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Squawk squawk, I have arisen from my egg.
My reads on first glance look like myself, vivax, djodref, and poofter are highly unlikely to be or have been mafia. They are removed from my list.
My list becomes:
Kita
Hopeless
Thrawn
JJD
Kush
Amiko
as possibilities. For being scum from D1 or converted or whatever. Begin transmission:
Thrawn
Thrawn CONTINUES to feel like a super strong possibility of a conversion. D1 he's very active, about 2/3 or so of his posts are D1/N1, he's relatively active and posty and has reads and whatnot. Going INTO D2, he's townie on Toad and unknown on Vivax, wants to talk to Vivax more. He thinks maybe scum was on Rayn D1, or maybe Vivax, and he thinks some of the rayn voters are town, so his pool is kinda small.
Great. Lovely. Again, thrawn ends N1 thinking toad is town, hopeless is town, some other rayn voters likely town, and he wants to talk with Vivax and Kush and check some other rayn voters. That's his D2 entrance mindset.
Come D2, he talks with Vivax a little. DURING that chat, it SEEMS like he should be coming out scummier on Vivax:On April 02 2014 19:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
now I think that conflicts with the reasons you mentioned earlier. I think what tehpoofter brought up was actually a valid point, that you gave support to the rayn lynch while not actually voting for rayn in the end so as not to take the blame for the lynch. "push rayn, but lynch slam... safe scum play" is what i think he's getting at. you say that one of your main problems with tehpoofter's case against you is that you think he's taking advantage of your low post count, and that is definitely NOT what's going on.
so i see here that you're being defensive about your low post count (which was a reason you got lynched as mafia last game) and you are completely misprepresenting the reasons tehpoofter has for voting for you.
any comments?
(1) Vivax has conflicting reasons, can't keep story straight. (2) poofter has valid concerns about Vivax being scummy supporting rayn lynch, pushing rayn, not voting for rayn. (3) thrawn thinks vivax is misrepresenting poofter's suspicions, being defensive in the wrong way.
thrawn PROBABLY should be concluding that this guy who might be scum and he wanted to talk to is now scummy. Yes? Inconsistent stories, scummy D1 lynch conduct, a defense relying on misrepresentation, none of these make you townie on someone. See other posts like On April 02 2014 20:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
they wouldn't have needed to vote rayn to secure the rayn lynch. that's what tehpoofter is saying! for example, you supported the rayn lynch during the day, but you managed have your vote end up elsewhere while still accomplishing lynching rayn!
and it APPEARS that thrawn is ... not pleased with vivax?
Fast forward a moment.On April 03 2014 06:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'll join your wagon djodref. toad doesn't get to use his no-voting power as an excuse to not play On April 03 2014 11:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey austin. i think we are lynching toad today. how do you feel about that? On April 03 2014 18:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
wtf toad. every one of your posts u are like.... "only dumbasses who havn't read the thread could think i'm maifa or maybe they are mafia...
but oh wait guys i haven't read the thread"
so how could you know that reading the thread would confirm you as town if you haven't read the thread?
do you know that gumshoe is confirmed medic and he saved amiko? so you you are not as confirmed as you would have us believe. On April 04 2014 04:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm here, agree with not lynching vivax
Zip zop zoop. At least for me, I don't see how thrawn goes from D1 to D2. Toad continues to do exactly what he was doing, which is REASON to get scummier on him. But if you're townie on toad D1 for his actions, and he just does nothing, then that looks bad but now you're probably weak townie/null on toad? He's worried about vivax, talks to vivax and APPEARS to find vivax scummy, but doesn't want to vote vivax.
I think thrawn can be a solid player. I think if someone has a magical check to determine if someone is converted, mafia, whatever, he's a decent option. He feels unlikely to have been scum from D1, but again, as I keep hinting at, somewhat likely to have been the conversion. The number of posts go down, which isn't ultra scummy, the reads kind of don't quite follow, which he needs to explain some more.
When D2 lynch really heats up and people are claiming and we're trying to determine who to lynch and all that yumminess, thrawn seems to be around. He's down to lynch kita or toad. He sees kita's reasons for lynching vivax, but kinda...misrepresents them, doesn't appear to understand what kita is saying when other people do. Remember this? + Show Spoiler +On April 04 2014 04:51 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote:On April 04 2014 04:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia? At the beginning of day one, he argued that we should lynch mafia instead of slam and called a player scummy who settled for the easy slam lynch. Rather than pushing a mafia lynch at any point in the day, he chose to lynch slam mainly because it was better than the alternative. Then at the beginning of day two, he pushes for a slam nuke. If the only reason he wanted to lynch slam on day one was because he doesn't have any scum reads, why is he pushing a slam nuke, rather than using the 36 hours to find a scum read? He is reproducing the exact behavior he found scummy. that is so bad. he is scum for changing his mind?
But again, within the last 30-40 minutes, he has POSTS. He's around. He doesn't do anything with claims, give thoughts on hopeless/vivax/JJD, just cool with lynching Toad and Kita.
It doesn't feel QUITE RIGHT.
Thrawn is A CONCERN for me. Not uberscum, not likely to be scum from start, just...A CONCERN. Should I meet with an unfortunate end, he should be A CONCERN for you too (if you're town, I think).
For anyone who reads this and goes, oh wow, thrawn kind of CONCERNS me, I'm interested in your thoughts on thrawn and specifically:- Do you follow his vivax/toad thoughts throughout the game?
- Do his posts D1 and D2 feel consistent, similar, or disconnected?
- AUSTINMCC SHUTUP THERE ARE WAY SCUMMIER PEOPLE AND THRAWN ISN'T A PRIORITY
Moving on.
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JJD: I don't really know what to make of the hopeless comment. I thought I caught him in something, and maybe I did, but I don't know for sure. He became a central point of attention for me and I think my reads shifted n2 largely because of that.
Hopeless' claimed role is not useless at all from my point of view. If you feel differently let me know and I'll give some examples. I still don't like that he presented his checks initially as knowing that Rose visited his target when I feel like that's not a fair assumption to make. But, I agree... I don't think it can make him scum unless it's part of a more elaborate plan where you two confirm each other. It's possible but it feels too remote.
I've raised massclaiming repeatedly for two purposes. One, I think it's a better idea as the game goes on. I'll claim tonight, probably just before night ends.
Second, I thought mentioning massclaims would be an innocuous way to probe to see whether players were changing their minds. Converted players probably have to keep their reads somewhat consistent, but I figured they may be more likely to be open to massclaims.
As an aside, Kita was consistent. But, I still think he could be a cyberman/scum.
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I generally disfavor massclaims, sometimes just for "fun" reasons, sometimes because I overvalue blue roles.
From other themed games, and being scum in themed games, I think one of the benefits of massclaiming is being able to DIRECT actions. If we all want to claim, we should consider claiming BEFORE resolution, so as to try and get people to prove themselves/not do scummy stuff by directing their actions. However, because of the lack of notifications, that's not as useful as in some other games. Normally it's nice to know if someone actually got roleblocked, or JKed, or whatever, because the target can confirm the action. Here we lack a lot of confirmation tools and so I don't think that's relevant and guess it's not important to time things so that we can direct actions.
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If I had to go for a guess at scumteam now it would be kita/thrawn/kush. Still gotta take a better look at poofter tough he also just popped in at deadline and wanted to lynch me previously.
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On April 05 2014 03:59 austinmcc wrote:
I generally disfavor massclaims, sometimes just for "fun" reasons, sometimes because I overvalue blue roles.
From other themed games, and being scum in themed games, I think one of the benefits of massclaiming is being able to DIRECT actions. If we all want to claim, we should consider claiming BEFORE resolution, so as to try and get people to prove themselves/not do scummy stuff by directing their actions. However, because of the lack of notifications, that's not as useful as in some other games. Normally it's nice to know if someone actually got roleblocked, or JKed, or whatever, because the target can confirm the action. Here we lack a lot of confirmation tools and so I don't think that's relevant and guess it's not important to time things so that we can direct actions.
Agreed. Better to claim tonight. Plus, austin, it'll be "fun" if we claim a role, then get cyber-converted and maybe lose our role or have to use it in a way we dislike because of the claim.
I'll look at your kush questions
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austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff
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anyways I am the worst conversion and anyone who has played with scum me would know that
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Amiko does a number of townie things on D1. One that particularly stands out to me is trying to interact with alakaslam and bring him into the thread.
This is MEGA MEGA MEGA MEGA MEGA UBER TOWNIE in my mind. Anyone who wants to time travel back to D1 and shoot Amiko is 100% mafia.
On April 02 2014 07:50 Amiko wrote:
Fire ze missiles?
I don’t feel too strongly about whether you nuke slam or someone else today.
However, my preference is absolutely that you use the nuke today because if you hold onto it you are at the very least a tempting conversion/kill target (if you are not scum/3p already).
This is also crazy crazy townie. There was some discussion of not nuking, but this is a really important thought. Going "I have a nuke now" in a game that has at least SOME conversion mechanics is a questionable choice. Convert the nuke guy, use the nuke, and town has to spend a day (probably) lynching the converted bro.
You ... time walk town. You waste a whole day, getting a townie killed and just losing a conversion.
Like those trains of thought, and since that's a super townie line of thinking on D2, amiko wholly off my list.
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Somebody earlier said to be on the lookout for people being sure that slam is survivor. Now kush previously said he's inclined to believe he really is (but why?). Later though he keeps being sure of it, to the point of holding it against rayn.
Not damning, but close to the pattern of scum knowing Kasla's claim was real.
On March 30 2014 14:03 kushm4sta wrote:
So slam is either
1. survivor
2. scum lying about being survivor
im inclined to believe 1, knowing how alaka approaches playing scum.
unvote
On March 31 2014 02:04 kushm4sta wrote:
ryan
furthermore you continue to push a lynch on a claimed survivor because "he's not town."
I cannot understand this stance at all. It is not good play to lynch a survivor d1 and you know that.
And you are pushing this survivor lynch in lieu of scumhunting. As town you are primarily concerned with figuring out who scum are, which im not seeing this game.
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On April 05 2014 03:45 Crossfire99 wrote:
Night actions are due in . After that, no more actions will be accepted. Make sure to send actions to all hosts.
Actually, why don't we post our roles right after this countdown?
Then, we have one hour between our claims and night ending, and we can talk about roles while everyone is alive.
Scum can't change their actions because their night actions are locked in already.
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On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah.
Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?
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On April 05 2014 04:04 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 03:45 Crossfire99 wrote:
Night actions are due in . After that, no more actions will be accepted. Make sure to send actions to all hosts. Actually, why don't we post our roles right after this countdown? Then, we have one hour between our claims and night ending, and we can talk about roles while everyone is alive. Scum can't change their actions because their night actions are locked in already.
AND if someone is converted tonight, they don't even know it yet. So maybe they will kill their brethren :D
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Austin how do you townread poofter? Would be nice if I could get him off the list of suspects.
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Just to make sure, after the countdown above (for night actions) there will be one more hour in which we can talk because night is not over - correct?
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@People saying kush is possible scum:
Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted.
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On April 05 2014 04:07 Vivax wrote:
Austin how do you townread poofter? Would be nice if I could get him off the list of suspects. I'll look back for it. Somewhere in my filter there's at least one major post on it.
I was scummy on him D1, but the way in which he talked N1 and specifically an argument he made about how I was likely town, and he was asking people about my suspicions on him because he knew my suspicions were town on town and wanted to see if any scum would jump on them. That one post of his really brought me around, although he'd been looking townier as he responded and we chatted.
If I was to check him for scumdiddlyumptiousness, it would be a possible conversion, but I liked his N1/earlyD2 stuff enough to drop my read.
Also, I often super overvalue things that I shouldn't, or read them the wrong way. At least, other players would say this. I'm very very confident in the way I see things and then sometimes it's wrong but oh well. So feel free to disagree.
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On April 05 2014 04:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@People saying kush is possible scum:
Explain how he knew gumshoe was lying? The only way it's possibly for Kush to be scum is if he was converted. We don't actually know WHAT this setup is exactly.
What we know is that :- Kush is 99.9999999% certain river song. Town river song? Scum river song? Unknown
- Kush has access to 1 or more KP
- Kush claims, and is 99.999999999% responsible for, the extra D1 vote on rayn.
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On April 05 2014 04:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 04:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin. what changed with the vivax read is all the stuff he posted after i was yelling at him. all the kita vs vivax stuff Are you now bubbling over with townie delight at him? You seemed scummy on him for particular things he'd done - his D1 voting, his response to poofter, blah blah. Just the fact that you were liking kita/toad for scum and vivax was fighting the right way with kita = vivax more likely town?
yep
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With random crap that isn't SUPER helpful being- Town had a doctor, therefore SOME anti-town party has KP
- Kush shot during the day, doctor isn't day, so that doesn't match up unless he's like 1-2 shot any time vigi for someone. Unlikelyish
- Vote manipulation sometimes scummy, 2 vote manipulators for town and nothing for anyone else is curious
- I know I wasn't around, but the rayn lynch was really questionable and kush is essentially 40% of the non-rayn votes for rayn
He's more possible to me than others. Less likely than others, I imagine.
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