EPT[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 17
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gumshoe
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Mr. Wiggles
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Dr. H, would you mind explaining your read on Oatsmaster a little more clearly for me, please? Is it basically just that Oats is quick to agree with you about who scum are in PM, but doesn't follow through with it in thread? So, there's a discrepancy between what's happening in thread and PM land? Based on the PMs you shared talking about Tofu, Oats seems somewhat undecided about what he thinks of Tofu, not entirely convinced that he's scum, as you say. In thread though, he was more adamant about Tofu than he was in PMs, which looks to be the opposite of what you're saying. What was the time period of those PMs? Do you have any PMs where Oats talks about VE? I'm not sure if I agree that there's something wrong with what he was saying about Yamato, it's not that he disagrees with Yamato's conclusions (You being town and VE being scum), but more that he disagrees with his behaviour regarding those conclusions. I do agree that he seems like he's acting very tentative in his PMs with you though. Why is that? On July 17 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote: @wiggles: Did you read my second post? It does not seem like it. Anyway I think you might be getting too caught up in my language. Do you disagree with my reasons for finding oatsmaster, sloosh, or VE scummy? Or just with the way that I phrased it and the fact that I decided not to pm oats right away? Cause the latter doesn't make much sense as a reason to suspect me. My read on you was based mostly off of your first post, and not as much your second. I don't disagree with what you're saying about people, so much as how you went about your accusations. For example, I didn't think you were scummy because you thought Oat's first post was scummy, it was because you thought he was scummy, but spent a paragraph going back and forth saying that you thought he was scummy, but might be wrong. If you think he's scummy, you should be straightforward and say so, because making excuses just makes it look like you're looking for a way out if he flips town after. It also looked bad, because you didn't take a strong decision to actually pursue him. You wrote a paragraph about how we should use PMs to scumhunt, but then don't actually take the opportunity to do so. Talking about what you might do doesn't accomplish anything for town, it just makes it look like you're contributing when you're not. That's the other part of where my suspicion came from. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
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2 completely inconsequential comments: why is the new meta on this site writing complicated, long shit that you need amazing reading comprehension to even understand? also 20 posts is way too much. I mean I have no fear to post retarded shit like this because i still have at least 15 more posts which I will never even come close to using today | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I really just want to know why no one wants to lynch Malango. Can we just lynch Malango please? @ve ty for posting somethign my 6th grade reading comprehension can understand. but how the hell do I find this guy's filter......... fix op plz | ||
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kholly
United States74 Posts
On July 17 2013 13:27 kushm4sta wrote: 4th post I think 2 completely inconsequential comments: why is the new meta on this site writing complicated, long shit that you need amazing reading comprehension to even understand? also 20 posts is way too much. I mean I have no fear to post retarded shit like this because i still have at least 15 more posts which I will never even come close to using today This guy has to be town. He understand the scum's strategy to clutter the thread with walls of text. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On July 16 2013 17:33 Malongo wrote: I cant believe I am the newbie here. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh I dont care if you go to bed, and your post was just too polarized for no reason. really weird that you want to lynch this guy VE. Is it his lack of content or what? I wouldn't expect a newbie scum to have an observation liek this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
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On July 17 2013 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think he means by "too polarized for no reason"? I'd like to know, because I don't know. Like his opinion is more extreme than it makes sense for it to be. That's what I think malengo means. Not that I agree with malengo's conclusion, but I think it's a townread for a newer player to hone in on something they find scummy so early in the game. | ||
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kholly
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
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On July 17 2013 14:05 VisceraEyes wrote: And what do you think of Malango's most recent contributions to the scumhunt kush? i find his list of filters helpful but not alignment indicative your point? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
After skimming all the filters, someone stands out as looking really bad is SLOOSH. Clearly the the guy is reading the thread really close (which scum do in the beginning of the game). All he's doing is hardcore nitpicking what people say. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 17 2013 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Yeah, that's really stupid. I don't have multiple posts to waste talking about why meta arguments are fine when they're used correctly but people should listen to the podcast about "The Game". I've used meta arguments before to kill scum (see: Vivax in TL Mafia LXI) I checked out the game and I think you have confirmation bias. His first post in Nuclear Winter is ~20 hours into the day, and his mega post is ~32 hours into the day, opposed to less than an hour in this game. I read maybe half of D1 in NWM, and the most he is called out for is inactivity. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 17 2013 14:26 kushm4sta wrote: k nvm i guess mananegos pretty scummy lol. Probably the most absent non modkill player\. After skimming all the filters, someone stands out as looking really bad is SLOOSH. Clearly the the guy is reading the thread really close (which scum do in the beginning of the game). All he's doing is hardcore nitpicking what people say. What the crap? How am I the one nitpicking? | ||
yamato77
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On July 17 2013 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who's paying even tertiary attention to the game knows that I never, in fact, ACTUALLY voted for Doc H. Much like my reasoning, my vote was illusory. It was designed to put the sentiment into the thread that I find Doc H suspicious, to see who picks up the ball and runs. I've had a couple of bites but nothing major - kholly is still attesting that he finds Doc suspicious but still hasn't really explained why. Now that Wiggles has graced us, I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned any of DocH, kholly or Malongo at all. Malongo faked an opinion on slOosh (what does "needlessly polarized" even mean?) and posted filters and fucked off, kholly is doing little more, thought to his credit he at least is voting for DocH. So right now I'm looking to lynch in the vicinity of kholly Malongo Wiggles And I'll go with the most useless so far. ##Vote: Malongo (5/20) Ugh, VE. Ugh. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
hmm you italicized "I," implying that it was actually someone else being more nitpicky than you. Who is being more nitpicky? Me? Let me define nit picky and show examples from your filter. Nitpicky - focusing on UNIMPORTANT, incorrect parts of someone's posting when the incorrectness is not alignment indicative Here you question the seriousness of some of hapa's setup speculation. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:48 slOosh wrote: Hey guys. If people are unsure about how to mason, they should just avoid using it. Worst thing we can do is have all the discussion going on in PM land and nothing to go off of someone's alignment other than their mason's read on them. How do you propose building up scum-hunting circles otherwise? Or was that a semi-joke? Here you nitpick 3 different people in one post lol. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote: I don't think they shouldn't form around one player, it's too easily countered and dangerous if they are scum. I was thinking wheels of, say three players, and then linking the wheels slowly. Still don't understand how you can build circles by masoning only scum reads though. What? I said if people are unsure, they should avoid it because it can cause more problems than be of benefit. How am I making a "concerted effort to discourage people from using PMs"? Show me where I said no one should mason. This next one features pure ryanparakeet nitpickage. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote: I never said they shouldn't mason if they don't want to, stop putting words in my mouth. There's a handful of players who have yet to post in the thread, and who could have masoned up with each other. How do you propose to differentiate between them? How is making everyone splurge out their PM chains into thread helpful, when it defeats the point of PMs, which is to avoid / prevent thread clutter and get direct information? How is my plan to have unsure people just post normally in thread detrimental? You are pressuring people to use their PMs quickly, with only vague notions of how it's beneficial for everyone. Why have you totally ignored / dismissed the idea of organizing PM circles for maximum effectiveness? Where does he say he thinks FT is confirmed scum? Closing words: Why aren't you talking in terms of who is scum and who you want to vote for? Instead you are putting nitpick pressure on people who aren't even declared scumreads. Add to that the fact that it's like 3/4 posts in your filter are pure nitpick posts. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 16 2013 17:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm on my phone so I can't copy paste but a couple posts up this page FirmTofu reponds the correct way to DrH and VE responds to wrong way. Also yamato's last post was absolutely horrible. I will probably use both my masons D1 on people who I feel are town. I'm going to bed now. On July 17 2013 11:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hi biddies I'm just gonna wait for people to pop in and start asking me aggressive questions about reads and shit. Make it interesting or imma go play league of legends. Also fuck I wanted to mason rayn, glad he's basically confirmed town though. This is as close as he comes to actually posting reads. Given the already difficult nature of forming a consensus in a game like this and his rather lackadaisical approach to the game so far, I'm willing to believe he's mafia trying to hide among the other low-content players in the game. Plus, I always love lynching people who call my posts "horrible". | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 17 2013 15:41 yamato77 wrote: If you're all just going to ignore VE, I'd be absolutely fine lynching the useless filter of Meapak as well. He's certainly exceptional in how little he's actually playing the game of mafia. This is as close as he comes to actually posting reads. Given the already difficult nature of forming a consensus in a game like this and his rather lackadaisical approach to the game so far, I'm willing to believe he's mafia trying to hide among the other low-content players in the game. Plus, I always love lynching people who call my posts "horrible". I am willing to lynch VE, but I see DrH as the most optimal choice. Can you perhaps look into our conversations with one another and consider it? DrH has still not responded to my questions even though I have explicitly stated what I wanted him to answer. That, in itself, should be reason enough to warrant his lynch. | ||
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