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On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient.
There is actually a disaster situation where BM is scum "injustice vigi" who shoots town, Sinani is scum vote rigger covered by godfather, and yamato/shelvocke are BOTH traitors. Then we lose to 2x NK, then Vote rig, then 2x NK.
Buuuuut thats not likely.
Still, inventing KP does prevent it 
TBH inventing KP seems fine to me, so long as BC lets me and I can give it to somebody who won't go crazy with it (*cough* geript *cough). I'd say there is absolutely no chance you die tonight Kei given that you can't recieve inventions and you have the weakest cop check around atm (except maybe mocsta).
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On April 13 2013 02:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. Maybe, if it was given to a suspect that we aren't checking tonight. Like Shelvocke? And as long as he listens to town on who to shoot. I still think its silly to throw away townies just for a check though. Why not just have a check? :o
Because there's a dude that flipped having "gf" as a role extra. Nothing to say other mafia can't get that addition too.
Imagine you end up with 10 people and greenchecks on all of them. Then you suddenly wish you had a gun.
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On April 13 2013 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. There is actually a disaster situation where BM is scum "injustice vigi" who shoots town, Sinani is scum vote rigger covered by godfather, and yamato/shelvocke are BOTH traitors. Then we lose to 2x NK, then Vote rig, then 2x NK. Buuuuut thats not likely. Still, inventing KP does prevent it TBH inventing KP seems fine to me, so long as BC lets me and I can give it to somebody who won't go crazy with it (*cough* geript *cough). I'd say there is absolutely no chance you die tonight Kei given that you can't recieve inventions and you have the weakest cop check around atm (except maybe mocsta).
Well, hopefully I don't. But people listen to me, which is just as dangerous, if not moreso, than a check.
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Look, I've made this point all day 2. People have been treating Sn0 as confirmed town for doing fuck nothing all game. But because he got a "green check" that makes him confirmed town... Fuck that. I caught and outed VE on D0. Before we could even vote. Of course I want to be considered confirmed town for that. Of course I'm pissed that people have denied me that. As Scum is there any serious reason for my D2 play? Has my play fit my town meta? Has my play in any way resembled the last game?
It's obvious that I'm pissed off towny. There's no reason for me not to blend D2 as scum. None. I could likely have made weak cases and got ignored all game. I wish I were NRA agent so anyone dumb enough to check me would get the fate they deserve for stupidity.
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On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention.
All the more reason to give it to me.
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On April 13 2013 02:18 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:15 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. Maybe, if it was given to a suspect that we aren't checking tonight. Like Shelvocke? And as long as he listens to town on who to shoot. I still think its silly to throw away townies just for a check though. Why not just have a check? :o Because there's a dude that flipped having "gf" as a role extra. Nothing to say other mafia can't get that addition too. Imagine you end up with 10 people and greenchecks on all of them. Then you suddenly wish you had a gun.
The reason I'm not quite as worried about this is that I think there's a decent chance our last scum is between one of Mocsta and S&B. Why, you ask?
Because Sharrant had a good point. Why did scum pick Assassin without a way to check roles? Did they just hope to get enough roleclaims to keep shooting? That is possible, but it seems like a poor picking strategy as scum to rely on town to do something that it doesn't necessarily want to do.
Also, I have no reason to believe that different theme character classes can get the same bonuses. At least not at this point. Assassin was probably the "gangster" archetype. Neither capitalist or DT would be. *MAYBE* they would for some reason get a GF bonus, but I kind of doubt it.
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Lol wtf does geript smoke where he comes from???
The ideas are simply ridiculous.
Vivax check Mocsta
BM shoot Vivax
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On April 13 2013 02:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. All the more reason to give it to me.
You dying to green check me again doesn't further our cause at all.
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On April 13 2013 02:21 geript wrote:
Look, I've made this point all day 2. People have been treating Sn0 as confirmed town for doing fuck nothing all game. But because he got a "green check" that makes him confirmed town... Fuck that. I caught and outed VE on D0. Before we could even vote. Of course I want to be considered confirmed town for that. Of course I'm pissed that people have denied me that. As Scum is there any serious reason for my D2 play? Has my play fit my town meta? Has my play in any way resembled the last game?
It's obvious that I'm pissed off towny. There's no reason for me not to blend D2 as scum. None. I could likely have made weak cases and got ignored all game. I wish I were NRA agent so anyone dumb enough to check me would get the fate they deserve for stupidity.
I've given you like 10 reasons why sn0 is town. And it has nothing to do with the green check, that was just icing on top of the cake.
You just keep harping that he isn't treating you like confirmed town so he must be scum. It doesn't work like that. Get over it.
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Geript also has an unexplainable hard-on for mocsta.
BM should shoot himself.
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Anyways, I have to take off for a few hours. Don't self destruct while I'm gone please.
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Fine, I'm not voting with you tomorrow period.
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On April 13 2013 02:30 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I have to take off for a few hours. Don't self destruct while I'm gone please.
Don't worry I'll only destroy others
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Bouncing 1-shot compulsive justice vigi off of the hosts now.
Not really expecting an answer for a while tho.
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Make something that forces a guy to communicate in ms paint pictures all day long.
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PS
What do you guys think of double-lynch tomorrow? I'm pretty sure its a good idea plus it precludes the chance of us getting vote rigged since sinani can't use both. Thoughts?
Only problem is I don't think we KNOW about double lynch until the night-post (unlike the emperor version).
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On April 13 2013 02:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:18 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:15 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. Maybe, if it was given to a suspect that we aren't checking tonight. Like Shelvocke? And as long as he listens to town on who to shoot. I still think its silly to throw away townies just for a check though. Why not just have a check? :o Because there's a dude that flipped having "gf" as a role extra. Nothing to say other mafia can't get that addition too. Imagine you end up with 10 people and greenchecks on all of them. Then you suddenly wish you had a gun. The reason I'm not quite as worried about this is that I think there's a decent chance our last scum is between one of Mocsta and S&B. Why, you ask? Because Sharrant had a good point. Why did scum pick Assassin without a way to check roles? Did they just hope to get enough roleclaims to keep shooting? That is possible, but it seems like a poor picking strategy as scum to rely on town to do something that it doesn't necessarily want to do. Also, I have no reason to believe that different theme character classes can get the same bonuses. At least not at this point. Assassin was probably the "gangster" archetype. Neither capitalist or DT would be. *MAYBE* they would for some reason get a GF bonus, but I kind of doubt it.
I am aware of that argument and how it implicates snb.
Less so mocsta though, capitalist is not a role that can even get a bonus afaik. Since it's "multi-purpose", and not in one of the bonus-having categories.
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The correct play for town Sinani tomorrow is to vote rig altering exactly one vote but not changing the outcome. It removes the most scummy aspect of vote rigger.
I'm voting for Kei tomorrow because his claim could easily be bogus.
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On April 13 2013 02:39 geript wrote:
The correct play for town Sinani tomorrow is to vote rig altering exactly one vote but not changing the outcome. It removes the most scummy aspect of vote rigger.
I'm voting for Kei tomorrow because his claim could easily be bogus.
But his play is in no way scummy? Why not Vivax? Why not other dudes with bad claims?
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Ummm, given how M_Z *nuked* austin yesterday, I'd say its highly unlikely that scum would claim DT with a TOWN check on him. Before the nuke ofc. Austin was going to be the easiest (mis)lynch in history. No scum explanation for that. Kei is confirmed town to me.
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