Doctor Who Mafia 2 - Page 96

[B]On April 02 2014 09:17 kitaman27 wrote:
Nevermind on that one. I've actually removed djo from my ever shrinking possible mafia lynch. Originally, I was thinking that he took the position he did knowing more information than he should about rayn and my alignments, but I don't think that applies as well as I thought. There was something else that I found townie from him that I won't go into.

On April 04 2014 13:52 Hopeless1der wrote:

JJD claimed Rose...JJD confirmed that his target matched Vivax's target (austinmcc). What is the discrepancy here Amiko? I'm headed to bed, I'll check back in the morning.

On April 04 2014 13:58 Amiko wrote:
Caveat: At the moment my scumreads on hopeless and jarjar are based on the idea that hopeless is caught scum….
If hopeless provides an explanation I believe then I would probably push hopeless down on my scumlist. I would also need to re-evaluate JJD because I didn’t do a thorough filter dive of JJD for this post.

Summary (Most scum to most town)
scum/scummy
(Hopeless1der)
(JarJarDrinks)
weaker scumread
Kitaman27

To reread
(Not sure, but I generally feel djo / vivax is more towny than tehpoofter/thrawn)
Tehpoofter / Thrawn2112
Djodref / Vivax
Kushm4sta

towny
Austinmcc
(JarJar/Hopeless go here if I believe hopeless isn’t scum)

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Scummy
(1) Hopeless1der
- Claimed Mickey Smith (watcher that must target whoever JJD targets)
- Claimed JarJarDrinks/Rose and Vivax/? both visited Austinmcc on n1
At this moment I feel I caught hopeless as scum (see my post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=95#1898) because he seems to have visit information that he shouldn’t have according to the terms of his role.

(2) JarJarDrinks
- Claimed Rose Tyler (has night visit, power unknown, target is watched by hopeless)
I’m not sure I would feel JJD is scum except for the interaction with hopeless1der. Basically, JJD is confirming hopeless by saying that he visited Austin.
It is possible JJD is innocent but still confirms hopeless. For instance, maybe hopeless is fakeclaiming, and his actual role lets him see who a town visits and learn the town’s role. He targets JJD, learns that JJD is Rose and that JJD visited Austin, then makes the fake claim.
This is possible, but it feels pretty remote to me. So, I think JJD is either town, or he is

Weaker Scumreads
(3) kitaman27
I am not satisfied with this explanation but I think it is compelling enough kita should make my scumlist. Kita has made two cases and I haven’t felt that good about either one. I read his filter and nothing really jumped out to me as scum, despite trying quite a bit to read through d1. I really felt like there should be something that jumped out given rayn’s certainty, but there wasn’t anything specific. I just didn’t like his cases.
I did vote rayn d1, but it was mostly because of some inconsistencies in rayn’s posts (that kita didn’t mention) and rayn’s reaction to kita’s case (which felt really off to me).
I didn’t like kita’s case d2 on Vivax.
I don’t know, I feel bad criticizing kita when he’s actually put effort into making cases. I feel like if kita dies I’m not confident we’ll have someone who will sort of force us to focus on a specific person. But, the cases just don’t feel right to me. I don’t like that he disappeared during some of the substantive talking at the end of d2, but I will be mostly forgiving because I get pulled into real life things too.
At the same time, I think the way kita’s case on rayn developed works against the idea that kita built cases around a player. To explain this better: I think town would read players, then make a case on the scummiest player. Mafia would look for someone to mislynch or who is a threat, and make a case around that player.
Here, it feels like kita’s method doesn’t let him pick who he can build the case around, so it doesn’t seem like a mafia case. But, then again, kita even admits that he encourages rayn to make reads on him and review his prior cases, so in some ways Kita is picking the target for the case.
I could write some more but honestly I’m just back and forth on Kita. It feels like there’s reasonable explanations for a lot of what he’s done, I just don’t like his cases and that’s kind of where it leaves me.

Reread
Tehpoofter / Thrawn2112 / Djodref / Vivax: I need to reread these players and place them, right now they feel neutral. I see djo and vivax as slightly more towny than tehpoofter and thrawn. But they all could use a re-read.
- Vivax claimed to visit austinmcc n1

Kushm4sta:
- Claimed extra vote d1
- Used vig shot d2
I’m a little scared of his role, but his shot on gumshoe felt townie to me… but I don’t really know what gumshoe was doing. Lol.

towny
(JarJar/Hopeless probably go here if I believe hopeless isn’t scum)
Austinmcc: I won’t pretend to fully understand him, but I feel he is town. His views just seem to align with mine pretty often – I noticed this again in the response to the push on Vivax.

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Reads / Conversions
I think we should post reads, but actually working through this post made me feel that it is not a tool that will effectively nullify conversion.
We can’t really hold each other to our read list because other players in the game may be getting converted... even if everyone townreads someone, we can’t very well remove that person as a lynch candidate because it just means there’s a higher risk they’ll be converted. So I’m all for posting reads, but I would note there’s some problems there.

Followup
I’m got pulled away part way through this post and I’m going to sleep now. I’ll try to update on the people I need to reread when possible.
(Also seriously no one posted this whole time? D: )

[b]@kitaman27 : Are you willing to elaborate on your read of djodref? Specifically, this:

On April 04 2014 14:11 Amiko wrote:
@tehpoofter
I'm going to bed soon but if you are still here let me know if what I am saying about hopeless makes sense or if I'm just sleep deprived or something

On April 04 2014 04:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

Here's the real reason i wanted ot lynch vivax:
I'm a modified watcher

A targetted B
Vivax Targetted B

I know the role name of A.

I do not actually know who A is or who A targetted.

On April 04 2014 05:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
"You are Mickey Smith, ex-boyfriend of Rose Tyler. You hate it when she leaves on her escapades with the Doctor and have even taken to following her for what little time you see her. You are a watcher, but you target whoever Rose Tyler targets. (You never see Rose visit someone and if Rose isn't in game, it is a random selection of who you watch).

You win with the Town."


Rose targetted "someone". Vivax also targetted "someone". This is all i know

Vivax visited your target.

On April 04 2014 14:02 Amiko wrote:
This makes me think:
- Either you and JJD are working together and talking outside the thread to coordinate
- JJD is not actually Rose, because Rose would not appear in your check.

On April 04 2014 22:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Are you scum w/ hopeless? Where's the 3rd choice of JJD is rose and hopeless is scum?

And how in the blue hell can you even have that 2nd option there? You're saying that as scum:

- I pushed and pushed a town hopeless all day
- He was close to being lynched and forced to claim
- I immediately fakeclaim rose, which not only could get countered by the real rose, but clears hopeless, the townie that I've been pushing all day

This is really something you think is possible?

On April 04 2014 21:48 Coagulation wrote:
wow tehpoofter are you really using wifom about the obs thread to form your scumreads?

On April 04 2014 22:03 Hopeless1der wrote:


what the fuck is coagulation doing in this thread. I hope thats kush accidentally on his account from OMGUShydra

On April 04 2014 22:48 kushm4sta wrote:


why are you freaking out about it bro?