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On April 02 2014 20:38 kitaman27 wrote: So I'm going to be at a career fair all day so I won't be able to post during the next 12 hours. All I ask is that I'm given a chance to defend myself first if you do indeed decide to want to use the nuke on myself over slam. I'll post my lynch preference when I return. On April 02 2014 13:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK I already pointed out how Kitas "trap" was pretty ridiculous + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Kita, tell me if I'm missing something w/ your "trap". You purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game in order to see if someone would call you scummy for it and not check your previous game? That was your plan to trap scum? And Rayn just happened to do exactly what you were expecting to a tee? I think the only part of that that is true is that you purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game. And I think it's cause ur scum and you did it to appear town. Thats why you were hinting for people to go read ur meta. Then you got pissed off that people were calling you scum when you made all that effort to look like you did in that game. So you retconned your "trap". On April 01 2014 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I just can't imagine this @ all coming from a town mindset. The only reason I can imagine someone specifically going out of their way to make their posts reproduce a previous town game is if they're scum. The "town trap" reasoning is pretty flimsy. On April 01 2014 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yeah, I get that. I'm not saying that I think it's something you could do as mafia. That part is obvious. I'm saying I don't see how it's something that anyone would do as town. But here's something else: According to kita, his "trap" was that he copied his meta from his previous game and then when rayn decided not do the research to check it out, he decided that rayn was likely mafia. That was pretty much his main point on rayn. Here's a post from Kita AFTER rayn supposedly fell into his "trap": Bamn. There's proof right there that Kita retconned his rayn case. There's absolutely no way to explain how he makes that post based on this rayn case that he made later: + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. Can you respond to this when you are back please (or point me to it in your filter if you already responded to those in case I missed that) | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote: I preferred to lynch rayn partially for "information" purposes, the wagons and peoples reads etc, and partially because I was more inclined to believe he was being a huge bully, creating a toxic environment and refusing to do anything productive. As it turns out rayn is just as capable of being demoralized as anyone else, but I guess I just hold him to a higher standard than other players. Slam imo is a bad lynch because he's likely 3rd party. You're never going to get a useful discussion surrounding his alignment. That meant that for me the lynch was between kita and rayn, and at least on D1 I thought rayn was scummier and worth lynching. The question was: You say something about lynching kita, I ask you why you prefer to mention kita when you said we should also lynch/vig slam in one of your previous posts. Another thing I want to know of you is why you're so against lynching slam. Leaving the survivor survive is bad play if the mafia knows they can convert him cause nobody wants to lynch him cause he claimed 3p. No player should be given definite outs in a game where anyone could suddenly turn scum, and slam should have been lynched D1 already. You don't give clues as to what you think of rayn's alignment throughout having your vote on him. You only seem to do it for the 1 v 1 he had with kita. Another thing is: You voted for Alakaslam D1 before going onto rayn based on his fight with kita. What was the reason for you voting Kaslam if today you say it's bad play to lynch 3p? Did you believe Kaslam was mafia? Cause here's the jist of things: - If you voted for Kaslam thinking he was mafia, it would not make sense for you to vote rayn for information purposes. - If you voted for kaslam thinking he was 3p, then it doesn't make sense for you to say that voting 3p makes it a bad lynch. I'm keen on this one. | ||
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Fixed. Wanted to write this but then I saw you already said why kita first. But forgot to delete. | ||
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Of the people on rayn at the end of D1 I think you have a thin reasoning for ending up on him over Slam. You don't say why you thought he was scummy, but you understood what Kita meant in his post here On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote: He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch. In the 1 on 1 situation between rayn and kita, you chose to lynch rayn first. You did so for information purposes, so I take it you didn't actually agree with the stuff kita wrote? Cause I don't see you calling rayn scum for anything. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:30 Hopeless1der wrote: i did agree with kita. i thought rayn was scum @jjd probably not tbh Even though he roleclaimed? | ||
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At any rate, I dont think any scum were on rayn right now. What's the deal with you wanting to avenge rayn and then saying you don't think there was any scum on his wagon (for example kita). So chaotic, do you have any real scum- or townreads? For rayn's lynch you didn't have an own opinion to tell us about him, now you don't have a real one on kita apparently cause first u wanna lynch him then you seem to defend him vs JJD. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote: viavx, i hadn't read filters yet. My reasoning was literally "town rayn said X is mafia" well gee, i better vote X right away! What is the problem here? That I dont explain myself sufficiently? That I didnt have reasons to begin with or I wasnt taking stances? My filter isnt big, I dont have long convoluted posts. What is so difficult here? Having a clue of what you are thinking when you do stuff. D1 you sheep kita, accept 1 on 1 and say slam should be lynched/vigged. Next day you say something of lynching kita to avenge rayn, not arsed to lynch slam again, then you suddenly turn to JJD defending what kita was doing. Ie in summary it doesn't look like you are having real scumreads. | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK I already pointed out how Kitas "trap" was pretty ridiculous + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 00:08 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Kita, tell me if I'm missing something w/ your "trap". You purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game in order to see if someone would call you scummy for it and not check your previous game? That was your plan to trap scum? And Rayn just happened to do exactly what you were expecting to a tee? I think the only part of that that is true is that you purposefully emulated ur meta from a previous game. And I think it's cause ur scum and you did it to appear town. Thats why you were hinting for people to go read ur meta. Then you got pissed off that people were calling you scum when you made all that effort to look like you did in that game. So you retconned your "trap". On April 01 2014 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: I just can't imagine this @ all coming from a town mindset. The only reason I can imagine someone specifically going out of their way to make their posts reproduce a previous town game is if they're scum. The "town trap" reasoning is pretty flimsy. On April 01 2014 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yeah, I get that. I'm not saying that I think it's something you could do as mafia. That part is obvious. I'm saying I don't see how it's something that anyone would do as town. But here's something else: According to kita, his "trap" was that he copied his meta from his previous game and then when rayn decided not do the research to check it out, he decided that rayn was likely mafia. That was pretty much his main point on rayn. Here's a post from Kita AFTER rayn supposedly fell into his "trap": Bamn. There's proof right there that Kita retconned his rayn case. There's absolutely no way to explain how he makes that post based on this rayn case that he made later: + Show Spoiler + On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote: On raynpelikoneet So here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote: ##Vote Sandroba On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today. On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote: Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote: Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought? I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after. The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote: As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion. On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote: Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post? On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions. + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?) On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that. Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me? Now there are three possible explanations: 1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort 2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town 3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself. rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care". This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope. rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order. The one thing holding me up is 1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town 2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote. Hopeless, what do you think of the points JJD brings here on kita? | ||
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Kita said he was setting up a trap, that was an explanation delivered after a post where he treated rayn as if he didn't get a scummy feedback from his trap, saying he found you and slam more interesting. So I don't see how you can disagree about the retconning simply stating what kita's intention were, cause it completely misses the point of what JJD was showing. | ||
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JJD if you could care to answer to hopeless' version of events in stead of kita's it would be appreciated. Also give opinions on how you wanna use the nuke plz. You should really fire it on kaslam. | ||
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Then I don't get why you would claim. | ||
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