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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck would i be okay with lynching debears? If you can make a decent case i could consider it. Now there are just some quotes from his filter and then people say "lol, scum". Whats with the strong green read then you want to be convinced? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats with the strong green read then you want to be convinced? I don't understand what you are saying.. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Then you say that you can be swayed. Why? Why would a case on debears make you change your mind? | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
I have no idea how you can possibly justify reading this filter and saying that Grack is mafia. Filter Ignoring HOW wrong he is, that is not how a scum plays unless you are literally better than Ace. He has been contributing actively, putting himself out there, fake claimed for no reason , and then un fake claimed for no reason . That is not a scum play style and he is not scum! I have defended myself plenty of times before, read my filter(it isn't that long). Yes, I thought OP was town, votes were piling on him too quickly. It just so happened that all votes ended up being town, but it could have more likely been the other way around and there were some scum in there. I justified myself and a lot of you guys even agreed with me, so now saying that I'm scum due to that is really really poor reasoning. You guys confuse honest incorrect analysis with scum shennanigans. Oats, look at my analysis of Zealos. Ignoring what I said about Vayne(which turned out to be incorrect, sorry didn't think about that), his play style fits with his mafia play style, doesn't fit with his play style, and he has been lurking. Only townie thing is that he ended up voting OP but its ridiculous to try and claim that scum wouldn't have bussed him after WoS was revealed to be a survivor. Oh my god you guys need help, I will be debunking Vayne's post now. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
So we lynch pandain  | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 00:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Compact read development of why grack and pandain are scum together. (pandain association, seeing a scum partner's opening post as scummy due to outside knowledge) This is so incredibly meta and relies on the assumption that we are scum. So this is all flawed unless we're scum. (We later find out WoS is survivor, so this is why I added this quote. Looks like WoS knows something is up but doesn't give a shit since he's 3P) (starts attacking me day 2 when it is town sentiment that im scummy) This kind of argument is also bad. (You guys say I go after easy targets, maybe it's because they're clearly scum? I've put in more logical analysis then you guys, which are based on assumptions and meta.) This isn't even an attack, it's a response as to why he thinks you're scum. (Pandain association) The whole fakeclaim thing, can't even quote any of that to summarize how dumb/anti-town it was It is the exact opposite of anti-town. It is so dumb that it is town. The only reasoning was an honest Grack attempt to help the thread, it wasn't out of any possible scum motivation that you can possibly imagine. Name me a single anti-town motivation. That's right, there isn't any. In fact, the fact he then backtracked is so town because it is so fricking weird. (I forgot pandain was even in this game at this point, he is the lurker.) (ignore staged argument since that's wrong now, but fact stands that their argument shit up the thread) (abrupt reads change to agree with town sentiment, association tells galore) And finally, the most recent argument where grack tries to paint me as scum based on a mod question. LOL! If anyone doesn't think that grack/pandain are the last scum then too bad, guess you can't be convinced. The rest of your arguments also rely on the assumption we're scum. In fact really all of them do. Not very good reasoning, not good logic, Grack is really town and anyone is wrong to say otherwise. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Well first, you imply that you think debears is strongly town. Then you say that you can be swayed. Why? Why would a case on debears make you change your mind? I have not implied i think he is strongly town for me. I think he is SK to be honest. But i do not think he is scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
fake claimed for no reason , and then un fake claimed for no reason . This is it right here. Thats why I think hes scum. Also his randomass unvote of OP on day 1 without saying other than 'this feels bad' | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have not implied i think he is strongly town for me. I think he is SK to be honest. But i do not think he is scum. Didn't I prove we should be lynching SK today? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Why the fuck would i be okay with lynching debears? Explain this then rayn? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:21 Grackaroni wrote: Also I think this post basically implies that I am town. He's saying, no I can't be scum because Grack is town and when I'm scum I like to bus. Huh.. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
How do you explain Grackaroni's vote switch on D1 based on his reasoning? Grack thinks Pandain & SnB & OP are scum. Grack has his vote on OP. SnB pushes Zealos lynch. Pandain makes a couple of good posts (according to Grack) and advocates kush lynch Grack switches to Zealos. Explain it to me from town pov. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:32 Sn0_Man wrote: See rayn? Pandain proves grack town. So we lynch pandain You have been tunneled after me since day one, I ignored you since it didn't matter then. Now it does because if we have four different targets scum will never get lynched. On September 19 2013 00:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Pandain, zealos IS NOT SCUM. He could very very easily be 3p (I half wanna say jester lol). If you can PROVE that he is the SK (maybe, say, SnB was pushing him or somethign) then we can talk but if you want to lynch him you have to prove him the SK. Stop saying "this looks like his scum game" because he aint scum. The point is he's not town. That's the crux of my argument. I don't care if he's SK(in fact it's better), and I disagree with you guys who rely on meta-analysis that it's impossible that he's scum. Read my argument, he doesn't give a shit this game, he gives shits in other games, and shares his shit with the rest of the town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Didn't I prove we should be lynching SK today? Actually sn0, explain the difference between SK and scum please. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Thinking debears is not in my top 2 candidates for scum != strong town read.. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote: This is it right here. Thats why I think hes scum. Also his randomass unvote of OP on day 1 without saying other than 'this feels bad' Please reflect on the matter. Give me an honest justification for that fakeclaim/anti fake claim? Distract the thread? Really he would put that much suspicion on himself to try and shit up the thread? On September 19 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain, i am pretty sure i asked you about this earlier, but i'll ask you again: How do you explain Grackaroni's vote switch on D1 based on his reasoning? Grack thinks Pandain & SnB & OP are scum. Grack has his vote on OP. SnB pushes Zealos lynch. Pandain makes a couple of good posts (according to Grack) and advocates kush lynch Grack switches to Zealos. Explain it to me from town pov. Because he agreed with my logic, which is perfectly sound, that a) Day one votes are usually guided my lurking mafia b) votes on OP were strange and unjustified, and also conflicted with people who previously liked OP That reasoning led me to mistakenly believe that OP is town, but the only reason I was wrong is because it actually happened that the lurking town led the vote, which is almost never the case. It happened that people piled on OP, but that vote honestly at that time was a poor choice and there wasn't enough evidence to really lynch him. Grack ended up believing me, however, on the vote issue. Townie thinking. Also ignore that matter, and look at his filter. Recognize townies make mistakes and weird things(for example you have pushed literally everyone in the thread at some time as scum), and instead look if they made honest mistakes. Grack did, he has been pro town otherwise. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Lynching SK effectively halves the anti-town KP since town is far enough ahead this game (due to 15 player 3 scum setup) that SK will be hitting town as much as possible. Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. not that. How you find the SK as opposed to scum. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Lynching SK effectively halves the anti-town KP since town is far enough ahead this game (due to 15 player 3 scum setup) that SK will be hitting town as much as possible. Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. The point is that we should, at the core, lynch people who are anti town. There may be signs they are scum, with more information and flips we can narrow others down. But Zealos is the most likely of flipping either scum or SK, please reflect on his prior games and then come back to me. | ||
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