|
On October 05 2013 11:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Ugh why do scum think it's fun making me rage  I was having fun this game too. Fuck you Vayne.
yo you are scum because Palmar posted your name 4 times in his filter and 4x4 is 16 and 16 divided by 4 is 4 and there is 4 scum left
|
I am on the receiving end of that right now, you get no sympathy from me
|
and finally that game is over, please refer to pandain's play in Noire for why I have been suspicious as hell ever since that last cycle and even before that, that is all. Gone for a while
|
FINALLY NOIRE ENDS
Alright. So Rayn, if you're around. My random-ass scumread on you here
On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Epiphany: Rayn is scum. He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched.When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general. In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do. Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum.(Not necessarily on same team though  ) got negated when I realized how you played last game as scum in Noire. And why I couldn't tell you about it. I made that huge-ass scumread on you and then realized the very game you were still fucking IN playing scum didn't fit that description. And that I was dumb.
|
On October 05 2013 11:28 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 11:26 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote: guess ill go "play" like FT, cheesecake, CR and the gang and not post at all, you seem to like hearing your own voice WoS has posted more than cheese, CR, and at least in my head, solstice and oats. All under consideration. But this isn't an activity lynch at this point. We've got flips, we've got days of play, we've got SOME associations at this point. Is there another player in the maybe list that you think fits the bill for being on that scumteam better than WoS? Cuz you said Oats. But you didn't really get specific beyond Oat's activity. Anything else beyond that? On October 05 2013 05:48 VayneAuthority wrote: and I think oats is the last banger. Would explain palmar and his huge drop in activity. On October 05 2013 09:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 05 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote: So you would hold hands with your arch nemesis to lynch Oats tomorrow VA? yea oats makes sense to me as the last scum more then WoS. this isn't town oats regardless. he's quite active and going ham in that other game...notice how once SnB died that palmar and oats have dropped off the face of the earth. really all the evidence you need. You were in nuclear, he just hides as scum. thats what he does. Add in the fact that its basically a process of elimination game (and I know 1 member more than you) and I don't really need to expand beyond that. You surmise some dudes. If you know; you're mafia yourself 
In nuclear D2, scumOats missile defended scumAce. He didn't just hide all game, he did things that, if scumbuddies had flipped, would have made him look a bit wonky. Not like CR has been around after the lynch either, it's not an oats-specific thing.
If you're saying oats is the likeliest 3rd member of that team SOLELY because he's been inactive but is active in another game, and inactive after the palmar lynch, that is not particularly convincing.
|
On October 05 2013 11:32 VayneAuthority wrote: and finally that game is over, please refer to pandain's play in Noire for why I have been suspicious as hell ever since that last cycle and even before that, that is all. Gone for a while I knew that's what you were referring to, but I don't really see that much similarity.
Oh Pandain you should have been modkilled by the way in Noire for that 'asking to get modkilled' faking town thing. That is some fucking scuzzy shit, and completely breaks marv's 'dick move' analysis because that is a DICK move.
|
One of the major reasons I was pretty happy staying on FT as well was because BH felt so strongly about lynching him, and how badly in Noire town fucked up by not listening to marv (and to a lesser extent anyone else who got shot).
Let's see, what other stuff can I talk about now that Noire is over....
|
Oats's D1 is FULL of comments about Palmar. He does call him townie, but he's also like...heavily poking at other players' reads on Palmar. If you want to paint Oats as the third, he's hyper-aware of how Palmar is viewed. If you want to paint Oats as not the third, he's really really linking himself to Palmar by being hyper-aware and that seems like a bad idea.
That's just a small look.
|
On October 05 2013 08:55 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Let's suppose that I agree and think that he's scum - what makes you sure he's Palmar's partner? Don't scum shy away from mentioning their partners most of the time? Like - bringing attention to them consistently doesn't seem a very powerful strategy to me. I'd be more inclined to believe he's on the opposing team if he's scum. It's a combination of things. I'll make a too-large post in later tonight or later this cycle. There are a couple things that made me think he would be bros with Palmar if Palmar was scum. Off a quick reread but without the big post: (1) The WAY that he fought the Palmar lynch. Palmar maybe scum, but I can't read the guy. I can never read the guy. Palmar maybe scum, but I wouldn't lynch him over my other scum suspects. Palmar maybe scum, but let's switch onto Oats? Oats scum guys, let's switch Oats over Palmar. At no point does he step in front of the lynch, but he's always trying to drive it sideways. Maybe we lynch someone other than Palmar. Maybe if we swap off FT we swap onto someone else. I'm not saying Palmar isn't scum gaiz, but ... I can't read him. Can never read him. Ask me for a read? I can't read him, maybe he's whatever. (2) There are a lot of playful WoS/Palmar posts. Not bussing. Just them joking about some bad game WoS played, how he's so good but not Ace now. Neither is really doing anything to read the other. They just sort of dance with each other for no reason. ***THIS IS NOT A PARTICULARLY GREAT REASON I KNOW THAT*** (3) Oat's specific read on Palmar at points in the game. He started off apparently townish, without ever really having any specific justification. His read, if you follow it, is never anything particularly specific, and always hidden behind "I can't read Palmar kkkk" (4) It may sound dumb, but this post - + Show Spoiler +On October 05 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Palmar I have a question for you. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote: The problem with intelligent townies is that they need to be right, and you need to be wrong. Non-top town players aren't terrible, they're just less adept at coming up with solutions, that doesn't mean they're incapable of recognizing a correct solution when it's presented to them by a top town player. Which is why killing town heads is so important.
One amazing town player, can make 10 decent townies good. Almost everyone in this game is at least decent or good, so all it takes is someone to lead them, then they WILL recognize what is correct and what is not, and steamroll the mafia. The emphasis here is that decent townies recognise good solutions when they're presented to them. Unfortunately way too many townies atm don't take the time to assess and appreciate the correct answers given to them by strong townies (or just townies who are correct and making good arguments), and instead go off and do their own (incorrect) thing.The bolded section is something marv wrote. Do you think this may be relevant to the current situation at all? - Oats has been hiding behind not reading Palmar all game. Palmar has finally picked up some suspicion, he's not a top couple options, but he's MAYBE going to get pushed later. Oats drops this. Oats remembers a very very particular post of Palmar's from a month ago, grabs it, drops it in thread, but never really DOES anything with it, and Palmar never responds. It struck me as odd that WoS dug up this singular post, remembered some particular post of Palmar's off the top of his head, but yet never really wanted to lynch him, try to read him, find him scummy for never answering (he followed up once but dropped it and again, never wanted to lynch). In the WoS is scum world, it's a post to distance them slightly, without ever bussing. (5) WoS never spoke about snb. Once said he was "dropping bombs," but nothing beyond that. Snb, in turn, likes wos's case on FT, mentions it like 3-4 times, but never ever speaks of any sort of read on WoS. I know snb didn't exactly chat about a boatload of people, but neither mentions the other at all really, despite SnB always noting he liked WoS's case. Call it mostly 1, with a little 4-5 mixed in. Alright let's see: 1) At no point do you simply consider that I'm telling the truth. I am well aware of how it looks, but do you honestly think that if I were worried about my appearance for not being able to make a read on Palmar as a member of his scumteam I wouldn't just say I had a weak townread or a weak scumread or something instead of repeating myself that I can't fucking read the guy MULTIPLE times this game? WHy would I make thigns MORE difficult for myself as scum by refusing to give any sort of read whatsoever? Just to avoid some sort of association in case he flips WHICH YOU'RE PUTTING ON ME ANYWAY?
2) Not a joke. Reference to LXI which was a shit game of mine and the last game in which I and Palmar played together I believe (Unless Ego came after I think). I even explained that shit directly after. Why would you ignore that? It's funny too because I was suspicious of Palmar bringing up an example of how 'bad' I was months and months ago without even considering that I might have improved since and I asked town about---who promptly ignored me so I just assumed a town Palmar would do it. Thanks for the help, town.
3) I assume you mean 'Wave' not Oats here. My reasoning as to the townread on Palmar super early was simply based on his seemingly free interaction with town in all respects. As you can see here, I CAN'T READ PALMAR FOR SHIT WHICH I WAS SAYING ALL ALONG.
4) I didn't remember shit about Palmar's post from a year ago. I haven't even been playing mafia for a year. MARV TOSSED THAT IN THE NOIRE OBS QT. Want to look at it? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/4ti4pFaNwin Check out post 215. I didn't elaborate or link the rest of what marv said because I didn't want anyone in both games to hazard any guesses based on that or something. The reason I brought it up (which again town promptly ignored, thanks town) was because I was curious if town thought I was more concerned about being right regarding FT than was actually useful to town. I was beginning to question my own tunnel. Nobody helped me question it.
5) I don't think I have much to say about SnB. Legitimately surprised he flipped scum.
FUCKING WHAT AUSTIN WHAT
|
I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u. Promise. If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
|
LOL was wondering why my wife didn't bother coming to get me to say goodnight yet so I checked in on her, she was reading and says: "I could hear you from the bedroom smashing your keyboard."
LOL
|
PAndain plays to his scum-meta here. I totally agree with Vayne.
|
On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u. Promise. If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far)
I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn.
|
What I've literally been town this whole game I didn't do shit in noir and bussed a lot
|
If you are going to try and do a lynch on me find better reasons
|
On October 05 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 09:07 VayneAuthority wrote: The biggest scum trait for me austin was that he has often talked about pushing to policy lynch me, but this was the first game he has actually done it. And he has not been scum since then, so I still can't get that out of my mind. Mine was the whole wanting to policy lynch you then being so vehemently against it, to the point of spite, when Pandain was all about lynching you. Do you understand how furious it made me that Pandain essentially copied all of my reasoning for wanting to get rid of VA and took it for his own? I hate being ignored. I absolutely fucking hate it and I have been ignored so many times this game---the push on Pandain towards VA was the last fucking straw. He could have supported me or even used my examples at any fucking time.
All of you need to stop looking for specific scum reasons as to my actions and look at the town ones. More stuff you're ignoring.
|
On October 05 2013 12:00 Pandain wrote: What I've literally been town this whole game I didn't do shit in noir and bussed a lot I'm sorry i can't stop laughing when reading this, just because regardless of anything it sounds so hilarious. :D
|
On October 05 2013 11:58 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u. Promise. If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far) I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn. Oats is 100% mafia. Whether he's on their team or not. Stop looking towards association for all of your shit.
People have picked up on it at multiple points in the thread. A town Oats is wayyy more aggressive (to the point of idiocy), drops reads all over the fucking place, and most importantly PUSHES. Oats this game has done none of this, and blended into the background so scummily I had forgotten he was even IN the game at one point (and I think someone else mentioned that too). Just dropping questions here and there that go nowhere most of the game. I've stated all of this before, check my filter.
|
Ugh the worst part about it is if Oats flips red at some point in the game I won't get any credit for it. I hate not getting credit when it is due.
|
No problem crediting me for townflips though, amirite? Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
|
|
|
|