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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:08 GMT
#101
Despite what's been said, I think we shoudl claim move speeds. On the one hand, it gives angels information, but on the other, angels can see who we are anyways they'll figure it out anyways from watching us move during the first night, right? Whoever claims their speed isn't giving scum info they won't find out immediately anyways, so...

I have speed 5
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:10 GMT
#102
On May 15 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:
Despite what's been said, I think we shoudl claim move speeds. On the one hand, it gives angels information, but on the other, angels can see who we are anyways they'll figure it out anyways from watching us move during the first night, right? Whoever claims their speed isn't giving scum info they won't find out immediately anyways, so...

I have speed 5


Only if we move at fullspeed, which we don't have to at all. So I don't particularly see the benefit of doing so right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:12 GMT
#103
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#104
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate


I'm not sure. Like, is it good for everyone to come together? Or maybe it's good, once people figure out who they are, for people to pair off in 2s? Is there a benefit to any particular size of congregation of players?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:15 GMT
#105
It also makes sense that doctor/JK powers operate in this fashion
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#106
What about the idea of 6 pairs of 2, all as far away from each other on the board as possible? Angels need to feed multiple times, so keeping people apart from each other, but in a fashion where everyone can identify whether someone else is town or not........

.... ok that thought process stopped, mafia in groups of 2 can fakeclaim. Maybe 4 groups of 3?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#107
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 14 2013 22:20 GMT
#108
On May 15 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
What about the idea of 6 pairs of 2, all as far away from each other on the board as possible? Angels need to feed multiple times, so keeping people apart from each other, but in a fashion where everyone can identify whether someone else is town or not........

.... ok that thought process stopped, mafia in groups of 2 can fakeclaim. Maybe 4 groups of 3?


We need to find a middle ground. Not too far away and not too close. We want to be able to help other townies by slowing down angels so they can't reach us.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#109
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 14 2013 22:23 GMT
#110
ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:23 GMT
#111
On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.


I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I'll have to think about it because it makes my brain hurt already.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#112
On May 15 2013 07:23 phagga wrote:
ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound?


Why doesn't everyone just do their own thing, and we could possibly have everyone identified? Or lots of people at least?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:24 GMT
#113
On May 15 2013 07:23 phagga wrote:
ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound?


Maybe we should all claim our movement patterns JUST before the lynch happens. Mafia won't have time to send in imitation movements between our claim and the day ending. This would probably be the best way for us to identify ourselves on the game board.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:25 GMT
#114
On May 15 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.


I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I'll have to think about it because it makes my brain hurt already.


fair enough
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:26 GMT
#115
Also everyone should really make sure they check out how the vision works on the 2nd or 3rd tab of the spreadsheet. Should help people inform themselves of what's going on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#116
given that angels can lose two movement speed in the flashlight i'm going to guess they have like 3+ movement speed. If they had 2 or less it would just say they couldn't move while caught in a flashlight
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 14 2013 22:32 GMT
#117
On May 15 2013 07:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote:
On May 15 2013 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:
our goal should be to get close to each other and shine flashlights to identify angels, right? I'm assuming vigi and DT powers work like angel feeding-- that is to say, reliant on the board to operate

Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else.


yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range.

in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players.

I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong.


Well, if one person is shining on an angel directly others can slow the angel down too if its in their greater view (see google doc pages 2 and 3. But the problem will be to coordinate this properly (mainly if the first town finds an angel, will there be enough time for another to come help the angle slow down before the angel feeds on the first townie).

Regarding claiming movement right before deadline, I just fear that several people might move in the same direction with the same speed. Hence the idea that we try to assign low MS and directions to get 12 unique moving patterns. Of course, the problem then might be that mafia tries to manipulate it to get close to townies fast.

I need to sleep over this.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:33 GMT
#118
If we see the angel then hopefully the person can shine on them and retreat in time for us to lynch them, no?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 14 2013 22:34 GMT
#119
if we know who the angel is, yes.
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 14 2013 22:36 GMT
#120
On May 15 2013 07:34 phagga wrote:
if we know who the angel is, yes.


ah. yes. thinking about it... hopefully we should do. everyone figures out their letter and claims it, i guess mafia won't duplicate a townie's? so they could only letter shift between themselves. probably mafia will claim their own letters?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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