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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
raynpelikoneet Geript yamato Mocsta Sharrant Argee or not? If not, why? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:25 Keirathi wrote: I think you're reading Assassin wrong. AFAIK, a scum assassin can't say ##Kill austinmcc GREEN. Its either ##Kill: austinmcc ROLENAME, or ##Kill austinmcc RED. I think I read it wrong as well. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:41 Caller wrote: disagree cuz ive already sent in [1][1] You can't change it? | ||
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Vivax
21959 Posts
I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 04 2013 23:34 Sharrant wrote: If town gets inventor: Be as pro town as you possibly can be, this is a great role for town to have. We should see lots of bullet proof vests, and similar defensive or investigative items coming out from you. That's not what you guys will get from me if I get inventor.... As for plans, just suit yourselves. + Show Spoiler [Setup stuff] + Wisdom: If your plan FORCES specific players to do an action they may not want individually, then you NEED to either have almost unanimous support, or a way to enforce that authoritarian method. Forcing VTs to claim their roles (when maybe they don't want to, depending what role they chose, what draft position they have, and what they think of the game) would not work that well for instance. Same with other stuff. There are "obvious" things that town has to do of course. Mainly "get good roles" and "deny mafia good roles". Just pick your roles with this in consideration, but not only that, think about what other people may get as well If you are selfless and think other's are egoistic, pick a Medic or sorts role (since in your mind nobody else would pick so) If you are selfish but think you can use your role in a good manner, pick some good KP role or something However, I won't mind people trying to play "individually" and get a cool role they want or something. That's what PYP is there for. The important thing is that either those people synergize their picks and skills pretty well, or they don't outnumber the players picking roles to "help town" (for instance those trying to deny scum of Janitor, etc) Other "obvious" stuff is to basically deny mafia the CPR Doctor. They'll try to get that 100%. Not so much Janitor. It is more an ability that fucks town more than it helps scum, thus in their mind scum may not try to get it that much (it doesn't further their agenda directly for instance, and they have little control on what it can do). If you are townie on the 1-3 position, coordinate who gets CPR Doctor somehow, or just take it yourself. That's the only "important" thing we should take care of in my mind. I know if I try to think about the setup I'll waste most of my time (time I don't have) and won't do shit, so I'll just focus on scumhunting. Other people with more time (yamato and CO) figure out all those plans and discuss them if you want. I doubt there is anything game-changing that won't be resolved with ol' good accurate scumhunting. You guys keep doing your think though. Hopefully the thread doesn't move so fast about "pointless" discussion after the picking phase though I'll officially call VE out for making a halfassed post about agreeing with yamato's plan. Also, I'm getting a slight idea someone else is scum....mwahahaha. Who? Oh, you don't want me to ruin the fun right now don't you? | ||
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Vivax
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: It's ok caller, just means you will be the last one along with the designated elected townie mofo you'll contest. Hurt yourself bro. I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D au contraire mafia will push any ideas even if they are "good" because their picking strategy never reflects what town is thinking and if they have a "good plan" they become more "townlike." or they participate. either way it looks good on them. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: nonono.. The most towniest guys obviously pick 1,2,3, etc.. Lol what he is saying is that if the scum send the 3 townie dudes back, clearly it means that they dont want the townie dudes to have good powers. I dont see what this does other than only take out 3 roles rather than 8. Also with a few nightkill protect roles, shouldnt the towniest mofo's take those? | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The people who have proposed the best ideas? WHAT? Also I dont feel confident in 5 hard town reads at the time. Going with geript's idea and I dont see why you dont want to | ||
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Vivax
21959 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter if they proposed good or bad ideas. Mafia is probably not going to push any ideas at all (because they all have a backdoor - because there are so many roles). Everyone pushing ideas regardless if they are good/bad are probably town at this point, especially the guys who are pushing ultimately bad ideas. :D I would probably support you as candidate cause I don't think that there can be mostly mafia among the most active and engaged candidates you proposed, so that makes you look quite townie. ##Pick #1: Rayn  | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:43 Vivax wrote: It's ok caller, just means you will be the last one along with the designated elected townie mofo you'll contest. Hurt yourself bro. I'll take a look at your options there. Seems like you like to pick the most active ones, but need to check if they're actually proposing malicious ideas. Disagreed on some stuff with sharrant, for example. It's like he wanted to leave "dangerous" roles open for scum. Wisdom: Unless you are a Palmar, or an Ace, or a Wbg, or that type of scum, it's more likely that if you are scum you'll post ideas that you would post as town as well, meaning ideas that benefit town more than scum, but you know won't be likely to get implemented and thus gives you town cred. Therefore, people doing the opposite may give them a slightly higher chance of being town (if not pretty higher), if their thought process seems legit. Pre-Edit: Oh look, "troll Caller" ninja'ing me with my wisdom bits. On April 05 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Combine Vivax' + Geript's ideas and let these guys pick [1][1], [2][1], [3][1], [4][1], [5][1] (everyone else picks [6->] [X]): raynpelikoneet Geript yamato Mocsta Sharrant Argee or not? If not, why? Hmm...I agree with this list to be honest. Doesn't require super massive coordination to do X, but rather lesser coordination not to do Y, which, if those people claim in-thread they'll get those numbers, would obviously work because "selfish" townies and scum will pick different numbers to not clash. As long as none of them pick inventor of course! (I'm being serious here though) I did pick a number between 1-6 though, so if this plan becomes a consensus, or rather those 5 guys claim they send those numbers I'll change my pick to 7> | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:47 Caller wrote: au contraire mafia will push any ideas even if they are "good" because their picking strategy never reflects what town is thinking and if they have a "good plan" they become more "townlike." or they participate. either way it looks good on them. As i said the guys top in drafting order are gonna fall fast, thay have the "best" roles after all (or at least likely). If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's good for town? Doesn't it hurt your team? If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's bad for town? Doesn't it draw suspicion to you? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Oats please read the thread.. :E | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: As i said the guys top in drafting order are gonna fall fast, thay have the "best" roles after all (or at least likely). If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's good for town? Doesn't it hurt your team? If you were mafia why would you push an idea that's bad for town? Doesn't it draw suspicion to you? You cant push a bad strategy in PYP, you just cant. It gets shut down immediately. Its better for them to let town do what they do and maybe slightly alter the 'plan' to benefit scum more. So therefore your town 'criteria' is absolute bullshit | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You cant push a bad strategy in PYP, you just cant. It gets shut down immediately. Its better for them to let town do what they do and maybe slightly alter the 'plan' to benefit scum more. So therefore your town 'criteria' is absolute bullshit Do you think bad plans are coming from town or from mafia? Why? | ||
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