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On March 27 2014 15:07 kushm4sta wrote: i was making fun of a british person on dota for drinking tea, and he said he never drank tea in his life. seriously? Those pesky Indians actually want to get paid for their tea now. Can you imagine that? | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: lol slam confirmed town - does not read thread On March 30 2014 09:31 Hopeless1der wrote: I can't vouch for slams blabbering about meta reasons for his 1vs1 with rayn but slam is largely unreadable/incomprehensible around 95% of the time and it generally becomes necessary to burn a lynch on him...before lylo if possible. Is that first post a joke? | ||
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This post from kita I found scummy: + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: lol you amuse me. But you have it backwards. I'm simply trying to gather the pieces for myself. The puzzle is mine to solve. As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. thrawn is off my naughty list for the moment. People of interest: Tehpoofter seems to be asking questions that I don't find all that interesting. His initial vote of slam seems a bit forced. Amiko asking me or hope for the clarification doesn't seem scummy to me. We were probably just around. His lack of opinion and direction does appear scummy however. g Hopeless with his "do i need to go through the motions of totes serious voting to get a response?" conveys a kind of "look at me doing someone" without actually coming to a conclusion other than that I'm useless slam...generally I try to ignore him and the last time I did so I believe he was mafia. Day one survivor claims are usually someone I would lynch, even if I thought they might be a survivor. My biggest worry is that he might be a trolly town who is willing to get lynched and doesn't care, but he wasn't willing to role claim when asked and shows signs of over frustration that doesn't appear genuine. I'll probably leave my vote on him, though we need to avoid the scenario where nobody is under pressure because the lynch is already decided. kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment. This way of talking of "people of interest" summarizing some stuff to show where you stand kinda looks like posting for the sake of posting. Interesting is he only talks (as of suspects) about people that didn't react to his previous behaviour or asked him questions about his intentions. | ||
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about people that didn't react to his previous behaviour or asked him questions about his intentions. Speaking mainly of rayn and thrawn who have been either describing his play as possibly mafia-motivated and thrawn generally asking what kita was up to. Might be others have asked him some stuff but I remembered those two interacting a lot with him. The buddy heuristics thing he used on thrawn was pretty weird in my opinion cause it looks like unserious stuff and it generally causes a lot of confusion cause people always get to hide behind claiming that it wasn't. Anyway, he backtracked on thrawn and then summarized a bunch of stuff about people other than rayn and thrawn as if he felt under pressure instead of simply trying to make his previous actions transparent like requested. | ||
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On March 30 2014 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote: lol slam confirmed town - does not read thread On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote: Well seeing that bullshit ends now then. Rayn wtf. You always know my alignment uncanny early. You couldn't get my mood from anything yet? Hopeless what indication do you have that makes my lynch understandable? Toad same question. Don't go slandering saying I still don't help town. I'm not gonna be an NK in that yeah I generally suxxor but apparently there is a meta I can't fight so ppl will know im town in time. On the other hand you guys blatantly LHF the first guy Rayn prods- note he didn't vote me himself! Rayn likely town but you guys make me think this gaem b ez On March 30 2014 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote: slam i called you town right afterwards and didnt vote you to begin with big whoop, wanna fight about it? On March 30 2014 22:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes vivax, is joke. Toad you want to explain why I'm scummy? Foolishness-hydra modkill bullshit notwithstanding you've quotes 2 posts and said "lynch dis" On March 31 2014 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: about hopeless: The reason that this is a lynch for me is because noone else gave a crap about what alakaslam was posting while hopeless does sound somewhat defensive here. Pointing out that he did call him town afterwards in a way that reeks of buddy without being funny/trollish about it. I really don't like how serious this first sentence is phrased, a sentence that is about nothing but telling slam that hopeless got a townread on slam like he's trying to not get in trouble because of some random crap while noone else seemed to care about it because it's slam we're talking about here. I can see where Toad is coming from with his argument, but I want to hear if anybody else thinksfor example that hopeless telling he doesn't suspect Alakaslam when being prodded is supposed to make him scum. The other options I see for hopeless to answer this is to say why he wanted to kill Alakaslam in the first place, or by saying that he wasn't serious with the "let's kill Kaslam" thing. In your opinion, which are more townie and more scummy? Is Toad right in saying that he's overdefending? | ||
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You think it's over defensive stuff and scummy or something that a townie would say? | ||
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On March 30 2014 16:14 Toadesstern wrote: what's the point of that answer. You don't know if hopeless is mafia, do you? He asked you a serious question and you're dodging it by answering with a relation of unflipped people. On March 30 2014 16:19 Toadesstern wrote: actually rayn needs lynching too imo ##vote Rayn On March 31 2014 06:12 Toadesstern wrote: -snip- About rayn: He looks awful right now but I'd like to give him some time. Acting like this is most certainly something he'd do and he was mighty pissed about Mocsta last game we played together as well. I do think there's a difference though, a difference Kita has pointed out as well: The fact that he is putting in a lot of effort despite saying that he doesn't care. He did not do that in the game we had with Mocsta, he went afk came back, sheep-voted someone and that was that. The thing about this however is that it's a really stupid reason to vote someone because I'm essentially saying he's putting in more effort than he should and with this kind of thing I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and just assume that he improved from last game. I have to say that I see a lot more reasonings for this happening from a mafia PoV though, like him actually being pissed but not just doing nothing because he'd feel bad about his teammates whereas as townie you usually don't care that much about it. And the more I think about it the more I want him lynched but I don't want to... because if I'm wrong on this I'd feel so horribly bad for this... long story short, I want some time to make up my mind on rayn. About Alakaslam: I have no idea what's going on with that guy. None at all Toad, you never said why you even wanted Rayn lynched, but it should obviously have to do with the way he answered that question. Why do you try to hold back so hard with him to the point of not mentioning the reason for your vote at all? It's like you thought he said something that looked scummy, voted for him, then backtrack without saying what you found scummy in the first place. | ||
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On March 31 2014 21:45 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't like how hung up on me vivax is. Don't be so self-centered, maybe I'm hung up on Toad? | ||
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You don't feel the need to comment on his accusations after asking him why he thinks of you as scum? On March 30 2014 22:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Yes vivax, is joke. Toad you want to explain why I'm scummy? Foolishness-hydra modkill bullshit notwithstanding you've quotes 2 posts and said "lynch dis" | ||
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On March 31 2014 21:55 Hopeless1der wrote: not particularly. My understanding of the jist of it is I'm scummy for taking slam even remotely seriously. Yeah but why do you tell him he has not to fear since you called him town and later you call that "townread" a joke post when I ask you about it? | ||
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On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: austin looks really good. I am surprised i get what he is saying.  tehpoofer actually is probably scum. He tells me to do scumhunting. Surprise surprise i think i have done the most scumhunting in this game hands down. He has talked about nothing than me, he bases his read on me on one game (rofl), noone agrees with him on his read, yet his meta read must be correct. ^^ I could write a bigger case but i don't wanna do that right now. Basically he keeps flip-flopping over same things over and over again, when i tell him why they are wrong he forgets them for a while and then they suddenly just reappear. He is saying maybe two things and nothing else in this game. I agree with whoever said (austin?) that Hopeless is town. While i think his play is completely useless and idiotic he is town. JJD also looks okayish. so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe. On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: bah i promised to tell you who is scum so no selfvoting: ##unvote vote kitaman27 Strong townies: Toadesstern - town austinmcc - had a good post about Hopeless, i totally agree with the thought process and conclusion. Hopeless would be an easy target for scum to go after, austin has not been in thread so he would probably go after him. Hopeless1der - sadly he is town, and a strong read. will not help most likely  thrawn2112 - has only good posts and is making a lot of sense. most likely to solve this game. seems to be one of the few people with any brain. kushm4sta - dumb but town. Djodref - claimed blue. Tehpoofter - brave. says stuff he wants to. while dumb conclusions they make sense for town!poofer to say more than mafia!poofer. Weaker town: JarJarDrinks - focuses on things he usually focuses on as town. will most likely be called scum at some point because people don't know what he does as town, or rather don't understand. thrawn focus on people who go after JJD and see why they do. If JJD is town (he more likely is) he is easy mislynch because people just don't get why he says stuff he does. you will get it, noone else will most likely. Amiko - would have liked to hear more from him. he does stuff that's weird and focuses on weird stuff but he is kinda brave and doesn't hesitate to give his opinions on things. looks townie. Vivax - thinks kita is scum. Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam Now there is a possibility Slam is scum. Remember that. The problem is if you are going to lynch me you need to lynch mafia on D2 and D3 and you can't lynch Slam. You'll most likely lose if you do because of the yak shit. D1 doesn't matter but if you lynch town on D1 you can't risk lynching Slam on D2. You just can't and that's on you then. So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are. then you say your vote on Hopeless was some kind of sheepy vote on a multitude of players. Kita is among them, this is the last thing you wrote about him before putting that vote is this: It makes sense to me but kita is building the web for some reason. I think it's distracting and therefore scummy. I don't see what he is trying to achieve. after having called his play scummy for a while. So you wanna say that you voted hopeless cause you trusted one of your suspects to be making the right guess? On April 01 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote on Hopeless was because of the one post i found odd and because Toad was town and if all of Toad, Foolishness and kita think Hopeless is scum, in addition to me finding a scummy post from him he is probably scum. Then he started doing townie stuff and Slam claimed anti-town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am putting Vivax back to null - leaning scum because his kitanamn suspicion went *poof* and it disappeared and he is not reading properly. I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks. | ||
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i just think he is mafia because other people look more or less town and have done townie things Cause other people look more or less town you think Kasla is mafia fakeclaiming 3p? | ||
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I like how you explain things around rayn here in your post in spoiler since I got the feeling that he's creating a lot of confusion and drama and I don't like that, it's just that I can't tell if he's doing it on purpose or cause he's just being like that and town but what I do see is that he throws around with scumreads without trying to let them be productive. He's accusatory not inquisitive and he reminds me of the kind of attitude I saw on him in that game where he hydraed with Mocsta as scum, in which he also behaved pretty negatively throughout the game. I'm not sure if I would lynch him D1 though, I would rather be happy with a Kaslam lynch, like I mentioned it's also possible he's traitor and it's already enough if we don't lynch town and get the doubt of the way. + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. | ||
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On April 01 2014 03:49 kitaman27 wrote: Would anyone consider traitor to fall under the category of changing alignment? I wouldn't really. Traitors generally are always mafia, its just that they can communicate if identified. It seems unlikely that mafia would have both a town recruiting role and a traitor role in the same game. I suppose a third party traitor that joins the mafia team is a possibility, but I've never seem something like that before. Who says he has to be an alignment changer? Maybe there's also a cultist type of role. In any case lynching him is not a bad idea cause with a traitor mafia can claim at mylo and try to let him win with them cause if he doesn't they just shoot him lol. | ||
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