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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On April 05 2013 02:53 Caller wrote: wait how does vivax know there are five mafia Elaborate plz? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think bad plans are coming from town or from mafia? Why? I think bad plans are more likely to come from town, but the decided plan, will appear town favoured. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:53 Caller wrote: wait how does vivax know there are five mafia It says it right under the player list. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
in his plan he says mafia will match 3 townies and have 2 left over, so 5. how does he know there are 5 mafia? | ||
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Caller
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Vivax
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Reading OP helped a little with that. The idea is good, there's not really much incentive for mafia to make plans or post at all at this stage. They have an excuse for not being active cause they might say they regard draft discussion as unimportant, so rayn's candidates are good choices. They spontaneously try to get the best out of the game, and if they push bad ideas they might look scummy, as rayn said. Still have to read them in detail, but this argument holds anyway, given that activity and intention to influence thread are there, argument quality aside. | ||
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geript
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@All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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rofl. :D | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:59 geript wrote: @Caller what do you think of my plan? @All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them. don't care about plans fos keirathi | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:58 Vivax wrote: @ Caller Reading OP helped a little with that. The idea is good, there's not really much incentive for mafia to make plans or post at all at this stage. They have an excuse for not being active cause they might say they regard draft discussion as unimportant, so rayn's candidates are good choices. They spontaneously try to get the best out of the game, and if they push bad ideas they might look scummy, as rayn said. Still have to read them in detail, but this argument holds anyway, given that activity and intention to influence thread are there, argument quality aside. Fuck that. Its the easiest way to look like town to contribute in a 'plan'. Its really easy cause you can do it as both alignments cause you dont have to offer any opinions. In chrono trigger. Some of the scum werent all quiet and shit, they contributed and yes there was a bad plan proposed by scum, but I dont see that here. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck that. Its the easiest way to look like town to contribute in a 'plan'. Its really easy cause you can do it as both alignments cause you dont have to offer any opinions. In chrono trigger. Some of the scum werent all quiet and shit, they contributed and yes there was a bad plan proposed by scum, but I dont see that here. So what exactly are you saying? Is there scum in the list i proposed? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what exactly are you saying? Is there scum in the list i proposed? I dont know. I dont know if they are town either. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:59 geript wrote: @All Would everyone be okay if I came up with a set of 5 pods of rolls and the pods to be selected from in specific picks? I'd expect some feedback and editing on them. I'll be completely honest and say I hate plans like this. The game is called Pick YOUR Power. Not Let Everyone Else Pick Your Power For You. For one, I just don't see everyone agreeing, and to me it just ruins the fun of the game type. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 05 2013 02:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You cant push a bad strategy in PYP, you just cant. It gets shut down immediately. Its better for them to let town do what they do and maybe slightly alter the 'plan' to benefit scum more. So therefore your town 'criteria' is absolute bullshit The criteria may be "bullshit"....to an extent. It's "obvious" that in many games the people being the most active are more likely to be town. In this game, yamato, rayn, Sharrant, and to an extent Moctsa/geript have been the most active in going with discussion. Yes, it's possible one (or more) of them are scum, just have some big balls and decided to start the game guns-blazing going for town cred and trying to be an influence. The thing is that other than maybe yamato/Mocsta I don't see them doing that as scum (as opposed if they were wbg or something like that), plus their interactions with them seem legit in the sense that they are genuinely discussing stuff to be productive (which is likelier to come from townies than scum). For instance, take a look at all others that "chimed in" with "pro-town plans" and stuff.....yet made absolutely no impact at all in the game It's possible you'll find your first scums in there (if not on the inactive/"bored" players as well). I have little against this plan to be honest. Even if one of them is scum, they are somehow more restricted by what they pick. If those 5 get the first 5 positions, we KNOW they will pick strong town roles. If we see a strong role being used in an anti-town way, when those guys were supposed to get said role, then alarms are raised, and pressure is put on those people, specially the scum that took that strong role. Like I stated, the only cooperation town has to make is NOT do something, which is many many times easier than forcing them to do something. In fact, think about it this way: You are a townie, and you don't think any of those 5 people are scum. You can pick either 1-6, or >7. If you pick 1-6, you basically go to the bottom of the draft for sure, thus not being able to pick good roles. You also drag someone down with you 100%, someone you are not sure is scum and may even think is town Would you pick 1-6, after those people already claimed their picks? Most likely not, specially not if you don't do it publicly This plan is good in the sense that it "forces" players to do (or not do) something, but in a way it's actually supposed to work because it caters to those players' mentality and what their natural reaction would be.. The only thing that remains is scum clashing with those 5 people, which can out them if we compare draft numbers and positions. /wisdom | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:04 Keirathi wrote: I'll be completely honest and say I hate plans like this. The game is called Pick YOUR Power. Not Let Everyone Else Pick Your Power For You. For one, I just don't see everyone agreeing, and to me it just ruins the fun of the game type. yo town. Apparently everyone wants to win anyway how. I agree with you and take the same stance as deconduo. Discuss Vivax scum or not? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:04 Keirathi wrote: I'll be completely honest and say I hate plans like this. The game is called Pick YOUR Power. Not Let Everyone Else Pick Your Power For You. For one, I just don't see everyone agreeing, and to me it just ruins the fun of the game type. Nobody is saying what you should pick. I am suggesting that 5 players get to pick first. Is that a good plan or not and are the players town/mafia in your opinion? There are like 100 - or something - roles. If you don't get your favourite pick i'm sure you can find something else that suits you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
For instance, take a look at all others that "chimed in" with "pro-town plans" and stuff.....yet made absolutely no impact at all in the game It's possible you'll find your first scums in there (if not on the inactive/"bored" players as well). Prove it. Also isnt the point of having 5 'confirmed' townies in order to choose the roles to deny from mafia for them? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nobody is saying what you should pick. I am suggesting that 5 players get to pick first. Is that a good plan or not and are the players town/mafia in your opinion? There are like 100 - or something - roles. If you don't get your favourite pick i'm sure you can find something else that suits you. There are less than 30. This is funny though. You want the 5 players to claim which roles they pick? Then you dont want people to deny. WHY? | ||
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