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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 04 2014 09:33 GMT
#1861
-kush
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 09:49 GMT
#1862
Um, did rayn just got himself modkilled or am I still dreaming?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 04 2014 09:53 GMT
#1863
On April 04 2014 18:49 Steveling wrote:
Um, did rayn just got himself modkilled or am I still dreaming?


Is it a wet dream?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 09:57 GMT
#1864
I don't understand.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 09:57 GMT
#1865
I mean what happened not your question, lol.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 09:59 GMT
#1866
On April 04 2014 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
IAMDRUNKSTERSTFU`?!"""""Q DC

waht?

WHAT IS UP?

~raybnnn



Nvm got it, woah.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 10:09 GMT
#1867
Um, whatever, I guess?
Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first?

Anyone here?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 04 2014 10:19 GMT
#1868
yo
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 04 2014 10:23 GMT
#1869
On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote:
Um, whatever, I guess?
Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first?

Anyone here?

I am here.

I would 100% want to lynch coag in a normal game but I´m not completely sure about this here.

Sentinel looks pretty neutral to me. My point about his inconsistency looks kinda stupid now.

Palmar seems pretty town right now. I can´t read him perfectly but I can´t see anything scummy from him and everybody seems to read him as town.



Right now I´d go with coag because he did nothing that would indicate him being town. He did almost nothing in general, though. So there´s nothing that´s comfirming him as scum.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 10:25 GMT
#1870
I agree with that last part mderg.
But I'm filtering sentinel as we speak, wait some.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 04 2014 10:29 GMT
#1871
On April 04 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote:
I mean what happened not your question, lol.

rayn got drunk, it was hilarious.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 04 2014 10:38 GMT
#1872
On April 04 2014 18:33 Coagulation wrote:
First of all, let me apologize for not being involved with this game at all. But that is part of the beauty of a hydra. Except also it's really annoying playing a hydra and a non hydra game on at the same time. I literally don't know my password for anything anymore, and my browser is not saving them for some reason! I have to try like 5 passwords every time i want to log in anywhere.

Anyway why the fuck are you voting coag? I read our filter and he is basically the towniest I have ever seen him.

LOOK AT THIS GEM
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 11:46 Coagulation wrote:
hes wiffle waffling and super over defensive and hes upset rayn who is cinfirmed scum quit. ezpz


There is more scumhunting concentrated in that sentence than in palmar's entire filter probably.

Also what the fuck is a cell?


Feel free to play the game Kush. You know I'm going to lynch you if you don't. I know you hate doing this but if you want to not get lynched you need to put in effort.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 04 2014 10:47 GMT
#1873
Holyflare why are you not playing this game like at all?
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 04 2014 10:49 GMT
#1874
On April 04 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote:
Holyflare why are you not playing this game like at all?


rayn modkill/catastrophe/lack of caring at modkill situation after spending 2 days talking about that cell
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 04 2014 10:50 GMT
#1875
On April 04 2014 18:08 getmoript wrote:
So I couldn't find any more games from UoN other than:
Extratctor Trick
Resistence 3
[red]LXII
I actually wish I had 2-3 more games at at least 1 more scum game to compare it to. The first major thing I noticed that's different from the town games Sen'ts posts have been is that in both of those games a large amount of his filter is short posts, mostly 1-2 line posts with very few if any big posts. Conversely, as scum he has these very large almost summary posts. From a purely perusal standpoint without actually reading much into it, I just want to lynch Sent.

So you want to lynch me because I make big posts? lol

The reason I didn't post much in Resistance is because I was on my phone for nearly the whole game:

On December 30 2013 11:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Ooooh ok.

Well, guys, I'll be here for the voting deadline, but I won't be around for the majority of the nightphase. I'm leaving on vacation in two days, and I'll be phoneposting for the entirety of Day 2 and the first bit of Day 3. I'll have a lot of time on my hands in the evenings and I'll still be able to keep track of this game since there's only nine of us, but just as a forewarning.


On January 01 2014 00:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm on the road now, phone posting for the next 4 days


I can't make huge cases on my phone because the screen is way too small for me to format quotes and all that stuff.

Extractor was played simultaneously meaning I had the same problems.

Specifically, as town Sent seems to flow with the thread more if that makes any sense; ie. he interacts with it as it's going on. Where as as scum, he tries to lump everything together into one coherent point that people won't really talk about.

I'd say gumshoe was and is being talked about a lot, as is all of Cell 1. I'm simply offering my two cents.


When I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe, that really got to bothering me.
Specifically in how differently the points were laid out and how illogical they are.
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While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though

The first thing that really bothers me about this part of this post is how it doesn't go anywhere at all. He's 100% leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe both town and scum. Even more so, I hate how he comes up with his townread on gumshoe, "welp gumshoe as scum clearly wouldn't try to attact this much attention from town rayn. Instead he'd just try and push Rayn over the side or have Rayn bury Steve." But this is like exactly what gumshoe was doing, Gumshoe came up with a case on rayn; when said case went south, he screamed "Pants on Fire, I'm not scum because Steveling exists." This specifically bothers me because this looks like Sent just wants to create any reason to call Gumshoe town and move on. (Forgive me if I'm wrong on the timing of when Sent posted this but I'm not up to double checking that)

Did you read what you just quoted? I'm saying that gum is town, here is what town gum and scum gum would have done, and showing the more probable case is that gum is town. That's actually what my whole post was about.

I called gum town because when I looked at his play it was harder for me to understand why a scum would explicitly say "I don't care about your reads and I'm ignoring you" to one of the most sheep-able players in the game, and make himself that huge of a target. In my mind at least it makes a lot more sense if gum is simply a cavalier misguided townie.
Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.

Another thing that specifically bothered me here is that he's writing off Gumshoe as town for his consistency. People's reads never changing, moving or evolving tends to be seen as a scum trait not a bad town tell. Koshi specifically brought it up as a reason for suspecting me/cav. Here he's again leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe scum for his consistency while managing to call him town.[/quote]
I don't understand how sticking to your guns no matter what happens, and basically tunneling, is not a bad town trait. Sentinel]Here's a game where I did exactly that as town. It didn't go well, but I was still town.

Palmer. You don't have to read his other filters, but seriously look at them. It's almost obvious how differently Sent posts as scum and as town. I hate to say that I agree with Coag here but I actually think Coag's right on this one.

##unvote
##vote [UoN]Sentinel


It's 5 am here and I'm really sleepy, I'll get back to working on prplhz.


I'm leaving my options open because I'm not 100% sure gum is town. Look at all the points I made - gum's behavior in X Y and Z makes it look like town play but Y and Z are also trademarks of scum play. I simply picked bad town because it made more sense, but I could be wrong, and here's why.

I still love how you think I'm scum because I'm posting intelligently for once.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 04 2014 10:55 GMT
#1876
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling

Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg

Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation

Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam

Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro

this is where i'm at right now
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 04 2014 11:16 GMT
#1877
On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling

Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg

Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation

Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam

Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro

this is where i'm at right now

I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this.

You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 04 2014 11:24 GMT
#1878
On April 04 2014 20:16 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling

Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg

Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation

Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam

Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro

this is where i'm at right now

I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this.

You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2.


because:

1) rayn claimed scum
2) rayn's play was tunneled on gumshoe and his reads on other people were kinda thrown out there without more talking about them because he kept arguing with gumshoe etc etc
3) steveling modconfirmed town
4) gumshoe got flamed by rayn so hard when he was drunk it must mean that gumshoe is town


I don't know about being wrong on you because rayn had poofter as scum but he DID put out group almost last so that might make a lot of sense.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 04 2014 11:25 GMT
#1879
On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote:
Um, whatever, I guess?
Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first?

Anyone here?


This dude is one trillion percent confirmed scum.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 04 2014 11:25 GMT
#1880
Sentinel makes it absolutely crystal clear that he can't read palmar before even a quarter of the first day passes.

On April 02 2014 04:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 03:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Also, why do I have to get stuck with Palmar

I don't understand this. Explain the not happy face.

Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even.



On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:05 prplhz wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Also, why do I have to get stuck with Palmar

I don't understand this. Explain the not happy face.

Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even.

seriously? it's 50/50, right? how can that be so worrying?

Because lynching by coinflip is such a popular strategy on this site, right?



As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time, although Coag's not too unpredictable, kush you can usually see once you wade past all the bullshit, and Palmar... I'll think of something.


On April 02 2014 04:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?

~rayn

I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.

I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette).

So what's the problem? Palmar is also perfectly readable, if not to you to many other people. Regardless of if Coag is readable or not your group should be easy to figure out. If you are town why do you want to get yourself "out of the game"?

~rayn

Ups and downs. D2 I'll be a very happy person.

If you are in the "many other people", how does town Palmar differ from scum Palmar? In all my experience with him all I've seen is a monolith


You understand sentinel that in a mafia game you have to provide reads, no matter what, no matter your alignment.
Yet you take that stance towards the strongest player in your cell almost before the game even starts.
Definitely scum points here, you could be trying to get in his good side and give a good excuse to sheep him if he false reads your cell.


He agrees with me on an early dive on gumshoe.

On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first:

Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up:

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On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?

~rayn


Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.

~rayn


"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.

So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?

Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y.
In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches:
1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or
2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?



I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read.


As for your question,
2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?


While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though.


He then throws a light punch at me

On April 03 2014 08:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why wouldn't Steve have a definite red target in his own cell?


The same player that basically refused to comment on his cell is asking me why I can't make up my mind in our cell so early in the game, when even now, even after ryankoshi's modkill people are not sure of his alignment, lol.
Double standards much sentinel?
More scumpoints for this.


Later
On April 03 2014 11:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
A general impression from a quick skim of the 13 pages of roshi's filter:

If I had to distinguish between town rayn and scum rayn, is that rayn plays scum like CNN - seemingly factual, but carefully omitting anything that doesn't support it, and shifting away the attention before anyone starts asking "why?"

The case on gumshoe seems a bit myopic but legitimate, something I'd see coming from yamato more than rayn. Sure it's very detailed and sourced but it's almost to the point where rayn's letting his frustration with gum lead his argument instead of the other way around. More Fox than CNN.


He says raynkoshi's gumshoe case is so good and flawless that they have to be scum? what?
I like how he re-validates ryankoshi's legit points about gum but again he doesn't take a stance.
Fun fact, towards neither of the two.
And this was supposed to be a brief summary of his 13page filter dive on rayn, nice results sentinel, lmao.

Later he conveniently takes ryankoshi's side on a silly meta argument.

On April 03 2014 12:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 11:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 03 2014 11:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript calls himself "obvious town" and says "you should read me as town" only as mafia.

~rayn

A quick look at cultured mini mafia (where he was VT) brings me the opposite.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=confirmed&t=ct&f=-1&u=geript&gb=date&d=

A lot of references to geript being "confirmed town by rayn". Also in Boardwalk we see this too.

Examples:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=121#2404
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=131#2619
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=134#2669

multiple references in BW to being towny rather than "confirmed town", but point still stands -

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/403766-boardwalk-empire-mafia-pick-your-power?page=155#3100
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/403766-boardwalk-empire-mafia-pick-your-power?page=167#3324

Yeah in a situation where he actually should have been considered confirmed town.
120 pages into the game, not 24h into D1.... rofl Sentinel.

Go look at Survivor series.

~rayn


I'll actually concede that one to you.


Again, so flimsy, so immaterial, so neutral.


Sentinel's favorite mafia tactic emerges again

On April 03 2014 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)

Like I could make cases on all of you guys,
GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.

Tell me what scum gum's rationale would be for blatantly ignoring rayn's criticisms when rayn is one of the most sheep-able people on this forum.


More sheeping? And you base a read on gum saying that what he did was illogical because sheeping ryan would be the logical thing instead? Da faq


Later on he says that my anger burst about the oath thing was fake.
Even though he says that, again, he doesn't take a freaking stance. I literally haven't seen that before in any mafia games, xD.

And if you think that it wasn't legit sentinel you are basically calling me a retard for doing something so silly, because it would be silly to fake it no matter my alignment.


After ryan's and gum's oath thing, I had to examine why ryan did it. I made a case with the points I thought were valid.
Sentinel goes to sleep and his first post opening his day is against my ryan case.
He accuses me that I falsely counted my town reads and that ryan was a bigger towny than me.
Two things are wrong in his syllogism, first, the semantics he explains are firmly applicable to every other mafia player and not only me. Some people had me down as neutral and not as town, that goes for ryan too though, you didn't say that in your argument.
Second, my main point wasn't that I was more towny than rayn, it was that I was green enough, so that ryan would be scared of me taking gumshoe's side. You didn't address this at all.

The case he made against my case(why would a towny do that, instead of providing new thoughts), was pretty big.
Here I spoiler it + Show Spoiler +
On April 04 2014 05:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have to leave before deadline, but I'm voting for rayn. Steve's case is fundamentally flawed from the beginning:

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On April 03 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote:
There's only one question here, why did they do that? I couldn't think of anything until I read multiple posts while filtering regarding the reason that scumryankoshi did what they did and it dawned on me.

Here are some tidbits

On April 03 2014 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
To me it looks like Steve doesn't have a concrete scumread, only a strong townread and a neutral read that has to be scum due to process of elimination.


On April 03 2014 01:03 mderg wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
mderg,

Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read:
raynpelikonoshi
gumshoe
Steveling


Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).


On April 02 2014 22:28 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:
I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it.

Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember.

Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post.

Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion.
Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later.

I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation.

Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit

On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?

~rayn


Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.

~rayn


"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.

So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?

Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y.
In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches:
1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or
2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?



As for your question,
2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?


Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake.
You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1.


Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn.
Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you?
You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is?
Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games.
Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period.

You end up this post with

Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum.


Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already?

I like your comment on mderg

On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:
Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.

Geript

I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).


Tehpoofter

Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town


Holy

Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.


Rayn

I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.

It all fits!


Gumshoe

Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?

Balla

We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?


Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.


I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.
My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me.
He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.


All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.



I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool.



On April 02 2014 13:15 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 13:00 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 12:50 Balla24 wrote:
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On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:
Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending:

On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.


How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"?


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Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?

Rayn watcha think?


I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean.

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You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that.


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Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.


Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? .

Compare that to this.

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HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE????
rofl


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So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.


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Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz

~rayn


Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.

I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to.



On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.

I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to.


What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute.

It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing.


I backed off of Rayn after the fake case cause his response was fine, but Rayn came back for me and I explained why I lied. He then started hammering me as if he knew I was scum, whereas I was never certain of his alignment, only reasonably suspicious. He has always been far more suspect of me than I of him, I was just trying to read the guy whose in my group. Instead of talking shit Balla, show me proof that I was certain of Rayn's guilt before he was certain of mine and that I was more vocal about it.


The order of operations doesn't matter. Steveling has still done nothing, yet you are certain Rayn is mafia, and you call rayn scummy for being certain of you being mafia even though Steveling has done nothing.


On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.




On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve.


On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor?


To which ryankoshi answers,

On April 03 2014 01:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor?

I don't see the point.

-Koshi-


Ofc, you don't scum, ). Anyway, they also have a town read on me.

And finally here is what pieced it all together for me

On April 02 2014 19:14 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote:
Can't argue with that.

Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same?
And what do you think about me?

I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me.

I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused.

Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him.

I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict.

Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it.


Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"?


Palmar aks ryankoshi about my opinion on both ryankoshi and gumshoe.
Yes, as a matter of fact they do mind, not as town but as scum. They do care that I have not yet sided completely with them.
They do mind that there is a slight chance of me turning against them and siding with gum and they want none of this.
Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral and ryankoshi were crapping their pants because I wasn't that aggressive against gum.

So, they had to go back to gum's and mine filters to try and find the tinniest, silliest, most illogical thread of garbage excuse to try and do a 180 on gum and turn on me.
And they did exactly that, the oath excuse. (facepalm)


In the six posts that you call, in your words, "Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral", many arguments are either wrong or against you:

Two are from gumshoe, who considers you town but at the same time has been tunneling rayn. He actually mentioned here (in the Balla quote):

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gumshoe:

Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.


This isn't someone calling you town, this is someone tunneling rayn and saying that rayn is scum because from the two of you, you're the scummier one, yet he's still going after gum. Gum himself seems to have tripped over his argument - wouldn't it be a lot easier to implicate you than him, and thus more "convenient" to fight? You're labeled as green by association, because if rayn is scum as gum believes, you can't physically be scum. But again, gum's argument is flawed and not good evidence for your own.

Balla actually points this out. He's accusing you of doing nothing and gumshoe being too myopic to realize that. Which is correct, or was at that point in time at least. You're scummier than rayn, which means you're either null and gum is scum in his eyes, or the other way around.

The other gumshoe post of note is the one where he praises your game for being "riddled with uncertainty", which I previously said was relatively logical (i.e. he's not tunneling and you're approaching gum open-mindedly), although then I changed that to scummy because you didn't have a good stance and it was even evidenced in your read of rayn as town and gum as slightly town.

mderg finds you neutral - your dive of gumshoe might be towny according to him, but that would indicate the rest of your play is a little lacking, no?

I had a slight red read on you. I still do, and between schoolwork and essays I'll see how your more recent activity changes that. I thought it was implied in "one sketchy motherfucker", but alas.

tehpoofter finds you neutral. I'm going to have to re-examine some of his words, I believe that conversation we had was unfinished and unresolved.

So in total, we have one mostly green read (gum), two neutrals (poofter and mderg, and balla), and one red read (sentinel).

Rayn's own town read, like gum's was association due to tunneling at that point.



I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case.


If you had the patience to read the end you would know that once again, sentinel didn't call anyone out.

I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case.


He just laid some facts down for us, how thoughtful of him.

Finally, he accuses his first player as scum.

On April 04 2014 06:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
@Steve

Afk. Making up a few essays I missed due to a business conference last week.

That whole post I made wasn't saying you're scum because of semantics/tunnel. This is what I was saying:

- Your argument on rayn is flawed, X Y and Z are the specific flaws
- Your judgment of rayn's actions is wrong because you're drawing from a point in the game where gum and rayn weren't thinking clearly

You're scum because:

- You spent a while tunneling rayn based on a flawed argument which I perceive as contrived
- Up until your prplhz argument was finally pushed out, you spent the time between your first red case on rayn and your case on prplhz tunneling rayn and not looking for other scum or any other discussion. It's not that you tunneled, it's that you tunneled badly, and unlike gum it's a lot harder to find the markings of bad town play.


After he had some sweet scouting time, to see if I'd be everyone's favorite victim he decided that yes, I'm good enough to blame without him taking heat for it.
He hasn't said anything about scum before, he just straight up jumps on an accusation.
His accusation is arguably against the easiest target in the game by that point, me.


Then there's something very weird, I thought upon reading it that I accidentally skipped some posts but no.
He votes for ##coagulation without explaining why.
Sentinel&page=3]page3 on his filter, pls see for yourselves.
He hasn't mentioned coag literally not even once in his filter, besides his early post "buhu, my cell is so unreadable, poor me".


Note that he does that only after other people paint coag red, like gumshoe and slam.

Aaand that's all.
I won't yet yell he's the scum in there, simply because I haven't yet filtered palmar and coag.
But his play is ultra super scummy.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
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