was tunneled on gumshoe and his reads on other people were kinda thrown out there without more talking about them because he kept arguing with gumshoe etc etc 3) steveling modconfirmed town 4) gumshoe got flamed by rayn so hard when he was drunk it must mean that gumshoe is town I don't know about being wrong on you because rayn had poofter as scum but he DID put out group almost last so that might make a lot of sense. | ||
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Coagulation
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On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote: Um, whatever, I guess? Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first? Anyone here? This dude is one trillion percent confirmed scum. | ||
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Steveling
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On April 02 2014 04:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even. On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Because lynching by coinflip is such a popular strategy on this site, right? As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time, although Coag's not too unpredictable, kush you can usually see once you wade past all the bullshit, and Palmar... I'll think of something. On April 02 2014 04:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ups and downs. D2 I'll be a very happy person. If you are in the "many other people", how does town Palmar differ from scum Palmar? In all my experience with him all I've seen is a monolith You understand sentinel that in a mafia game you have to provide reads, no matter what, no matter your alignment. Yet you take that stance towards the strongest player in your cell almost before the game even starts. Definitely scum points here, you could be trying to get in his good side and give a good excuse to sheep him if he false reads your cell. He agrees with me on an early dive on gumshoe. On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first: Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up: While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though. He then throws a light punch at me On April 03 2014 08:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why wouldn't Steve have a definite red target in his own cell? The same player that basically refused to comment on his cell is asking me why I can't make up my mind in our cell so early in the game, when even now, even after ryankoshi's modkill people are not sure of his alignment, lol. Double standards much sentinel? More scumpoints for this. Later On April 03 2014 11:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: A general impression from a quick skim of the 13 pages of roshi's filter: If I had to distinguish between town rayn and scum rayn, is that rayn plays scum like CNN - seemingly factual, but carefully omitting anything that doesn't support it, and shifting away the attention before anyone starts asking "why?" The case on gumshoe seems a bit myopic but legitimate, something I'd see coming from yamato more than rayn. Sure it's very detailed and sourced but it's almost to the point where rayn's letting his frustration with gum lead his argument instead of the other way around. More Fox than CNN. He says raynkoshi's gumshoe case is so good and flawless that they have to be scum? what? I like how he re-validates ryankoshi's legit points about gum but again he doesn't take a stance. Fun fact, towards neither of the two. And this was supposed to be a brief summary of his 13page filter dive on rayn, nice results sentinel, lmao. Later he conveniently takes ryankoshi's side on a silly meta argument. On April 03 2014 12:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'll actually concede that one to you. Again, so flimsy, so immaterial, so neutral. Sentinel's favorite mafia tactic emerges again On April 03 2014 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Tell me what scum gum's rationale would be for blatantly ignoring rayn's criticisms when rayn is one of the most sheep-able people on this forum. More sheeping? And you base a read on gum saying that what he did was illogical because sheeping ryan would be the logical thing instead? Da faq Later on he says that my anger burst about the oath thing was fake. Even though he says that, again, he doesn't take a freaking stance. I literally haven't seen that before in any mafia games, xD. And if you think that it wasn't legit sentinel you are basically calling me a retard for doing something so silly, because it would be silly to fake it no matter my alignment. After ryan's and gum's oath thing, I had to examine why ryan did it. I made a case with the points I thought were valid. Sentinel goes to sleep and his first post opening his day is against my ryan case. He accuses me that I falsely counted my town reads and that ryan was a bigger towny than me. Two things are wrong in his syllogism, first, the semantics he explains are firmly applicable to every other mafia player and not only me. Some people had me down as neutral and not as town, that goes for ryan too though, you didn't say that in your argument. Second, my main point wasn't that I was more towny than rayn, it was that I was green enough, so that ryan would be scared of me taking gumshoe's side. You didn't address this at all. The case he made against my case(why would a towny do that, instead of providing new thoughts), was pretty big. Here I spoiler it + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2014 05:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I have to leave before deadline, but I'm voting for rayn. Steve's case is fundamentally flawed from the beginning: In the six posts that you call, in your words, "Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral", many arguments are either wrong or against you: Two are from gumshoe, who considers you town but at the same time has been tunneling rayn. He actually mentioned here (in the Balla quote): This isn't someone calling you town, this is someone tunneling rayn and saying that rayn is scum because from the two of you, you're the scummier one, yet he's still going after gum. Gum himself seems to have tripped over his argument - wouldn't it be a lot easier to implicate you than him, and thus more "convenient" to fight? You're labeled as green by association, because if rayn is scum as gum believes, you can't physically be scum. But again, gum's argument is flawed and not good evidence for your own. Balla actually points this out. He's accusing you of doing nothing and gumshoe being too myopic to realize that. Which is correct, or was at that point in time at least. You're scummier than rayn, which means you're either null and gum is scum in his eyes, or the other way around. The other gumshoe post of note is the one where he praises your game for being "riddled with uncertainty", which I previously said was relatively logical (i.e. he's not tunneling and you're approaching gum open-mindedly), although then I changed that to scummy because you didn't have a good stance and it was even evidenced in your read of rayn as town and gum as slightly town. mderg finds you neutral - your dive of gumshoe might be towny according to him, but that would indicate the rest of your play is a little lacking, no? I had a slight red read on you. I still do, and between schoolwork and essays I'll see how your more recent activity changes that. I thought it was implied in "one sketchy motherfucker", but alas. tehpoofter finds you neutral. I'm going to have to re-examine some of his words, I believe that conversation we had was unfinished and unresolved. So in total, we have one mostly green read (gum), two neutrals (poofter and mderg, and balla), and one red read (sentinel). Rayn's own town read, like gum's was association due to tunneling at that point. I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case. If you had the patience to read the end you would know that once again, sentinel didn't call anyone out. I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case. He just laid some facts down for us, how thoughtful of him. Finally, he accuses his first player as scum. On April 04 2014 06:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: @Steve Afk. Making up a few essays I missed due to a business conference last week. That whole post I made wasn't saying you're scum because of semantics/tunnel. This is what I was saying: - Your argument on rayn is flawed, X Y and Z are the specific flaws - Your judgment of rayn's actions is wrong because you're drawing from a point in the game where gum and rayn weren't thinking clearly You're scum because: - You spent a while tunneling rayn based on a flawed argument which I perceive as contrived - Up until your prplhz argument was finally pushed out, you spent the time between your first red case on rayn and your case on prplhz tunneling rayn and not looking for other scum or any other discussion. It's not that you tunneled, it's that you tunneled badly, and unlike gum it's a lot harder to find the markings of bad town play. After he had some sweet scouting time, to see if I'd be everyone's favorite victim he decided that yes, I'm good enough to blame without him taking heat for it. He hasn't said anything about scum before, he just straight up jumps on an accusation. His accusation is arguably against the easiest target in the game by that point, me. Then there's something very weird, I thought upon reading it that I accidentally skipped some posts but no. He votes for ##coagulation without explaining why. Sentinel&page=3]page3 on his filter, pls see for yourselves. He hasn't mentioned coag literally not even once in his filter, besides his early post "buhu, my cell is so unreadable, poor me". Note that he does that only after other people paint coag red, like gumshoe and slam. Aaand that's all. I won't yet yell he's the scum in there, simply because I haven't yet filtered palmar and coag. But his play is ultra super scummy. | ||
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