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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 03 2014 20:47 GMT
#1834
I don't get that tehpoofter vote.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 03 2014 21:20 GMT
#1875
We might consider a mass claim at this point (during the Day though) cause 3 blues are already outed.

I think we can discuss the order in which people should claim during this night and whatever other stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 03 2014 21:21 GMT
#1877
Kinda sucks without a doctor though, the DT should ideally not claim :|
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 18:42 GMT
#1934
JarJar, do you agree on claiming what you did in resolution period in order to prepare for the massclaim we should probably do? The damage is done, scum knows you're blue if you're town and I think I might be the NK.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 18:53 GMT
#1940
Also I would like if people took a look at thrawn and gave me their opinion cause I got the feelingz he might be mafia.

Toad mentioned this post earlier to argue he's mafia:

On April 01 2014 04:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys, fyi i wont be here till 30 min before deadline

i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn.

as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that


Thrawn at this point had asked kita some stuff, then townread him, then said he got feelings that he could be mafia, then when rayn's lynch approaches he argues saying he WOULD lynch kita for the push on rayn, which as Toad already said is dumb when you don't know alignments, but he doesn't cause of the trap play.

I checked the post where kita explains his trap and the base upon which thrawn townreads him, but I still want to hear what thrawn's reasoning was for scumreading him before that post.

Anyway reading more on thrawn but he deserves a closer look. I also don't get how he got to wanting to lynch kita and Toad yesterday. No reasons given. Only "I would"
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:01 GMT
#1945
If I had to go for a guess at scumteam now it would be kita/thrawn/kush. Still gotta take a better look at poofter tough he also just popped in at deadline and wanted to lynch me previously.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:04 GMT
#1950
Somebody earlier said to be on the lookout for people being sure that slam is survivor. Now kush previously said he's inclined to believe he really is (but why?). Later though he keeps being sure of it, to the point of holding it against rayn.

Not damning, but close to the pattern of scum knowing Kasla's claim was real.

On March 30 2014 14:03 kushm4sta wrote:
So slam is either
1. survivor
2. scum lying about being survivor

im inclined to believe 1, knowing how alaka approaches playing scum.

unvote


On March 31 2014 02:04 kushm4sta wrote:
ryan
furthermore you continue to push a lynch on a claimed survivor because "he's not town."
I cannot understand this stance at all. It is not good play to lynch a survivor d1 and you know that.
And you are pushing this survivor lynch in lieu of scumhunting. As town you are primarily concerned with figuring out who scum are, which im not seeing this game.


Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:07 GMT
#1954
Austin how do you townread poofter? Would be nice if I could get him off the list of suspects.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:19 GMT
#1966
On April 05 2014 04:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@People saying kush is possible scum:

Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted.


No, I think scum might have rolenames like the other blues, just more scum oriented powers. Not cyberman leader or shit like that. If scum sees you fakeclaiming with their own rolename they get the justification to shoot you if they're a dayvig in that case.

In the resolution period or during the day I would like thrawn and kita to claim first. They will probably only comply if enough pressure is given.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:22 GMT
#1968
Are there people that thought my claim makes me town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:31 GMT
#1976
On April 05 2014 04:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:28 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:
[quote]Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.

Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?


yep
If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville?


no?
So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia?


I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes.


Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed?


If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure.
But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.
On April 04 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm down for kita or towd
30 minutes before lynch.





i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly


Reason?=
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:35 GMT
#1978
On March 31 2014 01:03 Amiko wrote:
If someone dies in the game, does the flip reveal their current role or any role history / alignment change the player had? If you won't answer that's ok.

Massclaim
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who's in for massclaiming?
Answer yes or no in your next post.

My answer is yes.


My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup.
If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on.


Other Questions
@anyone what is LHF?
@kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)?
[/i]

On March 31 2014 01:31 Amiko wrote:
[u]LHF
“LHF” It was from a slam post here-
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
Toad same question. Don't go slandering saying I still don't help town. I'm not gonna be an NK in that yeah I generally suxxor but apparently there is a meta I can't fight so ppl will know im town in time. On the other hand you guys blatantly LHF the first guy Rayn prods- note he didn't vote me himself!

Re: voting - I’m considering voting slam - I was rereading him (and saw LHF). I don’t want to vote Slam right now, though: there’s over a day left, slam is already getting pressured, and I’d rather lynch scum than 3rd party survivor.

Massclaim
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I guess this game is highly roled knowing it's Crossfire game and a closed setup with some sort of yak mechanic(s). In games where there are high number of roles massclaiming always benefits town. Always.

I agree with the first sentence. I don’t know all the Dr. Who lore but even light wiki + the game description suggests cybermen/scum can probably convert targets to become cybermen/scum.
I don’t see how massclaiming helps us, though. In an open setup, it immediately gives you pools of people to vote for – if two people claim cop, then you know one is lying. If more people claim VT than can be VT, you have a nice pool of people to lynch from and may confirm some of your power roles. In a closed setup, though, I am not sure how that is effective.

- People can fabricate all sorts of weird roles that may be real given the expansive dr. who universe;

- We are likely to lose power roles to at least two non-town parties (dalek/cybermen), maybe more;

- If a lot of people just claim VT, we don’t have a heuristic to determine how many VTs there can be

- Even if someone feels confirmed due to being the only one to claim a likely role (ex: Dr. Who/Amy/Rory/River who appear in xatalos’ post) the person doesn’t stay trustworthy because there are conversions.

So, I feel like we don’t gain anything from a massclaim. If I am wrong explain why. If there is a heavily flavored closed setups thread with a massclaim, I'm willing to skim it and reevaluate.



On April 05 2014 03:56 Amiko wrote:
JJD: I don't really know what to make of the hopeless comment. I thought I caught him in something, and maybe I did, but I don't know for sure. He became a central point of attention for me and I think my reads shifted n2 largely because of that.

Hopeless' claimed role is not useless at all from my point of view. If you feel differently let me know and I'll give some examples. I still don't like that he presented his checks initially as knowing that Rose visited his target when I feel like that's not a fair assumption to make. But, I agree... I don't think it can make him scum unless it's part of a more elaborate plan where you two confirm each other. It's possible but it feels too remote.

I've raised massclaiming repeatedly for two purposes. One, I think it's a better idea as the game goes on. I'll claim tonight, probably just before night ends.
Second, I thought mentioning massclaims would be an innocuous way to probe to see whether players were changing their minds. Converted players probably have to keep their reads somewhat consistent, but I figured they may be more likely to be open to massclaims.
As an aside, Kita was consistent. But, I still think he could be a cyberman/scum.


Amiko just out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on massclaiming?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 19:35 GMT
#1981
On April 05 2014 04:34 austinmcc wrote:
You were on kita with ~30 to go.

Posted you'd lynch kita or toad.

Swapped to toad 1 minute after that, with 32 minutes til lynch (in voting thread, no mention in main thread)

So you made the vote RIGHT AFTER SAYING YOU WANTED TO LYNCH KITA


And right before this you'd said kita was wrong on vivax, should be scumreading everyone based on his vivax logic, so you SHOULD be scummy on kita.

And now you're not sure about kita, when yesterday you were kita/toad, and toad was town, and kita hasn't really done anything, and this does not particularly make sense.


Wow
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#1995
Meh, now I'm not sure massclaiming is such amazing play any more. Scum can just claim VT
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:08 GMT
#1999
On April 05 2014 05:07 austinmcc wrote:
WRONG DOCTOR KITA


?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:14 GMT
#2009
On April 05 2014 05:13 kitaman27 wrote:
My biggest fear is that there is a 2nd third party doctor hunter or something -_-


Why 3p and not scum?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:18 GMT
#2012
The issue I have with hopeless still is this post btw:

On April 04 2014 05:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote:
Ok I thought you knew who we targetted :s.

And how did you get the conclusion that I'm mafia from that information?

I didnt, it was completely selfish information mongering. I was hoping to get you to claim who you targetted if you were liable to be lynched.


He's claiming that all he did in regards to me was to have me claim my target. But then there are posts like this where he suggests I'm scummy:

On April 03 2014 03:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
vivax are you scum with jjd?


2-I found Vivax to be asking a lot of questions and refusing to put up his own discussion. Since the game opened I feel like he's been casually painting me scum, but someone (maybe you or thrawn) said that the fact that he's doing stuff instead of not doing stuff probably points to him being town, so I kind of disregarded him. However i think his questions are really open-ended and basically kush hits things pretty square with this conversation:
On April 03 2014 13:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

Re: response to kita -> kush
1-I think you mean Vivax
2-I found Vivax to be asking a lot of questions and refusing to put up his own discussion. Since the game opened I feel like he's been casually painting me scum, but someone (maybe you or thrawn) said that the fact that he's doing stuff instead of not doing stuff probably points to him being town, so I kind of disregarded him. However i think his questions are really open-ended and basically kush hits things pretty square with this conversation:

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 10:57 Vivax wrote:
On April 03 2014 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax why are you interested in kitaman's interest in hopeless' read on you?


Cause the question like it is doesn't say anything about what kita thinks or what he wants to achieve with it?

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 11:01 kushm4sta wrote:
ah.. kind of like all of your questions that you have been constantly asking this entire game

It feels like Vivax is just quoting stuff and asking different people "and how does that make you feel?" like he's some glorified therapist.



Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:25 GMT
#2015
You won't die, austin, nor would you have yesterday cause I jailed you and did again.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:25 GMT
#2017
Now the question is what JJD was doing at your place and if scum sends someone to deliver KP.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22424 Posts
April 04 2014 20:31 GMT
#2022
I don't know if scum KP is delivered factionally, which makes my role a lot weaker actually cause I don't know if I can go for offensive jailing.
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