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Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
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FYI I'm using Coag as a vote warmer for now as I really do hope hes scum, but yeah, not rulling out Plamar, only sent seems clean to me.
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On April 04 2014 11:50 Coagulation wrote:
votes me before i even respond cAause he aint lookin to read me just kill
Do you think you look townier than Palmar? Answer honestly please.
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Also Coag, you say you know Rayn is scum, sent pushed Rayn and called me town before all this bullshit, does that not clear him?
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how do you play mafia here and dont understand scum bus
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On April 04 2014 12:09 Coagulation wrote:
how do you play mafia here and dont understand scum bus
What reason is there to bus? Sents word carries weight, Rayn was in the best position still despite everything that went down (we did vote him for mayor you know) what point is there to working against your team in the group your most likely to win?
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On April 04 2014 11:57 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 11:50 Coagulation wrote:
votes me before i even respond cAause he aint lookin to read me just kill Do you think you look townier than Palmar? Answer honestly please.
Coag? answer?
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On April 04 2014 11:56 gumshoe wrote:
FYI I'm using Coag as a vote warmer for now as I really do hope hes scum, but yeah, not rulling out Plamar, only sent seems clean to me.
This as well. I'll get to both Palmar and poofter tomorrow.
On April 04 2014 11:52 Coagulation wrote:
ur scum play is pretty obv sent sorry but im not answering ur questions
Well, here are some questions for you to not-answer, by which I mean not-give me more than a single line about each:
- Why is rayn scum?
- Why am I scum?
- Where am I wiffle-waffling? Are you talking about mderg's three quotes that are 48 hours apart?
- How much of the thread have you read?
On April 04 2014 11:50 Coagulation wrote:
votes me before i even respond cAause he aint lookin to read me just kill
- What did you want to respond about? You didn't take too long to read, your filter is extremely short and takes about 5-10 minutes to fully process.
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wat a fucking joke. yeah ok guys if everyone placeholders a vote on coag its really a coag lynch and u guys are being cowards about it.
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w/e this is my last post. town deserves to lose so i dont even feel bad
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Okay, I figure I should just post my case on rayn now anyway since people still aren't sure of his alignment.
Alright, I've only played 3 games here. I might as well just get that out of the way since my early reads were, to put it lightly, kind of shit. However, the coincidence here is that rayn was around and spectating or taking part in every single one of those games. He knows exactly what kind of play I am capable of, namely that it's well-written but poorly thought out because, as stated, I'm new and kinda derp.
This evidence, on its own, really isn't that convincing. However, what could be interesting is that during my two NMM games (one of which he was my coach for) I was lynched day 1. He knows that I can be a liability. He knows I'm not great at defending myself. Ergo, pushing me would be good for scum, especially since I rolled town.
Now, the issue here is that these two pieces of evidence really aren't that great by themselves. The thing that really ties everything together is how he addressed my general shittiness in this game and in Cultured. In Cultured, he rolled town. I didn't really talk much day 1 then either, and he made this post:
If you are new it does not mean you are worse than annyone else in this game. You will be listened as much as anyone else and your opinion is as valuable as anyone else's. The worst thing you can do (AS TOWN) is to fear that you will get mislynched because other people are more experienced than you are and you fuck up or something. Being wrong is not scummy, not willing to patricipate however is.
Please guys, give your opinions and participate more.
Now in this game:
So why does purplehaze who is your "YOLOSWAG 100% SCUM" look more scummy than Cavalinho who has said absolutely nothing? And why is Cavalinho scared? Newbie mafia = usually scared. town!Cavalinho is not scared to voice his opinion.
~rayn
There is a huge difference in regarding my day 1 play in these two posts. Town!rayn is almost always concerned with getting more information into the thread at any cost. Scum!rayn obviously does not give a shit. There is actually a blatant lie in there that involves how I'm supposedly scared to voice my opinion (which I did earlier this game, even though it was bad). He is looking for the best player to push in our cell, and apparently that's me because G went and gave me control of this game for the most part.
Rayn was mafia. That's my 100% shit analysis, you can take it or leave it.
~Cav
(also patricipate lol)
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On April 04 2014 12:55 Coagulation wrote:
wat a fucking joke. yeah ok guys if everyone placeholders a vote on coag its really a coag lynch and u guys are being cowards about it.
Coag, please answer all my questions, dont fight me if your town T_T does this help?
##Unvote
First things first, I need you realize that Sent is town, it was Plam who was wrong about my alignment and probally Rayns. Also this
Tehpoofter
Do you think Coag is capable of giving up as town?
Palmer
Yes
This doesn't mesh well with this / :
I'm not going to wifom myself into thinking you really don't give a shit as town.
This is a clear contradiction and I really dont think he cares about this lynch so long as it's not on him. Which is why hes so eager to hide behind a "if hes town, he deserves to get lynched" mentality.
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On April 04 2014 12:57 Coagulation wrote:
w/e this is my last post. town deserves to lose so i dont even feel bad
nooooo come back T_T
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On April 02 2014 07:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:16 prplhz wrote:On April 02 2014 07:12 Palmar wrote:
how about you guys just let me be the major, and then I select my group to go first?
Also sentinel why do you think I'm unreadable? I'm like one of the most easy players on TL to read. you know, you can make reads on d1 even if you're not up for lynch on d1. Sure, but it feels a lot easier to just have to read two filters really. I like the attention.
Something to think about: Why does Palmar seem like he doesn't care what happens in other groups at all, he just wants his own done without contributing to the others. Is this really how a townie would approach this game? Even though it may seem like it, this setup has more to it than just a bo5 lylos, they're all connected to each other instead of being separate.
General note: rayn's frustration seems genuine. + for advocating for what actually wins us the game, lynching scum
If we can lynch scum, we lynch scum. Don't like gumshoe's post regarding the issue, as demonstrated in the following quotes:
On April 02 2014 07:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:42 Palmar wrote:
I like the redundant ~rayn part of your posts.
I'm okay with going in on day 1 with my group. It's by far my best day anyway. THANK YOU. Dammit why dont other people get this? Because should not be decided right now. D2 can be set in stone. D1 can't. D1 should be the group that has 2 people that are incredible easy to read as town and are confirmed town. I think discussing a D1 lynch group should be done after 35h in this game. That is exceptionally optimistic of you Rayn to think well catch scum easy before day 1, but honestly if were playing it that way, day 1 should be someone whose alignment we need to know the most, not someone whose guaranteed scum, I mean if your so certain geript is mafia just put him in slot 3(so hes at least guaranteed to be killed before town loses) and have 1 and 2 reserved for people with large influence but questionable loyalties. seriously bro? Not guaranteed scum? D1 is not some fucking egotripping lynch in which we lynch the loudest townie who thinks he fucking solved the game. Which you seem to indicate. If anything we lynch scum in the group of the best D1 player in the game and are guaranteed that he and the third are townies and giving an honest opinion. Which goes back to LYNCH FUCKING SCUM AND NOTHING ELSE.
General note: Confused about why Alakaslam is being considered the only option for scum without having really done anything. It's certainly not a pro-town trait, but at this point I don't think LSB & Balla have confirmed themselves as town either. (Given they do look better for having posted to some extent alone.)
On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:
I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read.
Not liking this post by gumshoe at all. "I faked something since I wanted to see your reaction" is probably one of the things I use most as scum, especially if I'm having trouble covering up something. The other situation where I use it a lot is if I'm trying to make everyone believe in some nonexistant super plan due to whatever reason -> also when I'm lying. This is a personal feeling due to the way I use it in my play, but I feel it's scummy. I don't really see how the latter part in his post changes if we assume rayn to be town instead of scum either. He'd still have to consider whether gumshoe was being genuine or if he picked up on something.
On April 02 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
So looking at this setup when it was first announced I really wanted to roll scum in it because its really scum favored. I think in this setup the ideal play for scum would be to just make cases on people in their own cell and try to get one of them either read as town or more ideally read as scum early and often. As scum you basically do your job if you accomplish a misslynch on the day your cell comes up for lynch. I therefore think that it is not very advantageous for people to say anything about people in their own cells cause as town the way we can win is by making connections between people in different cells. So I will be posting and making reads on the people outside of my cell only until it comes time for my cell to be up for debate then obviously I will make my reads known on them at that point but I think before then having to establish connections and conversations with those outside of your cell is the best plan for town and those not doing so will lean more scummy to me.
Don't like this post. If you reverse the logic, that would be saying that a townie's job is done if they manage to find the scum in their own group. It's a good result, but it doesn't mean one couldn't do better. As he says we do need connections between people in different cells. But I think there is a higher chance of those connections to be made if the discussion involves both their own group and others. More information and opinions is rarely detrimental for town. Waiting till your own cell is up for debate is fine if you're in the last group, but if you end up being in the first group, your opinions are extremely crucial. Even though for everyone outside the group the chances are 33/33/33, the 50/50 chance from a player's perspective that is in the group automatically causes him to think differently about the situation, and is also reflected in the posts and thoughts. Which may enable others to pick up on something that they otherwise wouldn't have.
On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning.
You talk about how you find getmoript's entrance post scummy. You base your claim on "how the game is setup", but you don't explain your reasoning further. Then you talk about how if getmoript is scum and could get a town rayn thinking prplhz is the scum....
First off, you make a lot of assumptions here already. Secondarily, I personally can't see anything in getmoript's first post that would point towards him trying to make prplhz is scum. Even by process of elimination, if you were thinking that he's trying to establish himself to rayn as a townie by attacking him, there would be still both me and prplhz to choose from. I think your logic is flawed, and I think this comes from scum who hasn't quite thought things through enough.
On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game.?
By lynching confirmed scum you get more time to figure out the question marks. By lynching a question mark you may give the scum an advantage. Fact is, being up or down even one point in a Bo5 changes one's mindset on how to approach the game. We're here to lynch scum to win, not to see how many mislynches we can make and still win. Also, leaving someone that is certainly scum for later is always a bad idea. Wouldn't be the first time someone talks their way out of it, or manages to cause enough chaos for the townies to be mislead about the remaining scum.
On April 02 2014 09:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmmm... That would be
Does iOS7 go on the pads? Didn't know that.
Anyway what is your gameplan for attacking this problem of losing two town voices every lynch?
In fact is anyone considering that angle? A scum one is lost as well, so It feels like a problem that evens itself out honestly. Basically I dont think it's a factor that supersedes questionable alignment or outright scumminess(which is probally how we should considering the order, by who we need to flip the most in terms of information and results.)
That's actually a sentence by Alakaslam that I like a lot. And on the contrary, gumshoe's reaction to it I don't like at all.
The amount of town / mafia players goes like this:
10/5 - 8/4 - 6/3 - 4/2 - 2/1
3 2½ 2 1½ 1
With the lower number being the amount of town players voting wrong causing a mafia win. Now, we have to remember that this is assuming scum would all vote on someone else than their own members, which I don't see happening during the first rounds, since if a scum was lynched regardless, it'd make the majority of the remaining scum players look bad and make it an uphill battle for them. The thing is, even though the Town:Mafia ratio stays at a fixed 2:1 ratio, the number of players that need to be swayed towards the wrong opinion doesn't. I personally see the lategame quite scum-favoured, which is why in my opinion it's vital that we go for our surest lynch options for scum first.
On April 02 2014 10:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
I agree that if you can get the town read on someone in your group you should do that but I think the point is you should be evaluating publicly the people outside of your group because as scum you could just focus on your two people in the group and muddie up the thread with bs back and forth every day. I feel like today we should be reading everyone else and then each day focus on the cell at hand. I just want to avoid a situation where people focus only on our groups and town has no really good connections to work off. Basically right now you should be making your own notes on a case against people in your cell you think might be scum/town however you want to do it but not really letting those be known but focusing more on reading those outside of your cell because as town you will be making connections with no outside agenda. This makes the game harder for scum because they are forced to make connections they don't want to make and the only way town wins this game is through connections guaranteed.
And why should you hide reads about your own group? If you are town and have a correct read on one of the other two players in your cell as scum, and are able to be convincing enough, it forces the other scum to react or sack their teammate. How others react to your reads, especially if you have a strong read with good analysis & reasoning to back it up, can change the flow of the game quite a bit. I do agree that a back & forth bs is unneeded, but keeping your reads hidden doesn't really give us anything in this setup. (Unless you want to try and bait scum, by letting them think they are not under pressure, but trust me, that rarely ends up well, I've tried and failed enough to know.)
On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
Well yeah thats the best scenario and you SHOULD be making connections in your own group for sure like I'm reading you and the mderg guy but I think giving public opinions of your own cell during this day is silly. You should be sharing your views on people outside your cell if you find scum outside they bad ass lets get em boys!! but you should be making those connections public because that is harder for scum to do to openly talk about other group because they might have to talk to their scum teammates or give a strong read on them one way or the other something they would NEVER have to do talking about their own group. Its easy as both alignments to read your own group just find one person who is scummy or super townie and its solved but that doesn't help the rest of town. Inherently we have a 66% chance of lynching wrong each day and we have 5 days so if we random lynched every day we lose so building connections outside of your own group is important.
The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team.
Okay yeah, at this point this is just trying way too hard. Think about the pro-scum points of not talking about your own group.
One would not have to commit to faking a read on either of the two players, nor looking particularly townie since they'd be concentrating on the other groups only. As I mentioned before, I personally also believe that connections do need to be made to outside groups, but not at the cost of ignoring or keeping your reads about your own group secret. I think poofter is pushing this so hard to avoid having to commit into creating false reads at this point in the game, which could easily contradict him later. -> I believe that Tehpoofter is scum in Cell 2.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 10:51 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team. Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier. ~rayn I will read my group and am reading my group but posting about it today I find useless and if you don't want to do that thats your prerogative but I think its an awesome idea and I'm going to do it either way cause I think its way more townie to do so. I will give my reads come cell 2 lynch day.
This exchange in my opinion just confirms my thoughts, even after being explained by rayn why it's a bad idea to keep the reads to yourself, he insists on not doing that.
On April 02 2014 11:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:54 Holyflare wrote:
Comment on what you think of mdergs. You just said we should auto lynch 100% scum and your read on him weighs into that.
I will not be commenting on what I think you or mderg's alignment is until its day 2's lynch day. I'm looking for scum elsewhere.
... And more of the same. Let's look at this with an example. Your mission is to find a red ball. Do you pick from the basket that has 1 red, and 1 blue ball (50%), or do you pick from a big basket that has 4 red balls and 8 blue balls (33%).
Exactly. Yet he for some reason insists on ignoring the smaller basket completely for now.
On April 02 2014 11:25 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Nobody is asking you to comment ONLY on your group.
We are asking you to comment on your group AND OTHER GROUPS, because we have 5 groups where each one has one mafia. If you are mafia you need to make up a shit read one one person in your group, so yes, it's fucking scummy to not comment on your own group.
~rayn
^ Rayn summarizes my thoughts quite well shortly afterwards.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 11:34 Tehpoofter wrote:@balla. I read rayn as town and he has read Slam well in the games I've seen and both of them have stated that rayn reads Slam well. So I was saying that I read Slam as town from those couple posts and was asking rayn what he thought of that. He then posted after that Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown).
~rayn I decided since I was wrong about slam in the titanic game and rayn was very quickly able to determine his alignment as town and I read rayn as town I was going to put him in my leaning scum pile because I feel rayn has more experience and better accuracy than me at reading slam. Also I'm still reading you guys filters Finished yours and reading LSB now.
^ Poofter sheeping the player that doesn't pressure him to death even though given the possibility.
Note: Could be rayn trying to help his scumbuddy with the "Look, you might be fellow town, do you see why this is scummy?"-act. Although at the moment I find gumshoe much more likely to be scum (haven't heard enough from Steveling yet), this possibility shouldn't be forgotten.
Note: gumshoe's case on rayn: I'm having a hard time seeing rayn go that far just to direct one mislynch this early on the game, the general tone of his posts doesn't seem very scummy to me either, so I don't agree with the case.
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Cephiro, Rayn has gone that far to make me look scummy, that was the entire point of my case. He literally did just that in Witch craft. Also, he claimed scum / : soooooo yeah.
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I think Cephiro is town, this entire post is totally outdated and indicates that he lives in his own bubble. If he was scum hed be far more likely to be up to date/coached enough not to make an awkward post like this.
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Prplz is scum, Geripts group ez ez.
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Anyways, Im done for tonight, gl town T_T later
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On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote:
Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T.
Wait
When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam?
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On April 04 2014 13:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 11:54 gumshoe wrote:
Hmm Coag is silly, as per usual, question is he scum / :
I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn.
##Vote: Coagulation
Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows.
Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T. Wait When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam?
Seriusly? Your his only scum read.
lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on
and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town
its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town
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