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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi all. It was feeling like it was either I replace in or DP gets modkilled. I know how much it sucks for someone to get modkilled, so here I am. Unfortunately though, I will not be able to be fully caught up until tomorrow. A couple quick things.: Lynching Jampi for being lurkish, with no other real second candidate, was very bad. We're now left with little information to go off of next lynch cycle, so let's please not do this day 2... As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy. In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. If you can find two people you're confident are town, it's very likely at least one of them will survive until tomorrow. It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis and one reason why vigis like to shoot on night one. But if you absolutely must vigi someone tonight, I'd hit one of the lurkers that is likely not going to be any easier to read in upcoming days: Sylencia or Stutters. I would much prefer Sylencia over Stutters given I do believe from the past games we've played I could get some grasp of Stutter's alignment later this game. I'll give everything a good read-through tomorrow. Good night. We dont have time to mess around. + Show Spoiler + welcome to the game You say: "In many ways, I'd rather you hold off the shot. " "It's not like should you die the shot dies with you, as is normally the case with vigis" made me go hmm but in a nice way. As it made me think of this. Question: Those statements minimise the risk side unless there is something I don't know didn't think of. Whats the expected benefit of shooting and when is it highest. However if we shoot tonight, or later night, the ratio of town to scum tends to drift in the direction where even random shots hit scum more often. As town thread information grows over time, through more discussion and flip analysis, you'd next think the shot gets more and more accurate. As we slowly lose the better players the mayors and the town informing them get derpier (sorry D2 players) the decision whether to shoot tonight or not is not IMO as clear cut as I thought. Rough feel guess is N2, may be better. What it will depend on is how much analysis we get out of players tonight and whether we choose to shoot people who don't push in this 24hrs. {hint: Hapa thats the whip handle i just gave back to you} Is that right, or did I brain fart. (I often dont in math just engrish and gammar) | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Gk is scum. Hapa second scum. . ez pz. Hapa scum for not seeing how scummy GK's thing was. GK says he doesnt have scum reads. COME ON DUDE. And he wants to kill lurkers. Thats the scummiest 1st post ever. You're joking right? He's a replacement. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Right after I post my case on jampi, he acknowledges my case (somewhat), hint's that it's good, but doesn't commit to anything: On June 11 2013 04:00 Blazinghand wrote: I like that case. consider me provisionally onboard until in done with dinner and can evaluate more cortically and can compare with my confidence on oats He then votes jampi... ... for the justification that jampi is a better lynch than the claimed cop. Note how he still really hasn't talked about jampi's behavior at all. He then all of a sudden wants to last-minute switch on Oats. Note how he doesn't mention jampi at all, which is silly considering that the only reason to switch to Oats would be if he thought jampi was very, very townie: On June 11 2013 10:57 Blazinghand wrote: I don't think I believe oats as town any more. Something about it just doesn't smell right to me. I KNOW he's liek this a lot as scum... but still. Does anyone want to lynch him? I'm willing to swap. Then finally after everything is effectively over, he starts lamenting over the fact that he is convinced that jampi is town: On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: well it's too late now. I should have started the shennannies earlier. It's on me for not saving you jampi. On June 11 2013 11:02 Blazinghand wrote: dude the only thing that matters is oats is scum. why would scum jampi liek come back to the thread at the last mintue when it's too late to even save himelf BH seems too sure that jampi is town given the evidence he provides. Scum posting a couple of times before they are lynched is a completely normal occurrance on TL, yet BH takes jampi's handful of posts and pretty much is dead sure that jampi is town. Finally, his whole push to get Oat's lynched at the last minute and save jampi is the most half-assed sequence of events ever. BH basically flails rather than effectively gets anything done. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Its 27 pages. Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... I had already posted my read on Stutters, and now I'm back to BH being a good scum-candidate. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Him being a replacement makes him town, how? It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Vig him or GK. Vig BH so he cant mislynch me. pls. pls. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Vig him hapa. Vig him or GK. Vig BH so he cant mislynch me. pls. pls. What about GK's first post is so scummy that I should vig him for it? It's fairly common practice to give replacements a cycle to let them catch up in the thread and read them. Making hasty decisions about GK isn't necessary. What is your read on BH right now? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 11 2013 13:04 ShiaoPi wrote: axle am i reading you correctly that you are calling me out for being somewhat passive after the game started while I could have went in with a bang as in doing heavy analysis right off the bat? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? yes thats what i am calling you out for. I grammar failed and didnt put the ? on this >How come you lurked for so long yesterday? So it was a question. the argument problem is if you were scum (that is easier for you to do than lots of analysis) it is also happens to be the argument for why the person you are pressuring stutters lurked. (lurking is easy to do even if eventually it attracts attention) | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Ok. GK is scum cause he has no scum reads over 27 pages and wants to kill lurkers who are the same every game. EXCEPT Syl isnt actually being lurky this game and you can totally read him. Also, he criticizes a town lynch. To look like he wouldve done differently. This isnt a hasty decision, that was a horrifically scummy post. It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. Not true. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
@axle: I dont think we should hold off shooting today. I am pretty sure on hapas townieness, dunno if we will have another mayor with whom i have that high confidence of being town (besides me ofc). Also while it is true that with number of players decreasing chance to hit scum is higher, but risk is also greater to get into mylo/lylo earlier than expected. I think if hapa vigs now we have more leeway | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Stutters isnt scum, he plays like this all the timeeeeee. Ok. GK is scum cause he has no scum reads over 27 pages and wants to kill lurkers who are the same every game. EXCEPT Syl isnt actually being lurky this game and you can totally read him. Also, he criticizes a town lynch. To look like he wouldve done differently. This isnt a hasty decision, that was a horrifically scummy post. Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters. Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour. He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway. It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. Not true. Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Its 27 pages. Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read. Hapa whos scum... is it hard to have scum read if you also want it to be a correct. it just struck me it might be easier to have a scum read if you didn't care about correct. Do you have any thoughts on what would be easier? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:17 AxleGreaser wrote: yes thats what i am calling you out for. I grammar failed and didnt put the ? on this >How come you lurked for so long yesterday? So it was a question. the argument problem is if you were scum (that is easier for you to do than lots of analysis) it is also happens to be the argument for why the person you are pressuring stutters lurked. (lurking is easy to do even if eventually it attracts attention) I already stated my reasons earlier. I am pressuring stutters not only for lurking but also for having zero impact on the game. look at his posts. does he take stances? does he share reads? he is doing nothing and getting by with it until now. Now in comparison to me. yes, i lurked a while had rl business to attend to, but as soon as i got time i made my stances and reads pretty clear | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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Blazinghand
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: just shoot oats so he stops posting may i quote you? So helpful! go write your case and I might consider looking at oats again | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On June 11 2013 14:21 ShiaoPi wrote: dont shoot too early. use the 24hs for more discussion. i want sylencia and stutters here at least. having a case from bh on oats would also be helpful in deciding whether bh is just bad atm or scum. @axle: I dont think we should hold off shooting today. I am pretty sure on hapas townieness, dunno if we will have another mayor with whom i have that high confidence of being town (besides me ofc). [..Deletia answer Q soon..] Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today. "He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands. if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town. I dunno. its an idea. | ||
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