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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:07 Amiko wrote: Just to make sure, after the countdown above (for night actions) there will be one more hour in which we can talk because night is not over - correct? Yes, you can talk in the final hour before the deadline. Blue actions can't be changed during that time. Scum actions shouldn't be able to be changed during that time either, but I'm not sure if this is 100% the case, since typically scum have been able to change their actions until the deadline. Crossfire? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote: If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville? no? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:16 austinmcc wrote: If kita flips town, vivax is the reddest red in redville? lol I don't plan on flipping unless mafia shoots me based on my claim. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: @People saying kush is possible scum: Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted. No, I think scum might have rolenames like the other blues, just more scum oriented powers. Not cyberman leader or shit like that. If scum sees you fakeclaiming with their own rolename they get the justification to shoot you if they're a dayvig in that case. In the resolution period or during the day I would like thrawn and kita to claim first. They will probably only comply if enough pressure is given. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote: So vivax is town for the specific WAY he fought with kita? Not just for fighting with kita who you think is mafia? I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes. | ||
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Vivax
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't know if I think kita is mafia. but yes. Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:22 kitaman27 wrote: Well you wanted to lynch me yesterday and neither of us have posted much since then, so what changed? If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Despite saying he doesn't know kita well, hasn't played with the guy much. Just...look through kush's filter for kita and follow the trail. CURIOUS MAXIMUS. Kush ALSO fails to comment at all on hopeless/vivax/JJD, even though he's been pushing Vivax during the day and is scummy on vivax and voting him. But then he drops off Vivax for being "engaged and shit" on D2, and says he's overestimating Vivax's town game. (KUSH DID NOT POST WITHIN LIKE 4:30 OF LYNCH, THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS HOPELESS POSTING BUT NOT COMMENTING ON THINGS. BUT THE VIVAX STUFF IS ODD, THE WAY HE JUST DUMPS HIS READ) Kush tonight is possible scum on THRAWN, JJD, DJODREF, AMIKO, and POOFTER. Half the game is possible scum with no real reasoning. Then he jumps on Amiko for having "weak shit" to back up reads. Some of this play is just kush. I don't have a good meta grasp, have not gone back and read games, should do that if alive D3. Kush's townieness essentially just stems from the claim and shot, and I don't like sorting people's alignments based on roles, I have used that to great effect as scum in themed games myself. KP + sekrit voting are questionable town powers. Blah blah blah. Does anyone believe kush town/supertown based on NOT his role? We should chat! Because his filter raises some flags between his magically appearing N2 reads, all his stuff on Kita, and ... actually those are the biggest things for me. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:24 thrawn2112 wrote: But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.If I wanted to lynch you yesterday I wouldn't have switched back to toad. As I said, I'm not sure. On April 04 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: 30 minutes before lynch.i'm down for kita or towd | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
MAN, KITA'S N2 HAS BEEN SO TOWNIE, HE'S TOWNIE NOW ??????????? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:28 austinmcc wrote: But you wanted to lynch kita/toad.30 minutes before lynch. i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On April 05 2014 04:29 thrawn2112 wrote: i only held that opinion at the exact time I made that post. iirc i unvoted kita pretty quickly Reason?= | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Posted you'd lynch kita or toad. Swapped to toad 1 minute after that, with 32 minutes til lynch (in voting thread, no mention in main thread) So you made the vote RIGHT AFTER SAYING YOU WANTED TO LYNCH KITA And right before this you'd said kita was wrong on vivax, should be scumreading everyone based on his vivax logic, so you SHOULD be scummy on kita. And now you're not sure about kita, when yesterday you were kita/toad, and toad was town, and kita hasn't really done anything, and this does not particularly make sense. | ||
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Vivax
21682 Posts
On March 31 2014 01:03 Amiko wrote: [/i]If someone dies in the game, does the flip reveal their current role or any role history / alignment change the player had? If you won't answer that's ok. Massclaim My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup. If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on. Other Questions @anyone what is LHF? @kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)? On March 31 2014 01:31 Amiko wrote: [u]LHF “LHF” It was from a slam post here- Re: voting - I’m considering voting slam - I was rereading him (and saw LHF). I don’t want to vote Slam right now, though: there’s over a day left, slam is already getting pressured, and I’d rather lynch scum than 3rd party survivor. Massclaim I agree with the first sentence. I don’t know all the Dr. Who lore but even light wiki + the game description suggests cybermen/scum can probably convert targets to become cybermen/scum. I don’t see how massclaiming helps us, though. In an open setup, it immediately gives you pools of people to vote for – if two people claim cop, then you know one is lying. If more people claim VT than can be VT, you have a nice pool of people to lynch from and may confirm some of your power roles. In a closed setup, though, I am not sure how that is effective. - People can fabricate all sorts of weird roles that may be real given the expansive dr. who universe; - We are likely to lose power roles to at least two non-town parties (dalek/cybermen), maybe more; - If a lot of people just claim VT, we don’t have a heuristic to determine how many VTs there can be - Even if someone feels confirmed due to being the only one to claim a likely role (ex: Dr. Who/Amy/Rory/River who appear in xatalos’ post) the person doesn’t stay trustworthy because there are conversions. So, I feel like we don’t gain anything from a massclaim. If I am wrong explain why. If there is a heavily flavored closed setups thread with a massclaim, I'm willing to skim it and reevaluate. On April 05 2014 03:56 Amiko wrote: JJD: I don't really know what to make of the hopeless comment. I thought I caught him in something, and maybe I did, but I don't know for sure. He became a central point of attention for me and I think my reads shifted n2 largely because of that. Hopeless' claimed role is not useless at all from my point of view. If you feel differently let me know and I'll give some examples. I still don't like that he presented his checks initially as knowing that Rose visited his target when I feel like that's not a fair assumption to make. But, I agree... I don't think it can make him scum unless it's part of a more elaborate plan where you two confirm each other. It's possible but it feels too remote. I've raised massclaiming repeatedly for two purposes. One, I think it's a better idea as the game goes on. I'll claim tonight, probably just before night ends. Second, I thought mentioning massclaims would be an innocuous way to probe to see whether players were changing their minds. Converted players probably have to keep their reads somewhat consistent, but I figured they may be more likely to be open to massclaims. As an aside, Kita was consistent. But, I still think he could be a cyberman/scum. Amiko just out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on massclaiming? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
WANTED TO LYNCH KITA should read "WERE WILLING TO LYNCH KITA OR TOAD, WHICH PROBABLY MEANS YOU WERE SCUMMY ON KITA STILL" | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
reason for what? look I've never been sure about kita's alignment all game long. the times i've called him x or y alignment, i've never felt confident about it. he is the biggest question mark for me, because he generally talks in a townie way, but I always find his pushes to be.... beneath his ability? I've never read a kita case this game and thought "hmm, I agree with this case and now I think kita's target is scummier than before." And I feel like that is something that should happen if kita is town. BUT I think he just posts in a townie way. So it's not as black and white as "I want to lynch kita" even if that's what I said. | ||
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