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AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 11 2013 05:42 GMT
#561
EBWOP [..Deletia..]

Sorry muddled. deletia was of a opinion I really not sure of I have not yet counted out the paths.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 11 2013 06:01 GMT
#562
On June 11 2013 14:37 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 14:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
dont shoot too early. use the 24hs for more discussion. i want sylencia and stutters here at least. having a case from bh on oats would also be helpful in deciding whether bh is just bad atm or scum.

@axle:
I dont think we should hold off shooting today. I am pretty sure on hapas townieness, dunno if we will have another mayor with whom i have that high confidence of being town (besides me ofc).
[..Deletia answer Q soon..]


Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today.
"He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today
that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands.
if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town.


I dunno. its an idea.



hmm, I dont see the clear benefit of waiting to vig.
back to actually studying as long as neither bh/stutters/syl are doing stuff
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 06:03 GMT
#563
On June 11 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stutters isnt scum, he plays like this all the timeeeeee.


Ok.
GK is scum cause he has no scum reads over 27 pages and wants to kill lurkers who are the same every game. EXCEPT Syl isnt actually being lurky this game and you can totally read him. Also, he criticizes a town lynch. To look like he wouldve done differently.
This isnt a hasty decision, that was a horrifically scummy post.


Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters.

Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour.

He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway.

Show nested quote +
It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post.

Show nested quote +
Not true.


Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post.

why would he post such a horrible post as town man.


Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background.
Stutters is being stutters, IE lurking and occansionally posting decent posts.

BH, why do you like being wrong so much???
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 06:04 GMT
#564
If hapa shoots me lynch him.
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 11 2013 06:11 GMT
#565
more brain fart


@Oats
On June 11 2013 14:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
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On June 11 2013 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its 27 pages.

Its not that hard to at least have 1 scum read.

Hapa whos scum...


is it hard to have scum read if you also want it to be a correct.

it just struck me it might be easier to have a scum read if you didn't care about correct.

Do you have any thoughts on what would be easier?


I want to understand how you think some more.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
June 11 2013 06:21 GMT
#566
On June 11 2013 09:25 Sylencia wrote:
Ok... day 1 claim is unfortunate

##unvote is the obvious first move

GravityMan:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 01:14 GravityMan wrote:
Sylencia.
Hello. If you are not currently otherwise occupied, I have some queries for you that I feel would help me gain a better understand of you. If you would answer them I would be greatly pleased.
Do you have any reads on scum other than this VayneAuthority?
What do you make of the altercation between the Oatsmaster and this Blazinghand?
You mention that you are often lynched early in other games. Why is this?


1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out.
2) That argument was actually rather annoying - flamefests just spam up the thread uselessly and demoralises the town side most of the time. I don't even feel like there was anything productive that came from it...
3) Lurkerish, lynchbait, scum jump on my weak cases etc. etc.

Unless Jampi shows up soon (he said he would be here around now right?), I'm going to put a vote on him going mostly on Hapa's reasoning.

##vote Jampi


Syl said: 1) No, not really, everyone is acting really erratically this game and it's making things kind of difficult to work out.

please clarify the meaning of the word erratically, in what sense are what people behaving erratically.
id suggest choosing one or more, person or period in the thread, as an example.
Was it only the BH oats thing id prefer another example as you said everyone.

They dont have to be scum indicative. The problem is normally I read your posts and they make sense to me, that bit does not.


Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 06:21 GMT
#567
Its more difficult as scum to fabricate a scum read cause they already know who is scum. So unless they want to attack their teammates, they have to fake a scumread off stuff they know comes from town.

However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum".

So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy.
I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone.
No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:23 GMT
#568
On June 11 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its more difficult as scum to fabricate a scum read cause they already know who is scum. So unless they want to attack their teammates, they have to fake a scumread off stuff they know comes from town.

However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum".

So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy.
I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone.


I completely disagree with this.

I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy.

In fact, the scummiest thing you can do in GK's situation is to immediately replace in and have an extraordinarily "clean" story. For example you see scum very often replace into a game and immediately be confident and know what's going on, enough to fudge 1-2 scum-reads and "push" them.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:26 GMT
#569
@ Oats

Also regarding your read on Syl...
Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background.


It doesn't seem like Syl is at the forefront of things, and I really don't get the sense of "not staying in the background" from his posting that you seem to. So what specifically about his posting makes him town? Also, how is his posting different in this game as compared to his scum games?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:28 GMT
#570
On June 11 2013 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
If hapa shoots me lynch him.


Also, I've made it very clear that I think you are town and I wouldn't shoot you.

My choice today is between BH and one of the lurkers.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 11 2013 08:29 GMT
#571
also being mad at hapa because he doesn't have any scumreads is profoundly dumb. he doesn't have any scumreads becuase he successfully lynched his D1 scumread. Like, it's not like the guy hasn't had a scumread. He had such a good scumread we lynched the guy over you, oats.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:31 GMT
#572
I am perfectly capable of defending myself BH, don't do it for me.

I'm more interested in hearing your suspicions of Oats, because I haven't seen any compelling reasons from you for why Oats is scum.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 11 2013 08:34 GMT
#573
shoot him shoot him shoot him
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 11 2013 08:36 GMT
#574
so look instead of responding to your reasonably inquiry i'm going to go to dinner for 8 hours. if both oats and I are alive when i'm done eating i'll do it. but like really oats is super dooper scum. like just cuase the guy plays <redacted>ly as town doesn't mean he gets a free license to be scummy
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:38 GMT
#575
So why should I shoot him? If you think he's scum, it's your job to convince me that he's scum. Your strategy right now is apparently to make me not take you seriously at all, which doesn't serve any scum-hunting purposes.

Anyway, I await your reasons for finding Oats scum, because I have no intention of shooting him without very compelling evidence that he is scum. And his behavior/meta strongly suggests that he's town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 08:45 GMT
#576
I love syls filter.
LOOOVE.
Why? Cause he says a lotta sensible things.
On June 11 2013 00:01 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 10 2013 23:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Oats:
I can understand your desire to not trust hapa straight off the bat, but are you seriously that much convinced that he is scum?
From what I gather from your posts your main issue with him seems to be his case on jampi and his sudden desire to run for mayor, am I correct?

And the fact that he KEEPS saying that he is town, check his meta, bla bla.


I don't think it's a tell when people do that - I tried calling rayn out in LXI for that and he was town in the end iirc.

I'm more up for lynching Vayne today though - his apparent reasoning for his weird posts, which is for survival (but in a sense that the posts are scummy enough that scum have a reason to keep him alive) is a pretty weak reason and having some sort of hidden agenda behind his play? If he had a hidden agenda, why would be tell us so? If it's something to use in the future to find scum, well now they're more wary and more likely to target Vayne, which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do (survive).

##Vote Vayne

this post man is really townie.
So is this one,
On June 10 2013 01:05 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
I mean, this is the reason Vayne's vote
On June 09 2013 15:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
On June 09 2013 14:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
not running for mayor

##vote mayor: Sylencia

why?


to generate discussion, I want to see who the stragglers vote for


Yeah thats a vote that isnt on Shiao for the sake of it. So he doesnt appear too sheepy or compliant of whatever. Not cause he thinks you are a better mayor. Bad.


Everyone who's put a mayor vote on Shiao looks super sheepy anyways, why would that matter if he sheeped onto the Shiao vote?

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 23:26 ShiaoPi wrote:
On June 09 2013 18:26 Sylencia wrote:
On June 09 2013 15:22 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am intersted in getting sylencia back here right now.
What is your stance on my campaign?


I'm pretty neutral about it, you're the only one who's really put up their hand for being mayor (I have but semi-in jest, and I'm not sure if Axle's is serious or not). Would you say you're the best fit for mayor even if everyone else wanted to be mayor too?



I am the best fit for mayor, since I am giving out cookies.
In all seriousness, I say I am best fit for mayor simply because I know that I am town. Rest is of course unsure. Since I do want double vote and whatever other power the mayor gets to be in good hands, I think yes, I am the best fit.


@Oats:
Since I am cool, vote me! You can even get a oatmeal cookie if you want one.


Great reasoning. . . . .. .. . .. . .. . .

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 00:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
If you dont think he is scum, why are you against him being mayor??

???


Maybe stutters is too shy to say he wants mayor :D

Just read his filter and form a conclusion, I dont like explaining town reads.

BH is being a jubjub and failing to notice the fact that he is tunneling like a [redacted].
Also, mafia have 1 target in mind in some occasions because they cant really find enough scummy things about other people to fake a push on them. So when their 1 scum read gets lynched, they have to look really hard for other scummy people to push that wont backfire. Kinda what hapa is doing now.


I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy.

Well.
Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad?
No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you.
Thats why its scummy.
There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum.
No gg, No skill.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
June 11 2013 08:45 GMT
#577
shoooooooooooooooooot him
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 08:46 GMT
#578
Hapa dont shoot BH, hes probably town.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 11 2013 08:46 GMT
#579
you didnt even read.
Horrible [redacted]
No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 11 2013 08:47 GMT
#580
Well.
Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad?
No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you.
Thats why its scummy.
There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum.


Well no, the best way to stay alive is to please the town by fudging one or two scumreads.

Let me approach your heuristic a different way - give me a specific example from one of your past scum-games where you have caught someone based on this heuristic (i.e. a replacement not giving scumreads in his/her first post).
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