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On June 10 2013 12:29 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 12:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:55 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:40 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote: remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win. Nope not really, I am better at scum than town. I'm not trying to hide anything, it's just how I play If it is just the way you play, I am unsure as to why you would feel that scum are likely to kill you on the first night. Thank you for answering my queries, however. I have one final question for you. You vote for this Hapahauli as it seems to be the direction the majority of active town are heading at the moment. I take it this means you are finished trying to create conversation by going against the general sentiment?
I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though
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I wanna vote for hapa, but he keeps saying his meta confirms him as town. Feels really really weird. Hapa, remember ego mafia? Where I was scum and played NOTHING like my previous scum meta? Yeah. That couldve happened this game. No feels right now for you being town.
Also the way you started it was like, I WANT POWERS GIVE ME MAYOR. "Im really good with Powers". Uhuh.
Who is most likely gonna flip scum hapa?
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On June 10 2013 11:36 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 10 2013 10:47 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it. What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me? I am not sure what you are asking perhaps because you are not sure what I said. so... (outside of the newbies games) In my experience people typically turn up in threads late, either because of actually true IRL issues. or because they estimate themselves to be a good enough player, that they can turn up late, and either through reputation, but in your case as you are a smurf, through their actions in the thread establish their innocence enough to live through the first lynch. This has side effect benefit in say BHs case of increasing the chances he will live through the night. Turning up late, if you are scum, like lurking is a strategy that might be used to avoid giving input until you see the lay of the land (who has time to play how well this game) and work out how to position your scum strategy in the game. As it can benefit scum, it is a thing they would want to do, however as it is thing they would want to do people not giving input (by lurking, turning up late) looks scummy. Because it looks scummy, scum tend not to do it...etc unto infinite recursion, hence what i label as WIFOM. While it is WIFOM the conditional probabilities are not entirely null. it thus changes my expectations of you. Your explanation is somewhat sufficient, thank you for the clarification. What is not clear to me however, is your actual read of me. Do you regard me as scum or town currently, based on what little you know of me and what I have posted in this thread? I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same?
Gravity man appears to have no allergy to copious words. Thus most of my reply are in spoilers as they are not likely to be useful the thread at large but I expect them to communicate with you(gravman). I have certain affinity for things robotic and computational and when I explain things computers(not people) usually always understand me. (I write bug free code!(yeah right)) + Show Spoiler [nature of the answer] + If this doesnt make sense sorry, it means I made a wrong assumption/guess. Ok. Low hanging fruit questions are a useful commodity. They can be used to check the operational efficacy of low hanging computers. I try not to waste those questions by answering them. This for instance answers a question not asked. The above paragraph, will either acks(geek speak(makes sense)) or it doesn't.
+ Show Spoiler [Kind of Reads of GravityWell] +These are 'kind of reads' I think they provide the required information anyway. How to read Smurfs 101. Well BHs diagram + Show Spoiler + clearly does not apply as there is not "What they do as" as we have no history data for and until you flip we don't know which one you are this time. However what we need to do is relabel that diagram as What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doingNow the problem is, there are things that it is hard for newbie player to do as scum that are not hard for an experienced one. So we simply can not yet make use of the diagram unless we tweak it some more. Given an estimate of how good this player is: What is hard for scum to do. What town really cant have a reason for doingSo armed with that diagram I need an estimate of how good you are, before I work out what of your posts goes in the What is hard for scum to do. part of the diagram or the other...dum dum da dah. here is where for me it gets interesting. A large part of your opening post, can be written off by some, (as non productive fluff and nonsense), it actually is a claim, but not he usual kind. It is claim regarding your facility and capabilities with language and the thoughts inside. As such it can well be relevant to: Given an estimate of how good this player is: What is hard for scum to do. These: Questions to hapa: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18852266Are good questions, in the sense that hapas answer to them will give me a stronger read on him. That you can identify good questions, also indicates that you are a capable player. Does it yet meet the criteria What is hard for you if you are scum to do?Well as my read on how good you are, is good enough, I am not really going to say, except so far so good. A next test will be yes, you asked hapa the right questions to ask hapa, for me a next test will be how well you choose who else to ask questions of. I will also say on this point that there thigns that if newbie player does them then What town really cant have a reason for doingbut sometimes if the player is better, they choose to do things ... Hmm IIRC, palmer claims all the time, I think he once stated in thread he couldnt talk right now because he was busy posting in the QT...., now you would have to be really dumb before that was scum slip but not many townies do that.
+ Show Spoiler [second pargrahs answer] + You asked: I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same?
Assumptions are dangerous things and let you, as you perceive me, to accidentally see false thoughts in my head. (its also how the tricksiest scum I can imagine, set people up, so far i am yet to be sure they (such very tricksy scum) exist.)
hmm: pedant: "I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person," if you were another person id regard you differently because you would play differently in this game.
ahh but you want me to assume somehow a different person made the same posts? partly see above regarding hard for scum to do depends on how good the person is.
I expect there is a significant probability you are "a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills" so your question is a bit moot due to faulty premise/assumption.
However if i knew which player you were, it would reduce the error margin in the estimate I have of how good you are: I would (because it is part of how I hunt scum ) still apply the 'hard to do as scum test', but with a better estimate of how hard that would be for you.
Further by knowing which specific player you were I could go and read your previous play, and look for things that I thought you would find hard to change that were intrinsic and natural to you and how you play as scum and town. However as the sample size of such measures is small that has dangers of error. Thus I like words usually lots of them so Bhs original categories are for me more like.
Things this particular player frequently/usually/moreoften does as scum but are also consider robust and unlikely to vary over time and RL circumstance. Discount needs to be applied for how old the meta is blah blah blah... lots can go wrong. Finally from some reading i have done on evolutionary biology, humans have evolved as social animals, some RL humans have always been scummy, and so when they went to stab the mamoth (a risky task) some humans always happened to stab last... other humans ferreted out these scum. The scum and the town evolved... it is called a red queen race in the literature. Thus, simply, gut instincts, gut reads, actually work. If I knew who you were and had long enough experience reading you and testing that, I might be able to do my 'wet finger test'.
Wet finger test: For some payers, I read their posts one at a time out of context, look in my gut and say "scum" or "town" whichever one doesn't make me feel queezy. If most or all posts are one or the other that is their alignment no matter what the wizz kids(local experts) say.
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On June 10 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanna vote for hapa, but he keeps saying his meta confirms him as town. Feels really really weird. Hapa, remember ego mafia? Where I was scum and played NOTHING like my previous scum meta? Yeah. That couldve happened this game. No feels right now for you being town.
Also the way you started it was like, I WANT POWERS GIVE ME MAYOR. "Im really good with Powers". Uhuh.
Who is most likely gonna flip scum hapa?
Ok, have you read my filter? At all? I'm pretty sure I'm the townies person in the thread right now in terms of both activity and engagement. You can use meta, or any objective standard of reading me, but I'm still town so vote me for mayor.
Also, if you read anything in my filter, I already mentioned that my current top scumread is jampi.
However I've heard nothing about your own reads, so do tell me those.
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Blazinghand is suspicious. All he has managed to say so far is "I support the towniest of Hapa, VA and me to be mayor". Especially these two posts are suspicious. He comes back to the thread just to repeat something that has been already said. Why not do something useful?
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@ jampi
What are your thoughts on our resident japanese video game character (Gravity Man)?
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Blazinghand
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On June 10 2013 13:25 jampidampi wrote:Blazinghand is suspicious. All he has managed to say so far is "I support the towniest of Hapa, VA and me to be mayor". Especially these two posts are suspicious. He comes back to the thread just to repeat something that has been already said. Why not do something useful? hue
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And BH, do you have anything to contribute yet? I'd love to get more out of you than knee-jerk reactions when someone calls your name.
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Blazinghand
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it's a good facsimile of a real legit attack
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Blazinghand
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On June 10 2013 13:29 Hapahauli wrote: And BH, do you have anything to contribute yet? I'd love to get more out of you than knee-jerk reactions when someone calls your name.
not really, no
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On June 10 2013 13:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:29 Hapahauli wrote: And BH, do you have anything to contribute yet? I'd love to get more out of you than knee-jerk reactions when someone calls your name. not really, no
Why not =(
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Blazinghand
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On June 10 2013 13:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:30 Blazinghand wrote:On June 10 2013 13:29 Hapahauli wrote: And BH, do you have anything to contribute yet? I'd love to get more out of you than knee-jerk reactions when someone calls your name. not really, no Why not =(
no good reason really, just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll do something awesome tonight, how's that sound
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On June 10 2013 11:36 GravityMan wrote:
I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same?
I just came across the post where vayne explains he cant understand my posts. To people in that position: One solution is we discuss things.
My previous post was me answering to you questions you asked. I spoilered it a lot, as I expect a significant number of posters wont like reading it all and it would waste their time.
As you asked the question, if you don't like the answer try again.
If other people have a related or even the same question, ask it, the answer you get would be different.
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All your activity is VOTE FOR ME I PLAY NOTHING LIKE THIS AS SCUM. And various questions.
Um what your scum read is Jampi? Do not see that in the 2 pages. At all. Never mind found the spoiler. SUPER OBVIOUS MAN. TOTALLY. And your case is garbage. WTF man. Ill wait for him to come back first though and explain his side.
I see interaction with gravity man that ends with no conclusion so far. What is your current read on him?
Ok what I would summarize your contribution to be this game hapa is, "Vote for Shiao, he doesnt play like this as scum" "i think VA is town" "I wanna be mayor INSTEAD!" "jampi is scum off weird reasons" "gravity guy is all up in my grill" I would not say that you are the towniest player in this game. And its early day 1, even if you are, it doesnt mean you cant be scum. Why didnt you run for mayor off the bat? BH is playing interestingly this game. He says he wont run for mayor if you or VA is running, but when you start running, he has NOTHING to say about it. He hasnt been doing anything useful. LYNCH HIM. ##Vote for lynch: BH
DP come in here and start tearing it up please.
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Blazinghand
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Oats do you seriously believe that? lol
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Jampi, DEFEND YOURSELF FOR GREAT JUSTICE. from this
1) He has a lack of natural suspicion.
Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site.
I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do.
2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign.
@Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me.
The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively.
Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post.
If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne).
Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things.
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On June 10 2013 13:28 Hapahauli wrote: @ jampi
What are your thoughts on our resident japanese video game character (Gravity Man)? GravityMan seems to little a few too many words. Dunno if that is somehow related to him trying roleplay or him trying to appear as contributin more. Do smurfs usually roleplay?
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On June 10 2013 11:08 Hapahauli wrote: 1) He has a lack of natural suspicion.
Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site.
I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. Look at ShiaoPis posts at that point. There isn't really anything alignment indicative. In this light it would sense for me to have a null read on him right? Then someone comes and tells me with high confidence that he is town without reasoning. I then ask for his reasoning to validate it. You've somehow managed to assume I suspected ShiaoPi. It is more like there weren't any good reasons to think he is town, hence your townread on him looked really odd. In the 7-minute window, I did not stop to think about you or your alignment since that was not what I was trying to figure out at that time.
2) Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign.
@Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things. The first part of my post is answearing to Sylencia, and is in no way related to you. I also don't know how you have gathered that I have a town read on you? Subconsious trust =/= trust.
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BH, since you seem to be omnipresent, why don't you tell me why you would support VA for mayor?
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As we are currently inetracting through a medium that offers minimal visual interaction, I often find visualizing those with whom I am interacting to be helpful at times. This Blazinghand, accessing my memory banks returns a reasonable facsimile: + Show Spoiler + I find it interesting that this jampidampi has actually queried something similar to that which I may have asked of you. I might have framed it in a less accusatory manner, however. Blazinghand, what is it about the three you have mentioned, that is, yourself, Hapahauli, and VayneAuthority, that makes them the best mayoral candidates in your eyes? I require specifics. I am less concerned with your activity level for the moment.
The master of Oats appears to be picking up his game. I am also curious as to whether he truly believes the man of incendiary hands is in fact a member of the mafia considering he has offered barely any reasoning as to his suspicions and his choice of lynch vote.
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