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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Okay dibbers, Zealos is the SK (I'm not disagreeing or agreeing right now). Who is scum? We scratched kush off your list, leaving Grack. Theres at least one more no? Kush is still scum. No wants wants to lynch him. anyways grack would fit with him. Va possibly could. Sn0 could. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:17 Papa_Smurf wrote: Kush is still scum. No wants wants to lynch him. anyways grack would fit with him. Va possibly could. Sn0 could. Why is Pandain town? | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On September 18 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense this is pretty much the only thing this game that paints kush as scum, besides that he has looked pretty town recently. (biased since he came to a similar conclusion as me) | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
basically his play overall and how he relates to you. I only see him being scum if you are scum(or sk). I dont see either of those right now | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:37 Papa_Smurf wrote: basically his play overall and how he relates to you. I only see him being scum if you are scum(or sk). I dont see either of those right now Uhh.. how does he exactly relate to me? I can't understand a thing you say.. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uhh.. how does he exactly relate to me? I can't understand a thing you say.. If you look at d1 with your interactions, you could see how you two interact with the thread that would make you both seem town. If you weren't town, the interaction (OP scummier than Pandain stuff) would mean you are both scum (or one scum one sk). As I said, I think you are both town, so doesn't really matter | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: So where did everyone go when we started talking about scum instead of SK? As I said I had class. If I had to guess, it would be Vayne for scum. It's a bunch of little things. + Show Spoiler + He voted Blub who we now know is town. It's alright, a whole bunch of others did too (and I chose him over BH). This post is suspicious: On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote: this time im his town buddy bro also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL @papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona Assumes that kush is town at day one, weird assumption to make. Assumes they're both town? Covering? Slipped knowledge kush is town? A lot of possibilties, but most lead to a scum reason why. On September 14 2013 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: im back, catching up now. saw the mislynch though =/ gotta look at the people that followed my wagon with little to no support. He was leading a wagon? Makes it seem like others are at fault and not him. There are more posts like this, it's not certain but its a guess. He also is playing similar to his town game in Titanic. I would say he's playing a good game of mafia, but mafia none the less. Don't understand why people say my posts make me pro-town and then when it happens I'm wrong(it's ok, it's mafia) people say I'm mafia. I did what I did because it made sense, and I explain it. I also think Kush is still a good choice, but think Zealos is the best choice. Sno can you explain why you think I'm scum? All I get from you is that I'm going after the "easiest" lynches. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
A large part of it also being how you interacted with OP. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
was rereading koshi, I disagree with him on some points, but I'll trust his read on kush. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:15 Sn0_Man wrote: The complete lack of scumhunting, the ridiculous vote swaps latelatelate day 1, etc. Built upon an early scumread that I let slide when your posting improved but I'm having a hard time giving up completely. Virtually every reasonable scumteam that I can come up with includes you. A large part of it also being how you interacted with OP. I've scum hunted plenty. It's just that I like to analyze rather than post every opinion I have which is likely to change. That's why I go after my best reads rather than everyone at once, because my reads on other players will change eventually anyway. I'm trying my best with classes, judge what I have based on the quality of the posts. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
On September 17 2013 17:25 Koshi wrote: kushm4sta, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni The Awesome Town Team. Don't-dare-to-fucking-touch-them-town. Umasi, Mr Snowman, Strongandbig Not yet part of the cool kids club. But town. Umasi too dramaqueen, Snowman too agressive for scummer. Small filters though. Strongandbig Wanted to place you with The "Red" Smurf. But you somewhat deserve to be 1 step above him. (little step) Papa_Smurf scum 4. If Zealos is town. Here you got the scummer. I already made cases in the past. Reasons: 1) 45% of his yelling he says Kush is scum, as the Kush meta-master he made some silly case in the start that nobody believed, even though debears knew Kush was scum from Kush his first post (debears was still incognito), he never revelead his awesome metaread and was never able to convince anybody from the awesome town team that kush is actually scum. This doesn't bother Debears at all. 2) 45% of his other yelling is saying I am scum. He retracted that recently. 3) PS his debunking of cases against him and his talk about setup is intelligent and easy to read. PS his scumhunting is messy and no intelligence is radiating from it. Look at the N1 post. When he was still undercover I could actually follow his logic. Too bad that didn't last long. Why aren't you a scummer? There are things that speak in your advantage, no need to talk about them though. Turn around and join the Awesome Town Team. Zealos sigh. You being scum is sadly too easy, nothing in your filter says you are scum. You are scum because: 1) BH picked to change his vote to you last second while blubb was the obvious change if he wanted to claim survivor. 2) Pandain decided it was better to spare your life. The good part is that you can also be a bad SK. Not as bad as CaucasianAsian played SK in NWM, I can give you that. Pandain I don't like shit about this guy. I had somewhere a flare of maybe this guy isn't scum vibe after he gave me a townread N1 and a scumread on OP. But I don't think Pandain and PS are both scum. Pandain has an higher chance to be scum. Read the Kushm4st3r his awesome posts for more reasons. Also this: I told you I was the strongest townie! VayneAuthority VA knows 1 thing, if I can get to lylo I can't let the town circlejerk that is rayn, Koshi, kush be. So he needed to put some distrust between us. I already made a case against VA in the past, that point stays. He also picked a shitfest with me after the Grack-claims-veteran debacle. I thought for a second that it was to get me off the PS trail but Grack already did that so nah. Maybe VA just loves to pick fights with me when we are from different allignments. Anyway, VA didn't even comment on anything else. Funny fact: VA did nothing that entire night except pick a fight with me, even though there was enough to talk about. After I left and he blamed me some more he didn't even do anything else himself! This isn't enough to convict VA. I realize that. But I know this for sure. VA is anti town. I know it in my bones. I have the weakest case against VA but he is scum/SK w.e I am certain he is not playing for town. Conclusion: Lynch VA or Pandain. Specifically this. I'm not sold on Vayne and Pandain, and think papa smurf is townie....but that leaves what, zealos? There are pretty compelling cases for why zealos isn't scum. I want to lynch him because he's anti-town, but I'm not sure :| | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:02 Papa_Smurf wrote: If you look at d1 with your interactions, you could see how you two interact with the thread that would make you both seem town. If you weren't town, the interaction (OP scummier than Pandain stuff) would mean you are both scum (or one scum one sk). As I said, I think you are both town, so doesn't really matter Wait.. What does me saying OP's opening posts were scummier than Pandain's have to do with his alignment? That was a fact whatever Pandain's alignment is. That does not however make him town. If i am scum that does not make him scum, why would it? In fact, if i was scum i wouldn't have called out my Godfather town before the other guy (in fact i would not have called either of them out, at least after it was clear people did not want to discuss OP with me for some reason). I was making a comparsion besides two people, one of who had bad reasons + fluff in his posts, and another one who had bad reasons + good reasons in his posts. I couldn't understand why people saw Pandain's post bad enough to discuss and OP's post not worth discussing. That however does not make them both town, and i do not how you are making a relation (same alignment) between us. If Pandain is scum why i must be SK, why can't i be town? If Pandain is SK why must i be scum? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:19 Pandain wrote: I've scum hunted plenty. It's just that I like to analyze rather than post every opinion I have which is likely to change. That's why I go after my best reads rather than everyone at once, because my reads on other players will change eventually anyway. I'm trying my best with classes, judge what I have based on the quality of the posts. He's talking to Pandain i think. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 05:19 Pandain wrote: I am going to sing a song now. *why are people retarded* *it is clear OP isn't mafia, there's no active resistance to his lynch* *It's going so well* *he also isn't spamming and will contribute* *also why do people vote him and then say peace out without any analysis* *why are people retarded* On September 14 2013 06:27 Pandain wrote: Hi everyone, clear your heads for a moment. Old Person is clearly not mafia. There is no strong push against him except really by me, joined by Papa_Smurf. Rayn has also attempted to get SnB lynched. Blub was a lynch no one actively pushed but rather occurred over time. Umasi, Grack, and Wave gave random votes. Grack never explained, and Wave and Umasi's filters go against what they said before. Umasi said OP was cool with him(and OP didn't post after Umasi). Wave never even really mentioned OP. THESE VOTES DONT MAKE SENSE AND THEY ARE STRANGE Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched. As a whole these votes don't make sense . It doesn't mean they're mafia, but it means it doesn't make sense . Also note how everyone has already voted. And everyone is on one of the three lynches, except for SnB/Zelous who are voting each other. I would encourage you guys to both vote kush. Old Person has been suddenly bandwagoned by people who voted him despite no evidence they had suspicions of him. Then they left. Not all of these are mafia, but some of them certainly might be. The bandwagon on OP is so strange and indicates he is town . Mafia would not have let him die and would've softly defended him earlier against suspicions/pushed him aside . Furthermore, even ignoring all the above, OP has shown he has and will contribute, and indicates that he will contribute more later on. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
On September 14 2013 05:32 Sn0_Man wrote: Dibbers has been hella townie all game. I agree that the OP wagon looks like the wagon of injustice, only who the fuck is it saving if its scum driving it? That gives me some pause. Still think blubbers is the lynch. | ||
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