EPTOn June 11 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
i wanna
Shoot HAPA.
i wanna
Shoot HAPA.
so helpeful
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Blazinghand
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Hapahauli
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You're just shouting non-allignment indicative statements: On June 11 2013 12:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Hapa why are you so wrong? Obviously I'm capable of leading a mislynch as town, especially on Day 1. Why do you not have any current scum reads? I've mentioned several in my filter that you are not reading. And even if I didn't, we're one hour into N1 after my top scum-read just flipped town. So it's not like it matters. Why do you bitch fight with BH about nothing? Bitch fighting isn't scummy, is it? Like I just really don't understand it. It seems like you're screaming about imperfections in my play rather than objectively considering it. So why are you suspicious of me? Let's hash this out. | ||
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Hapahauli
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AxleGreaser
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On June 11 2013 11:27 ShiaoPi wrote: for what it is worth i suggest shooting stutters. Have not played with him so i am unfamiliar with his meta. but he has been flying perfectly under the radar and not contributed much + Show Spoiler [explained in Axle_English (aka lots)] + Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. As that makes it too easy for scum and still 12 hrs to go, I went to bed.(I probably have a screen shot of it somewhere.) To some extent the problem I had with your play at that time still exists. However, even though since then you posted some, even ran what looked like an unlikely mayoral campaign here That post contains, some analysis demonstrating you have demonstrated ability to participate in the thread but had not done that much during the day. Thus in terms of the BH diagram + Show Spoiler + but relabelled What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing This game TBMK does not have a whole lot of What town really cant have a reason for doing that is what was stumping town jampidampi at the end. What Find in you, perhaps what you just found in stutters, is player who has less green they really should be able to provide me. (In this case the greens and reads are only... What is In your case the first part of the day was only hard in that you had be able to post in a relaxed enough way(?) that hapa got town read on you for it. (at the time an EARLY D1 read) That your play for most of the day chose to do things that are easy for scum to do, makes me go hmm. TLDR; How come you lurked for so long yesterday. It makes you look scummy to me. It especially makes you look scummy when later on you showed it was potentially possible for you not to Lurk but analyse. (Contrast with Sylencia, who to me is just Sylencia, and not Sylencia quieter than normal cos scared.) What say you? @Thread and BTW thread lurking tonight will in my eyes convict you. Dont do that. pls. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Was that above post directed towards Shaio or to Stutters? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Bitch fighting isn't scummy, is it? it is actually. Especially with stuff that doesnt really concern you and doesnt have a visible effect on my posting. The reason why its scummy is cause you look good because you are standing up for the smaller man, in this case me. also On June 11 2013 11:15 Hapahauli wrote: Oh huh well no vet powers for me. That's silly. Sorry jampi. Wish you posted more. You thought of mayor powers before the actual flip result. Like jampi was your ONLY scumread it seemed before the flip, you looked like you were pretty certain. The post seems like you kinda expected it and is what I wouldve expected out of BH maybe cause he thought jampi was town. Pregame: On June 04 2013 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: /in ***I'm going to be trying some play-style changes (namely being less spammy), so this is advanced notice*** And then throughout the game, you say that you are definitely matching with your previous town meta. I assume you didnt change your playstyle then. Why didnt you? This is interesting. On June 09 2013 17:12 Hapahauli wrote: As for my read on jampi in particular, this post struck me as absurdly genuine: It's a very blunt, honest, and complete picture of his thought-process. Scum under pressure would likely fudge some answer about how ShiaoPi's meta is so obvious on a simple readthrough of his past scum-games. Instead, jampi is using a lot of arguments that scum would be incredibly scared of using. Like what scum would admit that they haven't read one of my scum-games before deciding to trust me? Now to emphasize, this does not mean that I'll forget about Jampi for the rest of the game because I think he's confirmed town. Rather, a good portion of the reason I'm making these reads is to make people start actually talking about reads/analysis and to direct my early-game focus. Also, I'm usually pretty accurate with my early-game reads :3 OH SHIT HAPA. OH SHIT 180 that you never explained what exactly made you doubt your initial read. From experience, there are certain posts that only townies make, and it looked like the one you pointed out was one of those. Why did you doubt your initial read if it was so good Hapa? And then he hammers Jampi with the meta case. I find it difficult to believe that someone who was hydraed with Jampi was so wrong about him. | ||
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Hapahauli
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it is actually. Especially with stuff that doesnt really concern you and doesnt have a visible effect on my posting. The reason why its scummy is cause you look good because you are standing up for the smaller man, in this case me. This is just completely incorrect analysis. Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? You can't just say an action is scummy without considering all the possibilities. Like a possible motive behind "bitch-fighting" can be scummy, however not all motives are. Furthermore, you're harping on a really small segment of my gameplay. I'd understand your suspicions if my entire filter was like this, but you're narrowing in on a small argument I had with Blazinghand and blowing it out of proportion in the context of my play. You thought of mayor powers before the actual flip result. Yes, so? I've been eager to see what my mayor powers will be all day. I've posted to that effect several times. Wouldn't you be excited to get the keys to the city? Like jampi was your ONLY scumread it seemed before the flip, you looked like you were pretty certain. The post seems like you kinda expected it and is what I wouldve expected out of BH maybe cause he thought jampi was town. That's flat-out false. I went after BlazingHand as well leading up to the flip, and that much should be obvious from my filter. As far as my reaction to jampi's flip... what do you want me to do, sob wildly that I mislynched someone? I mislynch people all the time. I'm annoyed and frustrated, but at the end of the day, I realize that it's D1 and you have to move on and continue scum-hunting. Dwelling on something won't find us mafia ya know. And then throughout the game, you say that you are definitely matching with your previous town meta. I assume you didnt change your playstyle then. Why didnt you? Wait. So you think I'm suspicious for not changing my normal town-playstyle? How does that make sense at all? But if you must know, I was really frustrated with the lurkiness in the game and I was put in a position where I had to generate activity to get anything out of Day 1. Please keep in mind that I had an excuse to lurk and be passive all of today and I chose not to and instead to lead a mayoral campaign and be the most active player in the thread. If you think that is suspicious, then I doubt I'll ever be able to say anything to change your mind. OH SHIT HAPA. OH SHIT 180 that you never explained what exactly made you doubt your initial read. From experience, there are certain posts that only townies make, and it looked like the one you pointed out was one of those. Why did you doubt your initial read if it was so good Hapa? And then he hammers Jampi with the meta case. I find it difficult to believe that someone who was hydraed with Jampi was so wrong about him. When I hydra'd with Jampi, I think he made 5 posts all game, and 1-2 posts in our hydra QT. We didn't have much interaction, and it was basically me playing all game there. You should know this given that you tried to mislynch me in that game as scum. Secondly, I don't understand why you think 180's are suspicious. I think I justified my vote on Jampi really well. Obviously it was wrong in retrospect, but it's really easy for someone to come into the thread post-lynch and say Jampi is town without having been there before the lynch. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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Sorry seemed self evident when i wrote it as i quoted shiaopi also it started life without the spoiler hence said: Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. On June 11 2013 12:27 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler [explained in Axle_English (aka lots)] + Last night just before your post, I was debating whether to raise the spectre of lurker lynching you. As that makes it too easy for scum and still 12 hrs to go, I went to bed.(I probably have a screen shot of it somewhere.) To some extent the problem I had with your play at that time still exists. However, even though since then you posted some, even ran what looked like an unlikely mayoral campaign here That post contains, some analysis demonstrating you have demonstrated ability to participate in the thread but had not done that much during the day. Thus in terms of the BH diagram + Show Spoiler + but relabelled What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doing This game TBMK does not have a whole lot of What town really cant have a reason for doing that is what was stumping town jampidampi at the end. What Find in you, perhaps what you just found in stutters, is player who has less green they really should be able to provide me. (In this case the greens and reads are only... What is In your case the first part of the day was only hard in that you had be able to post in a relaxed enough way(?) that hapa got town read on you for it. (at the time an EARLY D1 read) That your play for most of the day chose to do things that are easy for scum to do, makes me go hmm. TLDR; @Shisopi How come you lurked for so long yesterday. It makes you look scummy to me. It especially makes you look scummy when later on you showed it was potentially possible for you not to Lurk but analyse. (Contrast with Sylencia, who to me is just Sylencia, and not Sylencia quieter than normal cos scared.) What say you? @Thread and BTW thread lurking tonight will in my eyes convict you. Dont do that. pls. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I'll let Shaio answer for himself, but I will say that he's not very active early-game in his town or scum games. What's distinguishable about his meta is his attitude and bravery. For example in his scum-games, he's absurdly passive and really tries to blend in. His mayoral campaign in the early game (even if based on cookies), is the exact opposite of that. Also, his case on Vayne seems genuine. Even if it was incorrect, I can sympathize with the analysis, and I can't see it being malicious coming from Shaio. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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The bitchfight thing. I think in this circumstance, you made a big deal out of a whole lotta nothing. Either cause you felt BH was being a dick, or you thought you could attack BH over it. I think its the second one and its scummy. Furthermore, you're harping on a really small segment of my gameplay Its like 1 out of 4-5 points. I dont think thats harping on it in the slightest, why would you think that way? Yes, so? I've been eager to see what my mayor powers will be all day. I've posted to that effect several times. Wouldn't you be excited to get the keys to the city? Yeah i would be excited as scum cause I know who flips what, not so excited as town because i really rather lynch scum that have a blue role. Why are you excited about getting a blue role????? Please keep in mind that I had an excuse to lurk and be passive all of today and I chose not to and instead to lead a mayoral campaign and be the most active player in the thread. If you think that is suspicious, then I doubt I'll ever be able to say anything to change your mind. I just think that it could be you got scum, then was worried if you played lurky and passive, you would get lynched. Thats what happened when mocsta said he was gonna change his playstyle but then rolled scum and played the same way. PRECEDENCE. I dont understand why you think BH is scum beyond 'antagonizing' me(not true) and thinking jampi was town. Those are horrible reasons. Please have better ones. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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also you disagree with me voting jampi for the reawons i stated? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? | ||
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Hapahauli
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The bitchfight thing. I think in this circumstance, you made a big deal out of a whole lotta nothing. Either cause you felt BH was being a dick, or you thought you could attack BH over it. I think its the second one and its scummy. Well first of all, please separate my actual suspicions of BH with my morality spazz. I honestly just really hated the way he was going after you. I think such antagonism leads to a very negative town atomsphere. But you didn't answer my questions: Townies "bitch-fight" all the time, true or false? I "bitch-fight" in my town games, true or false? I "bitch fight" in my scum-games, true or false? Answers bolded for you. Yeah i would be excited as scum cause I know who flips what, not so excited as town because i really rather lynch scum that have a blue role. Why are you excited about getting a blue role????? Why wouldn't I be excited about getting a power role? It's like getting a brand new video game. I got excited about the only good thing to happen at the Day 1 flip. I just think that it could be you got scum, then was worried if you played lurky and passive, you would get lynched. Thats what happened when mocsta said he was gonna change his playstyle but then rolled scum and played the same way. PRECEDENCE. All this "I could have done this" or "I could have done that" talk is fallicious. Unlike other people who have changed their scum-meta, I already have a well-established one. I have tried to change it multiple times and have miserably failed every time. Or let me pose the question: sure it is possible that I'm playing by far the best scum-game of my TL career, but how likely is it? I dont understand why you think BH is scum beyond 'antagonizing' me(not true) and thinking jampi was town. Those are horrible reasons. Please have better ones. I'm rather conflicted on BH tbh. I made that clear in this post: On June 11 2013 11:31 Hapahauli wrote: Yes and no. I have a conflicting read on you, in that I think you are being useless and scummy, however you're really really annoying this game and have an attitude that appears not to care about your perception in the thread. I'm not sure which one outweighs which right now. BH's only major analytical contributions this game are a handful of town-reads, as well as what I perceive to be a bad tunnel on you. Furthermore, his push of you is filled with personal insults, and it looked like he wanted to provoke you more than anything else. Whether or not you actually were antagonized by BH is really not the issue - the issue is one of BH's intent. However I have reasons to think that BH is town as well. He doesn't seem to care much about his image, and generally when I try to lynch players for being annoying, it ends fairly badly. That's the feeling I have about BH right now - he's being annoying, which is a sign that he's showing a town mentality, and not posting to please the town and blend in. Anything else I can address for you? At a certain point though, I can't really defend myself against a person who's not willing to take the time and thought to read my filter and objectively think about it. So even if you don't think I'm town, I have to have 1 or 2 scumbuddies, so I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about other suspects. | ||
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goodkarma
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A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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On June 11 2013 12:57 Hapahauli wrote: Oh 'doh I can't read. I'll let Shaio answer for himself, but I will say that he's not very active early-game in his town or scum games. What's distinguishable about his meta is his attitude and bravery. For example in his scum-games, he's absurdly passive and really tries to blend in. His mayoral campaign in the early game (even if based on cookies), is the exact opposite of that. Also, his case on Vayne seems genuine. Even if it was incorrect, I can sympathize with the analysis, and I can't see it being malicious coming from Shaio. {Correct or not} is not in some sense highly statistically revealing , (<see both nots) lots of town lynches (let alone wagons) is wrong a lot of the time (about half in tight games) (referring to my earlier post re BH vs Oats and the huge spoiler thing to grav man) Who voted for jampi and how/why, is one question. Also as it is pretty unlikely (IMO) Scum would fake claim cop at the time Vayne did, pretty much over rules any feel reads I had before that. Who voted for also very probable town Vayne and how/why, is another question. When asking how why, the question is, is it consistent with who they are and normally do things. I wish to state again in the light of mayor mechanics. We are going to be scum hunting like blue arsed flies all night and interacting, and not lurking. Often i suspect at night is when the votes leading up to the lynch get quietly analysed. Don't let the change game flow distract you(@everybody) from doing that too.+ Show Spoiler + No thats not me telling you how to suck eggs hapa | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On June 11 2013 13:04 ShiaoPi wrote: axle am i reading you correctly that you are calling me out for being somewhat passive after the game started while I could have went in with a bang as in doing heavy analysis right off the bat? also you disagree with me voting jampi for the reawons i stated? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? answering to you now based on these premises: early game I am not too active usually, just how it is. Day 1s always are a bit tedious to get the ball roling. did try to do it with prodding vayne. I assume your main problem with me is the lack of activity between my last prod of vayne and my larger analysis post? first off I went to bed after prodding vayne. had a long day at university afterwards, so I could only return to the thread in the evening. As I am posting now, you know that I am able to read/check during the day via phone. I did that too yesterday. so you could say I was technically lurking. but it was first half of day 1 and I wanted to respond properly to the other mayoral candidates and nake my case on vayne which I am only able to do properly with my pc. as phoneposting is pretty annoying. in regards to why i did not start with analysis instantly. there was not much to analyze there yet. once there was i posted my case on vayne as i at that time disagreed with the reasons hapa provided to lynch jampi. i thought my suspicions were better funded on evidence. now onto my switch un regards to jampi. Mostly stems from the meta hapa provided after the copclaim and the sijgle post of jampi with which he voted. I was willing to let him get back and explain/contribute but when he did return the posts were underwhelming in comparison to the examples from his past games. also my top read claimed cop. following that train i think it is rather obviius ehy i voted jampi. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 11 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi all. It was feeling like it was either I replace in or DP gets modkilled. I know how much it sucks for someone to get modkilled, so here I am. Unfortunately though, I will not be able to be fully caught up until tomorrow. A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... Well what's done is done. I think Day 1 lurker lynches are good, though that's a discussion for post-game I suppose. As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. The bolded is what I was thinking as well. However I was leaning more towards Stutters, since I thought his vote on jampi was the worst of the bunch. But more of that in my next post. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On June 11 2013 04:59 Stutters695 wrote: What the fuck did I miss? Read your case on jampi hapa, I liked it. I need to read everything I missed but are there any particular things you want me to comment on? Going to check jampis filter but it seems like you're onto something. ...in which he agrees with my case, then promptly votes jampi, and proceeds to do not much else. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Hapa second scum. . ez pz. Hapa scum for not seeing how scummy GK's thing was. GK says he doesnt have scum reads. COME ON DUDE. And he wants to kill lurkers. Thats the scummiest 1st post ever. | ||
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