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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:20 GMT
#3001
Oh. nvm gotcha.

Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
September 18 2013 16:22 GMT
#3002
On September 19 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hows claiming vet draw out the SK?

If it did somehow do that, please enlighten me so that we can lynch him.

I talked about this already.
Scum hit does not go through on N1. They know who they hit. Scum fakeclaims vet. Koshi's response was obviously a blue (vet) claim.
1) Scum hit Koshi - Koshi is vet, no need to roleblock him on N2, just kill him dead.
2) Scum hit other then Koshi - Koshi is still a vet, roleblock and kill him on N2. The person scum hit is either SK or was docced (50%).

haha ok I'm not really going to even bother debating with you at this point. If you think I'm scum and I fake claimed in order to pull off this intricate play and catch the SK then I don't know what to tell you. I would never do that lol, I just wanted to get night killed...

Also you do realize the person I'm pointing to being the SK is you lol. So I guess that hypothetical makes you the SK.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 18 2013 16:22 GMT
#3003
as an aside, I think everyone has posted by now so town doesn't have a roleblocker unless they just don't wanna out themselves, but that would be fucking dumb right now when we're so close to solving this.

this means roleblocker in this game is scum and they wanted to see if I was SK. anyone remember who was saying I was SK?
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:22 GMT
#3004
On September 19 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh. nvm gotcha.

Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned.

I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:23 GMT
#3005
On September 19 2013 01:22 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 01:12 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hows claiming vet draw out the SK?

If it did somehow do that, please enlighten me so that we can lynch him.

I talked about this already.
Scum hit does not go through on N1. They know who they hit. Scum fakeclaims vet. Koshi's response was obviously a blue (vet) claim.
1) Scum hit Koshi - Koshi is vet, no need to roleblock him on N2, just kill him dead.
2) Scum hit other then Koshi - Koshi is still a vet, roleblock and kill him on N2. The person scum hit is either SK or was docced (50%).

haha ok I'm not really going to even bother debating with you at this point. If you think I'm scum and I fake claimed in order to pull off this intricate play and catch the SK then I don't know what to tell you. I would never do that lol, I just wanted to get night killed...

Also you do realize the person I'm pointing to being the SK is you lol. So I guess that hypothetical makes you the SK.

You saying i am SK does not make me SK. That's dumb argument.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:25 GMT
#3006
Grackaroni you fakeclaimed in order to get killed during the night. Then you retract from the claim before the night.. Right..
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:26 GMT
#3007
On September 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh. nvm gotcha.

Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned.

I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible?

Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos.

Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself.

On September 19 2013 01:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
as an aside, I think everyone has posted by now so town doesn't have a roleblocker unless they just don't wanna out themselves, but that would be fucking dumb right now when we're so close to solving this.

this means roleblocker in this game is scum and they wanted to see if I was SK. anyone remember who was saying I was SK?

I was saying it
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
September 18 2013 16:27 GMT
#3008
On September 19 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni you fakeclaimed in order to get killed during the night. Then you retract from the claim before the night.. Right..

I've explained this already.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 18 2013 16:30 GMT
#3009
On September 19 2013 01:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh. nvm gotcha.

Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned.

I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible?

Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos.

Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself.

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
as an aside, I think everyone has posted by now so town doesn't have a roleblocker unless they just don't wanna out themselves, but that would be fucking dumb right now when we're so close to solving this.

this means roleblocker in this game is scum and they wanted to see if I was SK. anyone remember who was saying I was SK?

I was saying it


That actually makes a lot of sense, nice analysis. My counter though is that what would you do if you were about to lose your godfather day 1? Could you keep a calm head and not panic in the shitshow that was the end of day 1? I wasn't around at the deadline but from the timestamps it looks like the voting was hectic and no one even knew the final tally.
I come in for the scraps
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:32 GMT
#3010
Well it was clear by the end that Either zealos or BD was lynched not OP, but in teh minutes leading up I agree it was close (as evidenced by OP voting zealos not blubb lol). However, with 3 wagons so close to even it should be clear that 2 other scum could easily influence it enough to save OP.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:33 GMT
#3011
Its also part of what clears zealos since he was around and left his vote on kush (LOL).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:40 GMT
#3012
On September 19 2013 01:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 19 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh. nvm gotcha.

Still, Grack/Pandain scumteam isn't possible as mentioned.

I am not really sure i understand you. Why is that not possible?

Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos.

Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself.

Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 01:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
as an aside, I think everyone has posted by now so town doesn't have a roleblocker unless they just don't wanna out themselves, but that would be fucking dumb right now when we're so close to solving this.

this means roleblocker in this game is scum and they wanted to see if I was SK. anyone remember who was saying I was SK?

I was saying it

No they couldn't. Because Pandain did not have blubbers as scum. Grackaroni has already switched from blubbers to OP (meaning OP is better lynch than blubbers for him).

Votes are 6 on OP, 4 on blubbers.

If BH is afk, and both of Pandain & Grack switch on blubbers, that will be the most obvious scum vote switch ever. Pandain has never had blubbers as scum, he has been advocating kush lynch. Grack has just switched to OP (when there was no much support on that lynch) with reasoning "this is better than blubbers lynch", blubbers is even voting for OP himself. Notice that when Grack switches to Zealos, his reasoning is "Pandain looks town from his recent posting". But Pandain is still telling people to lynch kush, not Zealos. Smells like a strategy from scum QT.

Also notice that at this point the votes are Zealos 4, OP 4, blubbers 4. Assume BH is still afk. OP was the first one with 4 votes and therefore to set lynched if nothing changes. Another lynch candidates (blubbers - has his vote on Zealos, Zealos - has his vote on kushmasta) might swap, at least Zealos. If Zealos switches to OP that's it, and Pandain looks fucking bad. What will blubbers do, will he stay on Zealos? Well for sure he won't vote for himself.

I do not think it's far fetched at all. In case OP comes in (or is not in fact afk) and votes for Zealos, what happens. "yo guys, we just lynched town with last minute wagon with all the fucking scum in it!". Looks good right?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:45 GMT
#3013
EBWOP: Neither of Pandain / Grack could have possibly justfy their vote switch in case they switched to blubbers.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:45 GMT
#3014
There were plenty of poorly justified last minute vote swaps. Theres no way scum doesn't feel comfortable moving enough to ensure OP doesn't get lynched.

ANYTHING is better than forcing OP to come back and claim.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:46 GMT
#3015
I mean, pandain DID last second swap to blubbers
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:48 GMT
#3016
On September 19 2013 01:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean, pandain DID last second swap to blubbers

If BlazingHand is assumed to be afk he HAS to do that, because otherwise BH get's lynched!!
Zealos will not get lynched if he comes back, because he has his vote on kush. He's gonna vote for blubbers/OP to save himself. He never switched, and to me that proves he is town.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:50 GMT
#3017
I know zealos is town...

And I want to lynch pandain

But grack aint his scumbuddy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:56 GMT
#3018
On September 19 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
I know zealos is town...

And I want to lynch pandain

But grack aint his scumbuddy.

Okay let's make this easy. These are the people who opposed the OP wagon (i don't mean didn't vote for him - but switched off of were against it):
blubbdavid, Koshi, SnB, Pandain, Grackaroni.

We know the three first of them are town by flips.
OP did not do anything to defend himself. Him not defending himself makes it likely for him to be afk. Do you think only one scum defended him? Only one scum defends him, and goes "fingers crossed, let's hope at least 5 townies make a stupid decision". I don't see that likely.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 18 2013 16:57 GMT
#3019
I was against the OP wagon. So was Dibbers I believe as well as vayne.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 18 2013 16:58 GMT
#3020
Grackaroni, do you think there was zero influence by scum in D1 mislynch? Do you think a lot of townies just fucked up majorly? Scum Godfather is going to get lynched, do you think scum just sat on their asses, did nothing and hoped for townies to fuck up?

Do you want to lynch Pandain?
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