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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 30 2013 01:56 Vivax wrote: Toad, did you look into Axle's willingness to vote gonzaw before the check? What are your results? no I haven't  His posts are so hard to read and I don't want to although I realy should... | ||
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Vivax
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It's a bad argument, they double stacked to incriminate him in the first place. Would be ridiculous to defend him afterwards. | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
Are you trying to say that scum would try to sway off votes from BKE in your world? And how is that even related to you picking Chez? How did you know before the night ended that people would be sure that BKE was mafia afterwards since that seems to be your reasoning for picking Chez? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:14 Vivax wrote: Why are we even arguing about this again? What has this even to do with you picking Chez over anyone else? Are you trying to say that scum would try to sway off votes from BKE in your world? And how is that even related to you picking Chez? How did you know before the night ended that people would be sure that BKE was mafia afterwards since that seems to be your reasoning for picking Chez? Imagine how stubborn you can be on occasion. Then multiply it by 2 and look at annul. His argument is that in case he miraculously got shot night 2, he wanted to have his bomb on a mafia we were killing anyway, on the basis that BKE had to be mafia 100% (despite the fact night actions hadn't 'confirmed' BKE as mafia yet). And he'll continue to argue his role usage is "fine". Not getting any more out of this one :/ | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
The question to you was simple: Why did you pick Chez as target for your bomb? You answer with: My role usage was fine. assuming BKE was mafia, like 100% of the players here did (i may have missed a defender, but i doubt it), then there is literally no reason at all to have killed chez yesterday. none. mafia KP remains at 1 and chez does not hold any town powers, he isn't trusted, he's essentially already dead, just with a voice and one vote. that's it. IF BKE was mafia, when the first accusation went against him (i think it was someone saying "yeah you're definitely mafia" as a one-liner right after one of his posts), people may have tried to sway people off of him. i can see a world where they do this, yes. i would as scum anyway. I can understand your first argument for not killing Chez that day, except that for the part that implies that you wanted to drag Chez along until the lategame. But the second? Why are you justifying the fact that you thought BKE was mafia during the day? That was like the most natural thing one could do as town. | ||
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Vivax
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I however got mad when Vivax + Annul asked me to claim the medic + DT in the thread (which still was retarded by the way) and kept talking about it longer than I should have. Bugs died although I asked medics to protect him. I think if mafia looked at what I posted it should have been obvious that Axle was one of the blues I'm talking about because both bugs and I miraculously (to the rest of the thread) had him down as 99% certain townie. It really shouldn't have been hard to figure out who I was talking about for mafia. They probably didn't shoot bugs because they thought him to be the DT but they could have just gone for Axle + someone else. They didn't. Now go ask yourself why Axle is still alive with me talking about blues so blatantly and telling people how axle is 99% confirmed town. | ||
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Vivax
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annul
United States2841 Posts
there is only one hole in my argument in getting the lynch off of chez and that is the assumption of BKE being red. the implication of "LOL SEE BKE WAS NOT RED THEREFORE YOUR CHEZ PLAN SUCKED LOL YOU'RE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!" had to be countered, and the way i did it was as you saw. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:36 annul wrote: i am not guilty. stop attempting to frame me in such a way. there is only one hole in my argument in getting the lynch off of chez and that is the assumption of BKE being red. the implication of "LOL SEE BKE WAS NOT RED THEREFORE YOUR CHEZ PLAN SUCKED LOL YOU'RE MAFIA!!!!!!!!!!" had to be countered, and the way i did it was as you saw. the point is that even if BKE is red your plan would have been anti-town. If you're telling the truth you are town. If you are town telling the truth about having bomb on BKE you're not getting shot by mafia, especially not while everyone is screaming for your head. So unless you think you're mafia and you're scared to be shot by some random vig / joat who has kept his shot until now there's NO WAY for your plan to work. | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
Wasn't enough to lynch me immediately, but it was for later. How is the assumption of BKE being red a hole in your argument? Are you trying to say that you would not have tried to stop the Chez lynch if you thought BKE was green? | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
He knew all the things he's guilty of, and one of them is calling BKE scum. That's why he's justifying for doing that when literally all of town was sure about BKE. Forget axle, let's annul annul | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 30 2013 02:50 Vivax wrote: Come on, it's clear annul just dug himself into a hole by trying to argue with something that isn't even related to the accusation. He knew all the things he's guilty of, and one of them is calling BKE scum. That's why he's justifying for doing that when literally all of town was sure about BKE. Forget axle, let's annul annul His argument is that if BKE is mafia, then mafia KP is reduced, and there's no reason to lynch Chezinu. I don't think he's defending himself for something not mentioned, because that's a central part of his 'plan'. Of course it was retarded anyway because he should have put his bomb on someone that we weren't lynching, but there we go. | ||
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Vivax
22407 Posts
1. Place bomb on Chez cause you think he's scum. 2. Claim MH with the intention of keeping the bomb on Chez suggesting that you want him around until lategame. 3. Claim you did so cause you thought BKE was scum and since you are so sure of that it implies that mafia will only have 1 KP left after the lynch. Now we stand corrected. Chez was mafia, they would have had 2 KP last night if we listened to annul. Annul is being accused of point 1, and 2. Annul justifies point 3 and ignores 1 and 2. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Vivax
22407 Posts
He and austin are far better lynches than Axle in my opinion. As far as I'm understanding Toad he thinks Axle is scum cause he talked like he's a medic but didn't claim in the mason chat. Well, he could have claimed saying that he tried to save someone if he was mafia, so I don't see the point Toad sees. The Chez and gonzaw support can be said for grush and debears as well, I'm sure debears supported Chez initially, not sure about gonzaw, would have to look but I checked him anyway. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:09 Vivax wrote: Meh, whatever. He and austin are far better lynches than Axle in my opinion. As far as I'm understanding Toad he thinks Axle is scum cause he talked like he's a medic but didn't claim in the mason chat. Well, he could have claimed saying that he tried to save someone if he was mafia, so I don't see the point Toad sees. The Chez and gonzaw support can be said for grush and debears as well, I'm sure debears supported Chez initially, not sure about gonzaw, would have to look but I checked him anyway. grush is a mason with starsenses, and debears you checked green. Mocsta also flipped green. It's logical to lynch a gonzaw voter, apart from anything else. Also Toad didn't ask him if he was medic, he just asked him to claim his role. Toad and I discussed this and made sure Toad didn't "lead" Axle on for this reason. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:12 FiveTouch wrote: grush is a mason with starsenses, and debears you checked green. Mocsta also flipped green. It's logical to lynch a gonzaw voter, apart from anything else. Also Toad didn't ask him if he was medic, he just asked him to claim his role. Toad and I discussed this and made sure Toad didn't "lead" Axle on for this reason. not to mention that everyone thinks Axle is mafia for a reason... just take a look at his filter. We're not lynching him for looking like a medic. If that would be the case and he really did that on purpose he would have claimed medic to me (as both mafia and town because as mafia he want's to keep the play and as town he has to make sure noone knows it's a play). We wanted to lynch him all along but didn't do so because we thought he's a medic for a damn good reason. Now that we cleared that one out there's no reason not to lynch him right now. I agree Annul would be a good lynch as well but I think Axle's the better one for today. And Annul +mkfuba for tomorrow. | ||
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Vivax
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:12 FiveTouch wrote: Mocsta also flipped green. he flipped blue | ||
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