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On October 05 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 11:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u.
Promise.
If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far) I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn. Oats is 100% mafia. Whether he's on their team or not. Stop looking towards association for all of your shit. People have picked up on it at multiple points in the thread. A town Oats is wayyy more aggressive (to the point of idiocy), drops reads all over the fucking place, and most importantly PUSHES. Oats this game has done none of this, and blended into the background so scummily I had forgotten he was even IN the game at one point (and I think someone else mentioned that too). Just dropping questions here and there that go nowhere most of the game. I've stated all of this before, check my filter. You have, bunches of people have. My oats read isn't based on association, it's just a couple things he said.
But to the extent we're actively trying to hunt "third dude" and not "mafia", we kind of need to use associations there. Unless you know of a better way to figure out what team a specific scummy dude is on.
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On October 05 2013 12:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2013 11:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u.
Promise.
If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far) I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn. Oats is 100% mafia. Whether he's on their team or not. Stop looking towards association for all of your shit. People have picked up on it at multiple points in the thread. A town Oats is wayyy more aggressive (to the point of idiocy), drops reads all over the fucking place, and most importantly PUSHES. Oats this game has done none of this, and blended into the background so scummily I had forgotten he was even IN the game at one point (and I think someone else mentioned that too). Just dropping questions here and there that go nowhere most of the game. I've stated all of this before, check my filter. You have, bunches of people have. My oats read isn't based on association, it's just a couple things he said. But to the extent we're actively trying to hunt "third dude" and not "mafia", we kind of need to use associations there. Unless you know of a better way to figure out what team a specific scummy dude is on.
I'm not entirely sure.
You haven't commented on my comments on your case though.
Do you still believe I am that third member?
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Look I'm watching League finals right now so I'll be around to some degree.
If you want to talk and shoot some shit, I'm around.
I don't think I have ever tried to be anything but transparent to people this game so at the very least I'd really like to shake this scumread people seem to have on me, but mostly I want town to win a game for once so we can always hunt some scum too.
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On October 05 2013 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 12:07 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2013 11:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u.
Promise.
If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far) I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn. Oats is 100% mafia. Whether he's on their team or not. Stop looking towards association for all of your shit. People have picked up on it at multiple points in the thread. A town Oats is wayyy more aggressive (to the point of idiocy), drops reads all over the fucking place, and most importantly PUSHES. Oats this game has done none of this, and blended into the background so scummily I had forgotten he was even IN the game at one point (and I think someone else mentioned that too). Just dropping questions here and there that go nowhere most of the game. I've stated all of this before, check my filter. You have, bunches of people have. My oats read isn't based on association, it's just a couple things he said. But to the extent we're actively trying to hunt "third dude" and not "mafia", we kind of need to use associations there. Unless you know of a better way to figure out what team a specific scummy dude is on. I'm not entirely sure. You haven't commented on my comments on your case though. Do you still believe I am that third member? Ya 
Your read fluctuated between town, maybe scum, can't read, etc. etc. You can't go "Well if I were scum I wouldn't say I couldn't read him I would give him weak reads" because you also did that.
A lot of the other stuff, the Palmar post (which I didn't even notice the year on) and the jokey past game stuff doesn't really matter, it's not the meat of anything, just neat stuff I found.
What matters it the specific way you interacted with the possibility of a Palmar lynch. More than anyone else, you appeared to want to call Palmar scummy while NOT wanting to lynch him. Not because of a zealous fury to get VA lynched (Pandain), or whatever reason he had but who cares cuz he's town (VE), but because you just wanted to lynch other people instead that you found scummier. It's ENTIRELY possible that this is all a coincidence and Palmar's scumbuddy wasn't around or whatever.
But it don't look good. Actions.
Actions speak louder than words.
Pretty much in terms of a scale of loudness, you're looking at actions > words > the whispers of soul-eating bears.
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On October 05 2013 12:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2013 12:07 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2013 11:58 austinmcc wrote:On October 05 2013 11:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sorry I had to tear up your association shit like that, Austin, I still <3 u.
Promise.
If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me.
(I still don't think oats is mafia. Also, he's totes not the third guy, at least not one what I went looking for so far) I was going to say that people would have more luck pinning CR as the third member, but that actually looks unlikely given his direct comments on Palmar. Like, in his case, he says Palmar might be good lynch candidate, but here is specifically why I don't want to lynch him, scenarios, what we learn. Oats is 100% mafia. Whether he's on their team or not. Stop looking towards association for all of your shit. People have picked up on it at multiple points in the thread. A town Oats is wayyy more aggressive (to the point of idiocy), drops reads all over the fucking place, and most importantly PUSHES. Oats this game has done none of this, and blended into the background so scummily I had forgotten he was even IN the game at one point (and I think someone else mentioned that too). Just dropping questions here and there that go nowhere most of the game. I've stated all of this before, check my filter. You have, bunches of people have. My oats read isn't based on association, it's just a couple things he said. But to the extent we're actively trying to hunt "third dude" and not "mafia", we kind of need to use associations there. Unless you know of a better way to figure out what team a specific scummy dude is on. I'm not entirely sure. You haven't commented on my comments on your case though. Do you still believe I am that third member? Ya Your read fluctuated between town, maybe scum, can't read, etc. etc. You can't go "Well if I were scum I wouldn't say I couldn't read him I would give him weak reads" because you also did that. A lot of the other stuff, the Palmar post (which I didn't even notice the year on) and the jokey past game stuff doesn't really matter, it's not the meat of anything, just neat stuff I found. What matters it the specific way you interacted with the possibility of a Palmar lynch. More than anyone else, you appeared to want to call Palmar scummy while NOT wanting to lynch him. Not because of a zealous fury to get VA lynched (Pandain), or whatever reason he had but who cares cuz he's town (VE), but because you just wanted to lynch other people instead that you found scummier. It's ENTIRELY possible that this is all a coincidence and Palmar's scumbuddy wasn't around or whatever. But it don't look good. Actions. Actions speak louder than words. Pretty much in terms of a scale of loudness, you're looking at actions > words > the whispers of soul-eating bears.
I dunno man if that's the best association you can come up with and I have to try and come up with something better to show that I'm not the third scum, I'm either fucked because you were really grabbing at absolutely everything that you felt fit and there isn't anything to find, or it'll be hella easy because I haven't looked yet and your case isn't predicated on anything aside from me not being able to read Palmar essentially.
Because what it all comes down to is you think my inability to read Palmar makes me scum, no matter how you twist it.
Fine Austin. You want action, I'll give you action.
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On October 05 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Look I'm watching League finals right now so I'll be around to some degree.
If you want to talk and shoot some shit, I'm around.
I don't think I have ever tried to be anything but transparent to people this game so at the very least I'd really like to shake this scumread people seem to have on me, but mostly I want town to win a game for once so we can always hunt some scum too. Naw, I'm headed to bed soon and watching the VODs tomorrow so I don't have to wait 80000 hours for the first game to start and 20000 hours between each game.
I am going to look more at some other filters tomorrow. Maybe someone else looks like they really fit the bill. Who knows? I will say that you are very unlikely to get any traction with me by arguing your own filter. I do think it makes you look scummy, and make you look associated with Palmar, and that snb's filter shows a possible associated with you as well.
So I'm reading, I'm listening, but in a "I'm reading this but I also think this dude is mafia" way. If you're not third dude then third dude is someone else. Go find third dude (or other scum or whatevs). I'll be around some tomorrow and can chat then if you're on.
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Im here, wanna talk to me WoS?
Because I think that you are scum.
Do you have any specific questions HUH??
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Here's a terrifying thought to sleep on:
Austin 3rd scumteam member, rides towncred all the way to the bank lol.
Anyway I can continue my delving into Palmar's filter that I started earlier. I really don't like how both VE and Austin have now essentially stated 'all I have to do is find the scum member more likely than me,' because imo that's almost akin to solving the game, which I know I won't be able to do. You're essentially pre-absolving yourself of responsibility for when I flip green because 'I didn't do a good enough job of proving myself.'
I don't appreciate that.
Some other fun stuff to add that I found in Palmar's filter to the earlier thing:
On September 30 2013 21:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 21:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not that worried, I think there genuinely could be some scum agenda there between you and Pandain. Pandain was on my scumteam but I fired him for aids and bads. (see personality mafia, I have a reason to think pandain is awful as scum).
Palmar also constantly calls SnB bad and doesn't entertain anything he says essentially. Only other person he does this too is Vayne.
On September 30 2013 23:41 Palmar wrote:
SnB you're bad.
Here's some fun:
On October 01 2013 23:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams.
Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS).
That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. Who knows, maybe yamato can spot the difference between my town game and my scum game. Just because you're bad and can't, doesn't mean everyone else is. I don't think Oats is massively different as scum and town. I usually have a fairly difficult time figuring out his alignment. You seem to think otherwise. Does this make every read I give on Oats ever invalid?You're basically trying to play the fear card on me. It's super annoying when people call me scum, not because I'm doing anything scum would do or playing scummy in any way, but just because they're afraid I might be scum doing town things and looking like town. How the hell do you know yamato wasn't using exactly the same meta reasoning you're using on Oats, or I used on VE to figure out my alignment. I can't remember, BH also figured out my alignment, do you think his townread on me was bogus too? Clearly by your standards there's literally nothing I can do to make me appear town to you, and apparently you're fine with tunneling that point of view.
LOOK PALMAR CAN'T READ OATS IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE HE DOESNT WANT TO THAT MEANS OATS IS SCUM
Honestly...I'm finding this effort completely fruitless atm. I could pick out basically anything from his filter and spin it the way I'd want to.
I'm not going to be able to provide you with what you want the way you want it. If whatever I do over the next 50h or so isn't good enough for you guys then so be it. At least if you lynch me then maybe you guys will look more closely at my filter from the town perspective as you should have done from the start.
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I got a question for you Oats.
On September 27 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Palmar, FT and Grack scumbuddies?
Quote from day 1. Is this sincere? Why did you say this?
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dude WoS don't be doing homework people assign you it's dumb and doesn't tell anybody anything.
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Yeah I kinda realized that partway through---the issue becomes I'm not going to be able to determine specifically who that third member is, but I can find scum in general.
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Actually Wave, you think Im the 3rd scum from Palmars team right? So you think Pandain and VA are hardbussing each other? Why?
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On October 05 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah I kinda realized that partway through---the issue becomes I'm not going to be able to determine specifically who that third member is, but I can find scum in general.
Yea, talk to me what you just said about austin. Maybe it's just paranoia but I got little niggling doubts myself. Was that just a gut thing?
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On October 05 2013 12:41 s0Lstice wrote:I got a question for you Oats. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Palmar, FT and Grack scumbuddies? Quote from day 1. Is this sincere? Why did you say this?
Cant remember, probably because of some association. But it wasnt a joke.
Why? 2 of them flipped town.
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If we lynch you and you flip town, then yes we'll look at the filter from a townie pov.
And yeah, it's a bit silly to tell you to solve the game. But whatever. Do what you want, make some posts, maybe get Oats to scumclaim if he's actually scum.
If you're town, channel your post-lynch motivation and your inner-VA to get some correct reads and rub them in my face later (with the caveat that inner-VA refers to how much you relish rubbing something in someone else's face and not correctness of reads). Or some wrong reads and then rub then in my face. Or someone else's face.
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Lol Wave, Palmar didnt say he didnt want to read me, he just found it difficult. Im sure there are many instances in his filter where he calls me town.
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On October 05 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually Wave, you think Im the 3rd scum from Palmars team right? So you think Pandain and VA are hardbussing each other? Why?
Well apparently scum have no qualms about bussing this game whatsoever if you look at SnB/Palmar.
I'm internally waffling a lot on Pandain/VA and especially with the FT flip I'm going to have to go back and read them really closely to see if they still deserve those reads.
I haven't made any connections about who is on what team honestly. I've tried, but can't.
I don't think I'm going to bother with it because I'm bad at it.
I already know you're scum; I don't know which team you 'fit into' better, but if town lynches you, you'll flip red. That's good enough for me for now.
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On October 05 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 12:41 s0Lstice wrote:I got a question for you Oats. On September 27 2013 20:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
So Palmar, FT and Grack scumbuddies? Quote from day 1. Is this sincere? Why did you say this? Cant remember, probably because of some association. But it wasnt a joke. Why? 2 of them flipped town.
because in the quotes after that you give rayn shit for avoiding a townread on Palmar
On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE?
On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
But Palmar is?
I dont understand man.
On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
But Palmar is?
I dont understand man.
It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand. I kinda wanna lynch WoS. I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum. For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason.
Those aren't very far after. Seemingly contradictory, no?
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On October 05 2013 12:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol Wave, Palmar didnt say he didnt want to read me, he just found it difficult. Im sure there are many instances in his filter where he calls me town.
And I didn't say I didn't want to read Palmar. I said I couldn't.
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On October 05 2013 12:47 austinmcc wrote:
If we lynch you and you flip town, then yes we'll look at the filter from a townie pov.
And yeah, it's a bit silly to tell you to solve the game. But whatever. Do what you want, make some posts, maybe get Oats to scumclaim if he's actually scum.
If you're town, channel your post-lynch motivation and your inner-VA to get some correct reads and rub them in my face later (with the caveat that inner-VA refers to how much you relish rubbing something in someone else's face and not correctness of reads). Or some wrong reads and then rub then in my face. Or someone else's face.
why are you so slimy?
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