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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Thinking debears is not in my top 2 candidates for scum != strong town read.. So 'why the fuck would I be ok lynching X person' will be applicable to anyone other than top 2 candidates for scum? Uh ok. No, I dont believe this. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:44 Pandain wrote: Please reflect on the matter. Give me an honest justification for that fakeclaim/anti fake claim? Distract the thread? Really he would put that much suspicion on himself to try and shit up the thread? Lol what suspicion did he get put under? Absolutely nothing. The fakeclaim was to out the vet IMO, then he unfakeclaims and apologizes. The thing that makes me think he's town is that in his unfakeclaiming post, he posted that he doesnt want to be thought of confirmed town for the claim. Which is an odd mindset for scum. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
@Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:49 Sn0_Man wrote: Zealos *cannot* be scum lol. If we are 100% that he is antitown then I agree he is the best lynch because that makes him SK. @Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. I think you misunderstand my question. How do you know we arent lynching bad town as opposed to SK? Like, nobody plays SK the same, so its not like you can use meta or normal scumtells and shit. So how do you find this SK? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Hmm, either way, I'm town, but whatever. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol what suspicion did he get put under? Absolutely nothing. The fakeclaim was to out the vet IMO, then he unfakeclaims and apologizes. The thing that makes me think he's town is that in his unfakeclaiming post, he posted that he doesnt want to be thought of confirmed town for the claim. Which is an odd mindset for scum. He didn't get put any under suspicion because I correctly identified that it is too risky and too bold for a mafia to try and fake claim a vet in order to, as you say, out another vet. A vet is such a small part of the game, only one person versus ~3 other blues and however other many town members. You really think his goal was to out a vet? What if a vet did claim? Then shit, total suspicion on Grack. We would have had a totally different game, and probably would have lynched Grack. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you misunderstand my question. How do you know we arent lynching bad town as opposed to SK? Like, nobody plays SK the same, so its not like you can use meta or normal scumtells and shit. So how do you find this SK? Thats why i don't want to lynch zealos. I just said, I don't know how to isolate the SK. I was hoping others did. Since he is the best lynch. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:53 Pandain wrote: He didn't get put any under suspicion because I correctly identified that it is too risky and too bold for a mafia to try and fake claim a vet in order to, as you say, out another vet. A vet is such a small part of the game, only one person versus ~3 other blues and however other many town members. You really think his goal was to out a vet? What if a vet did claim? Then shit, total suspicion on Grack. We would have had a totally different game, and probably would have lynched Grack. Then Grack apologetically unfakeclaims. You dont see the play here? He knows his plan is to fakeclaim vet, then fakeclaim VT. Low risk IMO and possible we think that hes town for doing some retarded shit. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
He changed the time stamp. Scum more likely to think of that. Also he had a mod supplied fake claim he wanted townie mileage from | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol what suspicion did he get put under? Absolutely nothing. The fakeclaim was to out the vet IMO, then he unfakeclaims and apologizes. The thing that makes me think he's town is that in his unfakeclaiming post, he posted that he doesnt want to be thought of confirmed town for the claim. Which is an odd mindset for scum. Because you don't have to be a fucking mafia god to come up with that kinda stuff as a team! Also if a townie looking dude does that nobody will think he is scum for that. Pandain you should know that too. I bet you are experienced enough to know that. Example: + Show Spoiler + This is from scum QT in GoT when Koshi was like confirmed scum for ~half of the active players: raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) You can accuse fellow mafians if you have a "good" reason to. We are good enough to defend ourselves. Just do not make an idiot out of yourself by stupid stuff, that gets you policy lynched. For example, if there is anything that contradicts with your mindset in me, ask me questions. Be aggressive towards me. I do not mind, i can defend myself. You need to interact with your scumbuddies aswell, because we will lose member(s) at some point and you look terrible if you do not talk about your scumbuddies at all. Especially now when you are "under attack", even if you make a case on scum, you have no credit. There is no harm, IF YOUR CASE IS BELIEVEABLE from town pov. It does not have to be right, it has to be so that you look town. If you dunno how to do that, attack suspicious townies instead. :D raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:15 PM ET (US) Do not afk. That´s the worst thing you can do. I´m gonna push a lynch on a lurker if necessay (FT, Risen looks really bad, nachodude, Sharrant, etc.) Just remember this: Keep track of where your town!mind is. What are your "intentions", who do you think is mafia, what has your game plan been, who does oppose your game plan and "what that might mean". You are ok if you follow these things, whether or not you are right. Koshi 08-08-2013 06:08 PM ET (US) How do I enter the thread now? Or do I keep afk? Koshi 08-08-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) Ok, then I hold it back for when people ask me questions. I can trow Clarity under the bus at the same time because he soft defended OAts twice already and FoS me with a silly reason. raynpelikoneet 08-08-2013 06:05 PM ET (US) TLDR; It does not matter who you accuse, but keep your story straight. Koshi made a theory that was obviously wrong but it bought him town credit for the rest of the game. Scum handle this shit together, it's not like Grackaroni is making only his own decisions if he is scum. wtf is with you people? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats why i don't want to lynch zealos. I just said, I don't know how to isolate the SK. I was hoping others did. Since he is the best lynch. This is incredibly scummy man. 'hey guys kill SK, oh wait i have no clue who he is or how to find him. Welp.' Lets not scumhunt either. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:49 Sn0_Man wrote: Zealos *cannot* be scum lol. If we are 100% that he is antitown then I agree he is the best lynch because that makes him SK. @Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. We don't have to be 100%, I at least am far more certain than anyone else he is antitown. There is like a .5% chance that Grack is scum, and a .0005 chance he is SK. I also disagree that he cannot be scum. Zealos did not vote for OP. BH could have thought he would gain town cred if he last second voted Zealos, which he would've. They could have miscalculated and thought they had to vote Zealos or OP would be lynched. There are too many variables you leave out and then make assumptions of when in reality it was a last 5 minute vote scram. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
SnB died last night as the second shot. He was the one that said he was going to push zealos tomorrow. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:58 Pandain wrote: We don't have to be 100%, I at least am far more certain than anyone else he is antitown. There is like a .5% chance that Grack is scum, and a .0005 chance he is SK. I also disagree that he cannot be scum. Zealos did not vote for OP. BH could have thought he would gain town cred if he last second voted Zealos, which he would've. They could have miscalculated and thought they had to vote Zealos or OP would be lynched. There are too many variables you leave out and then make assumptions of when in reality it was a last 5 minute vote scram. Why did Zealos not vote for blubbers then? Do you think scum/SK agree on dying instead of voting for anyone who is not in their team, let it be just for living another phase? Zealos was there. He was in thread. He was about to get lynched. It makes zero sense if he is not town. He is town. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
Based on the QT, Pan looks pretty town too. This leaves: kushm4sta VayneAuthority Oatsmaster raynpelikoneet Grackaroni Papa_Smurf Sn0_Man I don't think kush is scum. He has been actively hunting all game, including calling me reasonably town. I know myself that I am town, so he hasn't tried to push a mislynch on me. Leaving: VayneAuthority Oatsmaster raynpelikoneet Grackaroni Papa_Smurf Sn0_Man I'm not so much of a fan of rayn anymore. On page 23 for example he goes from voting for me in one post, to calling me town in the next. Hmm. He throws accusations everywhere. Will post more after eating. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 19 2013 02:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Then Grack apologetically unfakeclaims. You dont see the play here? He knows his plan is to fakeclaim vet, then fakeclaim VT. Low risk IMO and possible we think that hes town for doing some retarded shit. High risk. Because you guys would have bandwagoned(although I would have protested again, knowing how idiotic it was) against Grack for a false fake claim which he would have only un-fakeclaimed after being shown wrong. You guys would have thought he was making stuff up and trying to gain blue status. On September 19 2013 03:00 Sn0_Man wrote: Aaaaand before WoS flipped survivor zealos was mega-bussing OP N1? yeah no He never bussed OP Night One, wwhhhhaaatt? Only post was here: On September 14 2013 07:00 Zealos wrote: Also, so casual OP switching votes while inactive in thread. Smooth. This helps indicate the theory he's SK as it seems he's against OP, but again I refrain from such absolutes. On September 19 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did Zealos not vote for blubbers then? Do you think scum/SK agree on dying instead of voting for anyone who is not in their team, let it be just for living another phase? Zealos was there. He was in thread. He was about to get lynched. It makes zero sense if he is not town. He is town. I refrain from such absolutes, and the only thing that you have convinced me of is he is SK rather than scum. Sno are you happy, I mainly agree now, though still don't real out scum. He is not playing town, how can you accuse everyone EXCEPT Zealos when Zealos is the most ANTI TOWN out of anyone. | ||
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