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On December 15 2012 10:18 Hapahauli wrote:Not time to vote Palmar.
I'll have to look between jay, VE, BL, and Z-Bo for the next scummer. I was planning to post question VE about one of his posts if Tunkeg flipped red. That sadly didn't happen, but the post seems relevant regardless: Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 16:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
After looking at Tunkeg's filter, it's mostly blah. Not even in a bad way or good way...just blah. The only thing I don't like about his filter is nicely summed up in Hapa's post on the guy - his periods of absolute certainty that he shouldn't have if he's town.
His "martyr reads" and Adam's reads ended up being strikingly similar, but Tunkeg's came first and Adam flipped scum.
He MIGHT be scum, but I'm not really interested in lynching him today. I prefer to see ZBoson flip before making a final judgement call on Tunkeg. If I can't get a ZBoson lynch and Tunkeg is the only other alternative however, I would vote for Tunkeg. The bolded is a pretty strong statement. I'm not sure if it's just poor wording or not, but he seems to be putting some heavy suspicion on Tunkeg, then dancing around the issue in favor of Z-Bo.
On December 16 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Way to fight the good fight guys
##Vote VisceraEyes
On December 18 2012 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:
interesting. I'll have to think about whether it's true or not. If no one counterclaims, I could get behind a Jay lynch. His tunnel on Djo felt really forced all through today.
On December 18 2012 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
I want to lynch jay because his tunnel on Djo felt really forced. He's also afk for critical moments of the game (such as now) and he hasn't given me any reasons to think he's town. That's only if VE steps up though.
On December 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I can't figure out a player that I'd feel comfortable switching onto.
Jay's reactions so far don't seem scummy. He's setting himself up to draw alot of attention to himself regardless of how VE flips. Even Z-Bo seems alright.
...and who else? Bluelightz? Seems like a coin-flip.
two times hapa has the opposite reaction of the thread (not doubting ve's claim and thinking jay looked townie at the end of d3)
He started the day wanting to vote for ve. jay was also a possible candidate. ve claims, nobody believes him except hapa and hapa wants to lynch jay. then jay comes into the thread acting crazy and hapa no longer wants to lynch jay and settles on a "coinflip" between bluelightz and boson
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Regarding jay.
First of all, I don't agree with his WIFOM defense. He's on a team with VE, lord of WIFOMs, and if he acknowledges it would be the "dumbest" play as scum, then that's a play he would be willing to do.
If we don't take WIFOM into consideration, the only thing that results is his actions - trying to stop a VE lynch, which is 100% mafia agenda. He was also quite quite convinced of his "logic" on how VE was town (which to me makes no fucking sense).
Let's take a gander at this other topic, which I think is quite damning.
Jay's stance on Djo
In the beggining of the day, jay is mega-fucking-power convinced that Djo is scum. He cites Palmar on how he wanted Djo dead (whilst ignoring VE, but we'll get to that). Observe:
On December 16 2012 08:06 jaybrundage wrote:
I would be down for a djo lynch.
On December 16 2012 14:17 jaybrundage wrote:
I support a Djodref lynch.
On December 16 2012 14:22 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Djodref
On December 17 2012 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:05 Djodref wrote:
Please notice how jay is pushing my lynch !
-> not so strong, right ?
Please notice how he ran away from the questions I've just asked him !
-> so who is more likely to be scum and town between him and me ?
Just to be clear i think it would b a mistake to lynch anyone but you;. Palmar wanted you dead for good reason.
There's no mistaking it, he really does think Djo is scum (or so he makes it look like). Once VE starts getting a few votes in, he flips the switch. And decides to vote... ME! No reasoning at all. The only mention he has of me that's earlier than that is when he "pressure voted" me on my joke-slip.
On December 15 2012 09:30 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 09:19 marvellosity wrote:On December 15 2012 09:18 jaybrundage wrote:
Sorry guys for not being here. I threw my vote for tunkeg as we already have 7 on it, and to stop a last minute vote change. Im like 250 posts behind catching up now. this is like the 2nd day out of 2 that your reasons for voting have basically been "to stop a last minute vote change". What gives? Nope nope nope. My reason last time was to stop a no lynch. We didn't have enough to lynch adam until i stepped in. Also if tunkeg is scum like adam was scum. Why wouldn't I want to keep the lynch on him. Im just following what town wants to do. (If town is indeed the reason we reached this majority) Back to catching up. Oh and if anyone is curious. On my Z-Boson Vote yesterday. It was just a pressure vote.
So he initially disagrees that I'm a scumread. He didn't push me, didn't mention me, so I'm cool with him right?
So now he for some reason, decided that he would try to sway the vote onto ME, of all people. Why me? Why not Djo, why not Vivax, why not someone else he's been suspicious of this game?
On December 18 2012 09:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm I dont think VE is scum. In fact i would say that im pretty dam postive VE isnt scum. Seeing how easily this lynch is going.
And considering that my vote isnt on VE and they already hit 7. This isnt a bus. This is a Mislynch. Switch to Zboson plz.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-Boson
And his suspicions on Djo totally disappeared. He suddenly treats Djo as if he's townie:
On December 18 2012 09:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Djo are you here too. get off the lynch wagon we can do this
On December 18 2012 09:47 jaybrundage wrote:
Considering that he is actually considering this. I would say no.
As scum would be against it.
I could see a scum team being. Vivax, Z-Boson, And my favorite Marv.
Anyone down for a Vivax or Zboson lynch
But regardless if we dont consoldate i think we should get of VE
And also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=123#2456
Normally I'd agree with Hapa that he's setting himself up to attract too much attention to himself, but what makes the deal for him is how little sense he makes in his choices. A regular townie would likely have tried to sway onto someone he had actually thought suspicious at least one other time in the game.
He also acknowledges that as scum he'd have to be really stupid to do that, so this means he's self-aware of this.
He also would have been a team with VE, who would have told him to do that and would thus justify the biggest 180 I've ever seen.
How "misunderstood" he is
This is evidence that lines up with his actions. He keeps referring to himself as how he's misunderstood, at how easy it is for him to get mislynched. I view this as a setup for him to make the nonsensical decisions he has made this game as well. I'm lazy to quote them, but multiple times this game he's made it a point to say such a thing.
His blatant misdirection on Palmar's post
I decided to separate this from the original quote he cited from Palmar. I noted this earlier, but I'll emphasize it right now because I think it's important. Let's take a look at this interaction with me:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 11:53 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.
Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.
Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon. I feel more confident in my Djodref lynch. I think his diverting attemps day 1. Also the crazy resistance to his lynch day 2 are likely cause he is mafia. Also Palmar was having trouble reading VE. On December 17 2012 12:11 Z-BosoN wrote:Jay this is the part that needs to be bolded: Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.
Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.
Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon. I don't see that as "trouble reading VE". It looks to me like he read VE just fine and made a concessive remark in case VE flips town. I also corroborate on this with my above post using Liquid City as an example. On December 17 2012 12:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Z-bo right after Palmar says that. He then goes on to speculate if VE could be town. He wasnt as confident in that read as he put out.
Regardless its not just Palmar's reasoning that I want to lynch Djodref. Hes been scummy for a while.
He took one part of the post that Palmar made to support his wanting to go after Djo, but let us remember that Palmar also specifically said that VE was perhaps a better lynch due to how "certain" it was that he was scum. Why did jay simply ignore this? Why didn't jay bother discussing on VE at all?
How in the goddamn hell does he feel VE is a mislynch when a confirmed Palmar said he specifically wanted Jay dead? If Jay really thought him to be town, why didn't he defend VE earlier when town was still indecisive?
This even more supports the idea that Jay was asked to do this in the scum QT or something like that.
I'm gonna be real clear and specific here, because I think we just hit the spot.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=117#2333
On December 18 2012 09:23 jaybrundage wrote:
Hmm I dont think VE is scum. In fact i would say that im pretty dam postive VE isnt scum. Seeing how easily this lynch is going.
And considering that my vote isnt on VE and they already hit 7. This isnt a bus. This is a Mislynch. Switch to Zboson plz.
##Unvote
##Vote Z-Boson
Jay hadn't mentioned or talked to VE at all. Jay hadn't mentioned me as a scum read at all. This post instantly and out of nowhere introduces two things that were never discussed nor made clear in jay's filter.
tl;dr
Everything points towards him purposefully drawing attention to himself (his self-awareness, his remarks on how mislynchable he is, his sudden and abrupt turnaround on TWO aspects of his game).
His play makes no sense a billion times over from townie perspective (Djo thing is just... wtf).
WIFOM aside, he's pushing a mafia agenda.
Jay is scum.
Discuss.
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I'll leave Hapa to defend himself against these points, but I want to point out a few things:
Hapa settles on a coinflip between BL and boson?
Are you sure we are reading the same thing?It seems to me you're putting words into his mouth.
It looks to me like he's posting reasons to not switch his vote, rather than posting targets he'd switch his vote onto.
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thrawn, please read my case and tell me why you think jay is town
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I'm just leaving this here:
On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.
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On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? VE gimme your thoughts on thrash After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here. On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME). What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly. Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion? If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing. That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers. Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says. But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case. He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation. Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days? Ikr Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video? Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ? What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ? To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice sonAnd it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware. So from town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1. Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom I'm the first to vote in the voting thread  So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay... I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not. At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ? Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day. The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else. So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this... Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone? On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:
"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."
I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that. His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt. @ JayI read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either. The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out. It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em? Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : / I call people dumb or idiots? So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy? I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers. And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me. Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum. ##Vote Vivax(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.) ....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die. ##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundageI'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings.
And ofc VE would of been completly willing to vote me to save his scum buddy.
On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.
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/\ Also VE writes a huge case on me this is Day 1. Would scum really both try to deflect the lynch over to there scum buddy?
I was the townie that almost got lynched day one.
Here is Adams read. Indicating that im scum. Then subsequently voting for me.
On December 12 2012 09:07 Adam4167 wrote:
Alright, seeing as I am the leading vote getter today, Ill get some reads out for you guys so my death isn't a complete waste.
Obvious town to me:
Palmar, Clarity, dabears, Marv, Thrawn and Vivax.
Jaybrundage
Jay is lurky when he plays scum, and right now he's fitting the bill. In Arkham City I fell into the trap of thinking that he was too scummy to be scum, and largely ignored him for the entire game until he obviously fakeclaimed and outed himself. This game he looks mostly the same here, ultra lurky, and non-contributive. He's jumped onto my wagon with the reason of " Id rather lynch bluelightz, but I don't want a no lynch". Probably scum.
Bluelightz
Bluelightz is another one that ultra lurks when he is scum. He was literally afraid to post in Student mafia after replacing in and just sat around in the scum QT. His play in Aperture mafa as scum was similar to his play this game, he throws out a couple of reads and then lurks until someone takes an interest in him. Probably scum.
WBG
He looks to be bending his reads to please palmar, which is never a good sign from someone as headstrong as WBG. Look at his attitude towards myself, early game he has no problem with my gameplay, after declaring nobody in the thread looks suspicious and turning his attention towards the lurkers. Then, palmar posts his video and I become a suspect, he adds me to his list of scum targets, but with flimsy reasoning and 'meta' but would still rather push other people. Probably scum.
Tunkeg
Tunkeg is an interesting one. His emo routine after being questioned is not what I would consider 'townie', but his list of reads is at least somewhat helpful and actually looks somewhat similar to mine. I'd keep him alive for now, but keep an eye on him, as he so happily points out, we have no idea what to expect from his scum play. Mostly Null, make him work to show his alignment.
VisceraEyes
VE has mostly lurked today and really hasn't put much into this game. He's capable of this as either town or scum. He seems pretty content to sheep most of Palmars reads this game, something I wouldn't expect from him but I do like his case on jaybrundage. Mostly null, some small contributions.
Djodref
Djodref's biggest scum tell from Mario Mafia was that he did absolutely no scum hunting and sat around setup speculating even at LYLO. He's pushed some cases this game, which I consider points in his favour, but he's also back flipped his read on me as soon as Palmar mentioned both of us in his video. He's spent a majority of day 1 defending himself from bad cases, and I think he's capable of being a good contributing townie, leaning town on Djodref.
Anyone else that I haven't got to either wasn't memorable or isn't putting in enough effort.
##Vote Jaybrundage
Also VE writes a huge case on me this is Day 1. Would scum really both try to deflect the lynch over to there scum buddy?
I was the townie that almost got lynched day one.
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jay, all this doesn't help you. in fact it's having the opposite effect on me.
who do you think is scum? write stuff about that instead
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Yes, a case that disappeared into day one and was not discussed in the slightest.
Waiting on you to explain my concerns in the case I made.
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On December 19 2012 03:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
jay, all this doesn't help you. in fact it's having the opposite effect on me.
who do you think is scum? write stuff about that instead
At this point i dont know. Djo was my inital scum read. But he has been posting alot better. Although If palmar was right we could have them both being scum. VE did after all claim a town read on Djo. Something ot think about
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Also, note that VE voted jay when jay already had like 4 votes.
Same way he voted Adam when he had 7 votes.
Only on Adam, since he really couldn't add anything (or got lazy), he just went and voted without a case.
Of course, I'm not judging you by VE. I'm judging you by your play, and how zero sense it makes coming from a townie.
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On December 19 2012 04:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, note that VE voted jay when jay already had like 4 votes.
Same way he voted Adam when he had 7 votes.
Only on Adam, since he really couldn't add anything (or got lazy), he just went and voted without a case.
Of course, I'm not judging you by VE. I'm judging you by your play, and how zero sense it makes coming from a townie.
Not like it makes much sense from a scum perspective really.
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Its not optimal play for either party. However i only said to vote you cause thats what VE suggested, and i thought he was a townie cop and hes also a vet.
Also i added that i didnt care who they put there votes on i just was really sure that VE was town, because of my fucked up math.
Got my thousand posts and a corsair :3
I miss my dragoon tho 
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OH SHIT i edited im sorry i just noticed my thousand posts and added the part about it wasnt even thinking. SORRY
CAN YOU NOT BAN ME HOST
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On December 19 2012 00:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
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Regarding jay/Hapa.
They went after me as soon as thrawn opened the wound. Scum are generally much more comfortable seconding some other reads.
If you note VE's post, look how he said he was re-writing his post on me or whatever, and a bunch of time later, hips "case" on me is a couple of quotes, and doesn't push it. I should have realized this much earlier, this is a rather strong tell
Um. I didn't go after you this game, have I? I think I've had a couple of posts that were "leaning scum" or "leaning town" or "null" on you, but I haven't had many interactions with you this game.
Regarding Hapa, his play is really off from his meta. He play is characterized by making cases, but he also does that as scum. What mostly unsettles me is how he's not thrown anyone against the wall this game, and doesn't have not nearly as much OMGUSing going on as in his townie games.
Now that VE has flipped red, I want even more to lynch into them tomorrow. Their stances on VE, as noted above, didn't look so townie, moreso with jay. Hapa isn't known for sheeping like that, and Jay blatantly tried to "prove" VE was town with some backwards-ass logic.
I get the behavior is different from my town play, but it's also different from my scum-play no? Name me one game as scum where I don't OMGUS, I sheep a read... etc.
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On December 19 2012 01:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Time to vote Palmar? Not time to vote Palmar.
I'll have to look between jay, VE, BL, and Z-Bo for the next scummer. I was planning to post question VE about one of his posts if Tunkeg flipped red. That sadly didn't happen, but the post seems relevant regardless: On December 14 2012 16:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
After looking at Tunkeg's filter, it's mostly blah. Not even in a bad way or good way...just blah. The only thing I don't like about his filter is nicely summed up in Hapa's post on the guy - his periods of absolute certainty that he shouldn't have if he's town.
His "martyr reads" and Adam's reads ended up being strikingly similar, but Tunkeg's came first and Adam flipped scum.
He MIGHT be scum, but I'm not really interested in lynching him today. I prefer to see ZBoson flip before making a final judgement call on Tunkeg. If I can't get a ZBoson lynch and Tunkeg is the only other alternative however, I would vote for Tunkeg. The bolded is a pretty strong statement. I'm not sure if it's just poor wording or not, but he seems to be putting some heavy suspicion on Tunkeg, then dancing around the issue in favor of Z-Bo. Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Way to fight the good fight guys
##Vote VisceraEyes Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:
interesting. I'll have to think about whether it's true or not. If no one counterclaims, I could get behind a Jay lynch. His tunnel on Djo felt really forced all through today. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
I want to lynch jay because his tunnel on Djo felt really forced. He's also afk for critical moments of the game (such as now) and he hasn't given me any reasons to think he's town. That's only if VE steps up though. Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I can't figure out a player that I'd feel comfortable switching onto.
Jay's reactions so far don't seem scummy. He's setting himself up to draw alot of attention to himself regardless of how VE flips. Even Z-Bo seems alright.
...and who else? Bluelightz? Seems like a coin-flip. two times hapa has the opposite reaction of the thread (not doubting ve's claim and thinking jay looked townie at the end of d3) He started the day wanting to vote for ve. jay was also a possible candidate. ve claims, nobody believes him except hapa and hapa wants to lynch jay. then jay comes into the thread acting crazy and hapa no longer wants to lynch jay and settles on a "coinflip" between bluelightz and boson
How is having the opposite reaction of the thread scummy? Like seriously.
Regarding Jay, I think I've made it clear in those posts why I was thinking what I was at the time. I initially wanted to lynch Jay because he hadn't given me reasons to think he was town. Then he started acting up, and I thought that was something townie (I've since changed my mind on this).
Also, you're just shoving words into my mouth regarding the "coinflip" thing. I said that lynching bluelightz was a "coinflip" at that stage. Where do I express a desire to lynch Z-Bo? I don't.
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But thrawn, what's the mafia story behind that string of quotes? Cool, I changed my mind on Jay. But what makes that more likely for me to do as mafia rather than town? That string of quotes is me being a reactive townie, responding to new information posted in the thread.
What would I be doing there as "mafia," and why would I be doing it?
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Regarding the Thrawn Case
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=124#2461
Munk-E
I can't defend Munk-E beyond the fact that he's lynch-bait. I once again refer you to his newbie game filter (town D1 mislynch) as well as the fact that he replaced out (possibly he didn't have enough time to play). You've been content to ignore both of these factors over and over again.
Munk-E looks "scummy." I get that. However he looks pretty damn scummy in his town play. I'm not pretending his play is townie, but you should realize that it could come from town-Munk-E and that his play at the very least should be "null" in your eyes.
Hapa's Opening Posts
I think everyone forgets that I'm a replacement in this game. I made a post about something I was not-caught-up-on the second I replaced in, and changed my mind when I realized my mistake. I get that "you don't like it", but what about that is scummy?
Also... you think "responding to something too quickly" is scummy? I can' only read that as "Hapa put too much effort into replacing in, therefore he's scum." What the tits is that? I was excited to replace in and play the game initially (still had time, oh the memories...), and I was commenting on everything in the thread instantly and without a second thought. You should be reading that as townie buddy.
Hapa's Scumhunting
I get I haven't posted some giant "Wall-O-Text," however you have to keep in mind that I do this as both scum and town. In fact I'm really really good about posting long cases as scum. Tunneling people, pursuing reads, pushing reads... etc. All of those are hallmarks of my scum-play.
The same thing with "passivity" - name me one of my scum-games where I'm remotely passive. I know my activity explanations may be unsatisfying to you, but they are true. Also, outside of that 48 hour period of activity, I've been really active.
Like seriously, does anyone realize that I have a 10-page filter as a replacement in this game? As a replacement.
VE's Lynch
This is pretty selective on your part. First of all, you ignore that I was the first to park my vote on VE in the thread.
You also say that I was "too trusting" of the VE claim, when any post I have on the subject should be clear about my hesitation regarding the subject. You can't dismiss cop-claims so quickly. I still disagree with how some of you immediately pegged his claim as a lie - it's something that an inactive townie can do in that spot. Ultimately though we had no choice but to lynch him in that spot since the claim was too convenient and he wasn't doing much to help himself (and you'll notice, I never moved my vote).
You also mention my attitudes on Jay as "against the thread." 1) Why would I pick an opinion deliberately against the thread as scum? 2) What about my attitudes on Jay make me scummy? This seems to be more about you disagreeing with my opinion rather than connecting a scum motive to it.
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