EPTSorry muddled. deletia was of a opinion I really not sure of I have not yet counted out the paths.
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AxleGreaser
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Sorry muddled. deletia was of a opinion I really not sure of I have not yet counted out the paths. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On June 11 2013 14:37 AxleGreaser wrote: Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today. "He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands. if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town. I dunno. its an idea. hmm, I dont see the clear benefit of waiting to vig. back to actually studying as long as neither bh/stutters/syl are doing stuff | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On June 11 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote: Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters. Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour. He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway. Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post. why would he post such a horrible post as town man. Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background. Stutters is being stutters, IE lurking and occansionally posting decent posts. BH, why do you like being wrong so much??? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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AxleGreaser
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@Oats On June 11 2013 14:22 AxleGreaser wrote: is it hard to have scum read if you also want it to be a correct. it just struck me it might be easier to have a scum read if you didn't care about correct. Do you have any thoughts on what would be easier? I want to understand how you think some more. | ||
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AxleGreaser
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On June 11 2013 09:25 Sylencia wrote: Ok... day 1 claim is unfortunate  ##unvote is the obvious first move GravityMan: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. 2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it... 3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc. Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning. ##vote Jampi Syl said: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out. please clarify the meaning of the word erratically, in what sense are what people behaving erratically. id suggest choosing one or more, person or period in the thread, as an example. Was it only the BH oats thing id prefer another example as you said everyone. They dont have to be scum indicative. The problem is normally I read your posts and they make sense to me, that bit does not. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum". So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy. I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Its more difficult as scum to fabricate a scum read cause they already know who is scum. So unless they want to attack their teammates, they have to fake a scumread off stuff they know comes from town. However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum". So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy. I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone. I completely disagree with this. I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy. In fact, the scummiest thing you can do in GK's situation is to immediately replace in and have an extraordinarily "clean" story. For example you see scum very often replace into a game and immediately be confident and know what's going on, enough to fudge 1-2 scum-reads and "push" them. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Also regarding your read on Syl... Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background. It doesn't seem like Syl is at the forefront of things, and I really don't get the sense of "not staying in the background" from his posting that you seem to. So what specifically about his posting makes him town? Also, how is his posting different in this game as compared to his scum games? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 11 2013 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: If hapa shoots me lynch him. Also, I've made it very clear that I think you are town and I wouldn't shoot you. My choice today is between BH and one of the lurkers. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Hapahauli
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I'm more interested in hearing your suspicions of Oats, because I haven't seen any compelling reasons from you for why Oats is scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Hapahauli
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Anyway, I await your reasons for finding Oats scum, because I have no intention of shooting him without very compelling evidence that he is scum. And his behavior/meta strongly suggests that he's town. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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LOOOVE. Why? Cause he says a lotta sensible things. On June 11 2013 00:01 Sylencia wrote: I don't think it's a tell when people do that - I tried calling rayn out in LXI for that and he was town in the end iirc. I'm more up for lynching Vayne today though - his apparent reasoning for his weird posts, which is for survival (but in a sense that the posts are scummy enough that scum have a reason to keep him alive) is a pretty weak reason and having some sort of hidden agenda behind his play? If he had a hidden agenda, why would be tell us so? If it's something to use in the future to find scum, well now they're more wary and more likely to target Vayne, which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do (survive). ##Vote Vayne this post man is really townie. So is this one, On June 10 2013 01:05 Sylencia wrote: Everyone who's put a mayor vote on Shiao looks super sheepy anyways, why would that matter if he sheeped onto the Shiao vote? Great reasoning. . . . .. .. . .. . .. . . Maybe stutters is too shy to say he wants mayor :D Just read his filter and form a conclusion, I dont like explaining town reads. BH is being a jubjub and failing to notice the fact that he is tunneling like a [redacted]. Also, mafia have 1 target in mind in some occasions because they cant really find enough scummy things about other people to fake a push on them. So when their 1 scum read gets lynched, they have to look really hard for other scummy people to push that wont backfire. Kinda what hapa is doing now. I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy. Well. Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad? No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you. Thats why its scummy. There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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Hapahauli
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Well. Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad? No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you. Thats why its scummy. There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum. Well no, the best way to stay alive is to please the town by fudging one or two scumreads. Let me approach your heuristic a different way - give me a specific example from one of your past scum-games where you have caught someone based on this heuristic (i.e. a replacement not giving scumreads in his/her first post). | ||
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