On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
Wait
When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam?
Seriusly? Your his only scum read.
lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on
and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town
its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town
On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
Wait
When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam?
Seriusly? Your his only scum read.
lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on
and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town
its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town
Lol coagguss
U r scum with rayn
Why cant he just be Coag?
Coag is no fool
And he isn't Rayn's bithc either. He know though this Alakaslam ez LHF
So ez push ez win
But
Town he knows probabilities not like this. He would simply be hush, in setup like tgis
Also, as a CHUPAZI of OMGUS, he flies above, dropping the turdz*, & stuff. He dropped a turd with the "policy lynch"- he knows the setup he knows you don't policy here
On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
Wait
When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam?
Seriusly? Your his only scum read.
lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on
and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town
its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town
Lol coagguss
U r scum with rayn
Why cant he just be Coag?
Coag is no fool
And he isn't Rayn's bithc either. He know though this Alakaslam ez LHF
So ez push ez win
But
Town he knows probabilities not like this. He would simply be hush, in setup like tgis
Also, as a CHUPAZI of OMGUS, he flies above, dropping the turdz*, & stuff. He dropped a turd with the "policy lynch"- he knows the setup he knows you don't policy here
Dasrite folks he call us the fools he does
You are a wonderful human bieng Slam :D please keep talking, any other reads on stuff? Do you think theres a chance Rayn is town?
On April 04 2014 08:06 mderg wrote: Something I noticed rereading sentinels filter:
I'm in agreement with prplhz's idea to get rid of unreadable players first because it allows more information for later days in the game. So get rid of 3/4, which I consider unreadable. Or I guess if I'm the one specifically making the reads from my position in group 3, then 4.
I feel like I have Cell 1 especially figured out the most.
I'm fine w/ 3 and I don't mind 1 being early as well because like LSB said it's a good jumping-off point for moving the discussion later on
Pretty inconsistent play by sentinel, if you ask me. Why would you want a cell you have figured out to be up early on, if you think unreadable cells should go first?
You realize my cell is first? I'd rather get my honest thoughts out while I'm still alive, and then it won't be swept under the rug by the time Cell 1 is first.
Furthermore, where are your timestamps? Why did you not use the quote button? I like arguments that properly cite their sources.
First quote: April 01 2014 20:30 GMT (+00:00) (first hour of Day 1) Second quote: April 03 2014 21:59 GMT (+00:00) (1 hour before end of Day 1) Third quote: April 03 2014 22:29 GMT (+00:00) (30 minutes before end of Day 1)
You're telling me I can't change my mind in 48 hours, especially as people give insight/reasoning about the setup and help me think in different ways?
I must admit I didn´t look at the times of your posts. Changes quite a lot.
On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
red: based on what? You haven't even mentioned sentinel except for once when you called him resoundingly null. Since then he became super town? blue: That's an associative read, not to mention you've given yourself the parameters that make me mafia before actually going and looking at what I've said.
On April 04 2014 12:55 Coagulation wrote: wat a fucking joke. yeah ok guys if everyone placeholders a vote on coag its really a coag lynch and u guys are being cowards about it.
Coag you haven't given me a single reason to actually think you're town. If you are town how about you start playing the game so we can actually get a feel for what you're thinking and why.
but i'm pretty sure rayn was mafia, he spent 2 days attacking gumshoe while offhandedly saying other people were scum but not talking so much about it, he said "haha holyflare" and something about palmar which means we were wrong about him etc etc
So I couldn't find any more games from UoN other than: Extratctor Trick Resistence 3 [red]LXII I actually wish I had 2-3 more games at at least 1 more scum game to compare it to. The first major thing I noticed that's different from the town games Sen'ts posts have been is that in both of those games a large amount of his filter is short posts, mostly 1-2 line posts with very few if any big posts. Conversely, as scum he has these very large almost summary posts. From a purely perusal standpoint without actually reading much into it, I just want to lynch Sent. Specifically, as town Sent seems to flow with the thread more if that makes any sense; ie. he interacts with it as it's going on. Where as as scum, he tries to lump everything together into one coherent point that people won't really talk about.
When I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe, that really got to bothering me. + Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first:
Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn
Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
~rayn
"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.
So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?
Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?
I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read.
As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?
While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though.
You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all
Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME. Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / :
Whats scummy about any of this?
Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own.
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote: I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it.
Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember.
Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post.
Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later.
I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation.
Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit
On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn
Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
~rayn
"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.
So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?
Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?
As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?
Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1.
Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period.
You end up this post with
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum.
Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already?
I like your comment on mderg
On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote: Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.
Geript
I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).
Tehpoofter
Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town
Holy
Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.
Rayn
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits!
Gumshoe
Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?
Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.
I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.
All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool.
This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play.
A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face.
Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.
Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum.
I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight.
@LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun.
Specifically in how differently the points were laid out and how illogical they are.
While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though
The first thing that really bothers me about this part of this post is how it doesn't go anywhere at all. He's 100% leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe both town and scum. Even more so, I hate how he comes up with his townread on gumshoe, "welp gumshoe as scum clearly wouldn't try to attact this much attention from town rayn. Instead he'd just try and push Rayn over the side or have Rayn bury Steve." But this is like exactly what gumshoe was doing, Gumshoe came up with a case on rayn; when said case went south, he screamed "Pants on Fire, I'm not scum because Steveling exists." This specifically bothers me because this looks like Sent just wants to create any reason to call Gumshoe town and move on. (Forgive me if I'm wrong on the timing of when Sent posted this but I'm not up to double checking that)
Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.
Another thing that specifically bothered me here is that he's writing off Gumshoe as town for his consistency. People's reads never changing, moving or evolving tends to be seen as a scum trait not a bad town tell. Koshi specifically brought it up as a reason for suspecting me/cav. Here he's again leaving his options open for calling Gumshoe scum for his consistency while managing to call him town.
Palmer. You don't have to read his other filters, but seriously look at them. It's almost obvious how differently Sent posts as scum and as town. I hate to say that I agree with Coag here but I actually think Coag's right on this one.
##unvote ##vote [UoN]Sentinel
It's 5 am here and I'm really sleepy, I'll get back to working on prplhz.
On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote: Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
red: based on what? You haven't even mentioned sentinel except for once when you called him resoundingly null. Since then he became super town? blue: That's an associative read, not to mention you've given yourself the parameters that make me mafia before actually going and looking at what I've said.
It's funny that you bring up this point. Banks knows how much I hate associative tells and things. I really hate going off into iffen land, but the whole time I was reading Sent's big post on Gumshoe I couldn't help but feel like it was scum defending scum. Mainly because when scum defends town, they generally put their foot down on it and make a hard stance. But his big post on Gumshoe was very careful to leave him room to later call him scum. Then he jumped all over Steve at the first opportunity. Even without having reread gumshoe yet, if Sent flips scum I'm really tempted to lynch gumshoe on that.
First of all, let me apologize for not being involved with this game at all. But that is part of the beauty of a hydra. Except also it's really annoying playing a hydra and a non hydra game on at the same time. I literally don't know my password for anything anymore, and my browser is not saving them for some reason! I have to try like 5 passwords every time i want to log in anywhere.
Anyway why the fuck are you voting coag? I read our filter and he is basically the towniest I have ever seen him.
LOOK AT THIS GEM
On April 04 2014 11:46 Coagulation wrote: hes wiffle waffling and super over defensive and hes upset rayn who is cinfirmed scum quit. ezpz
There is more scumhunting concentrated in that sentence than in palmar's entire filter probably.
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have openly attacked mderg.
