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@hapa
Regarding you attacking me soon after thrawn made the case, you're right, you just kinda agreed how I was disengaged and that's about it.
However, though I still suck big time in making meta reads, your play feels totally weak and passive towards what I'm used to. Maybe not necessarily as scummy as I was making it, but still, could be you being lazy scum, and it certainly isn't helpful. I'll check you out tomorrow.
Meanwhile, can you give some thoughts on Jay/Djo? Do you still have your townread on Djo, considering the BLuelightz thing I highlighted and how he seems to focus on non-alignment-indicative stuff (mainly discussing whether or not I believe in using advice from the dead)?
Also, what do you make of BL/grush who have gone into overdrive lurking mode?
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On December 19 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
@hapa
Regarding you attacking me soon after thrawn made the case, you're right, you just kinda agreed how I was disengaged and that's about it.
That doesn't sound like "jumping on you" to me. Also, was your play disengaged at that point: true or false?
However, though I still suck big time in making meta reads, your play feels totally weak and passive towards what I'm used to. Maybe not necessarily as scummy as I was making it, but still, could be you being lazy scum, and it certainly isn't helpful. I'll check you out tomorrow.
You do realize that I've been hyper-active this game outside of a 48 hour period that I was busy. I have a 10-page filter this game... and I was a replacement! That's not "lazy scum." That's selective memory.
Meanwhile, can you give some thoughts on Jay/Djo? Do you still have your townread on Djo, considering the BLuelightz thing I highlighted and how he seems to focus on non-alignment-indicative stuff (mainly discussing whether or not I believe in using advice from the dead)?
I still am convinced that Djo is town. He's more active and gives more of a shit than anyone in this game. I think you have a higher chance to flip red than him, and I think you're town.
Also, what do you make of BL/grush who have gone into overdrive lurking mode?
I think BL is the 4th scum.
Grush... I initially said I have a town read on him, but he has been pushing mafia objectives quite hard this game. Outside of his initial bus of Adam, there's nothing much in his filter that would suggest he's town. For example, he pushed Djo really hard until I convinced him to vote for VE (at which point he weekly sheeps on VE). Same thing with the tunkeg lynch - goes hard after Djo, then weekly sheeps on Tunkeg.
The problem with Grush of course is that this is fairly normal for him as town as well.
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Where is grush pushing mafia objectives?
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On December 19 2012 05:42 Vivax wrote:
Where is grush pushing mafia objectives?
Wanting to lynch Djo over VE yesterday, then sheeping on VE when I asked him to.
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@hapa
Yes, that is why I said "you're right".
I wasn't as engaged as I was in liquid city/LVII, but I was definitely more engaged than with mario I think.
Pages of filter is different from overall presence though. Your play is marked by you trying to take control and make people follow you, which is totally not going on. Sure you don't do that as either town nor scum, but it fits scum play much better.
Anyways, if you are town I think one of BL/grush could be scum as well. Which is a coinflip, cause I seriously cannot read them.
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Hapa, that's confirmation bias. There are reasons in his filter to believe he's town.
Same like there are good reasons to vote Djo, these reasons point to him to have lied after covering Adam and trying to start a counterwagon. I also noticed a little resistance in choosing VE as target before it was clear that noone believed the claim.
If he was scum that'd be the reason he wrote 3 freaking cases with VE in the middle, so he could switch between them when possible.
But sadly like 5 people were thinking about switching, so it's hard to filter out the scum.
The problem is that he's managed to give an overall townie impression so far by going supertryhard when hewas about to get lynched.
Anyway, I've been reading like a madman and I can't get any decisive scumreads for tomorrow ;_; .
Unsure between Djo and jay.
I just know that marv has to be lynched at LYLO, but that should be a given. No, lynch him a day before just to be sure.
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Let us remember grush's last opinion of VE was "honest townie"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=75#1499
ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie
Since he never gives his reasoning on anything, it's difficult to tell, but out of nowhere he includes Djo and me+VE as scumteam. (at a time when VE already had some pressure, after the Palmar post):
On December 16 2012 13:00 grush57 wrote:
I don't know why they would shoot Clarity...
So by Palmar's and marv's reads I'm going to put Bluelightz off the lynch list.
GET DJORDEF.
Z-Boson and VE other scum? if theres 4??
So yea, in both that instance and on the instance he 6th-voted Adam, they already had a bunch of suspicion on them.
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He posts about Adam quite early, defends Bugs, suspects Djo, me and BL.
Then he jumps to VE and BL after bugs dies.
Goes back to VE, posts wishy washy shit about Tunkeg, again BL and Djo.
Dunno, I'll give him a null.
On December 11 2012 05:44 grush57 wrote:
Also Adam is reminding me of his scum play.
On December 13 2012 05:42 grush57 wrote:
Why are you guys thinking that Bugs is scum. :'(
He isn't.
Djordef is scum.
So is Vivax.
But I would also like to think that Bluelightz is scum. But that doesn't make sense if Vivax is scum.
So Djor + Vivax/BlueLightz + someone who isnt grush!!!!!!!!!
GO GO VIGILANTES
On December 13 2012 12:42 grush57 wrote:
Why does no one listen to the Starsenses? Anyways with bugs not being scum either VE or Bluelightz is scum.
##Vote: BlueLightz
On December 14 2012 05:39 grush57 wrote:ANYWAYS VE is playing super illogical, but he seems like an honest townie.
I don't know about Tunkeg he could either be bad town or scum.
Clarity is town.
Djordef never mentioned scumbuddy Adam and DIRECTLY tried to counterlynch bandwagon. That play is so bad as scum that is the only thing saving him. I am up for lynching him.
I'm also for lynching Bluelightz because his play is extremely bad/scummy. Plus the fact that out of all the vets, I find him by far the most scummy and mafia usually has atleast 1 vet.
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EBWOP: Doesn't go back to VE in the last one, like Z-Boson already mentioned.
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@ Z-Bo
On December 19 2012 05:50 Z-BosoN wrote:
@hapa
Yes, that is why I said "you're right".
I wasn't as engaged as I was in liquid city/LVII, but I was definitely more engaged than with mario I think.
Pages of filter is different from overall presence though. Your play is marked by you trying to take control and make people follow you, which is totally not going on. Sure you don't do that as either town nor scum, but it fits scum play much better.
Anyways, if you are town I think one of BL/grush could be scum as well. Which is a coinflip, cause I seriously cannot read them.
Your logic is reasonable, but unfortunately for you I'm town =P
Keep in mind that a bunch of people thought I was suspicious for the same reasoning in CT Mafia. I was less present, less active, etc. And... I was town! Woo!
@ Vivax
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm giving him (GRush) a null read as well, because he could very well be posting what he's doing as town. He's a guy who will unwittingly push mafia objectives some times.
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Yea you guys didn't convince me I just noticed that Djo has been posting towny.
Also jay is scum.
He goes on the GURSHDEVICE band wagon and then when djo flipped town he would of blamed me :'(
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What do you make of Djos lies in front of palmar grush?
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Screw this, include grush in the people I'd lynch tomorrow.
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We're going to treat this like a false start; next edit is a modkill (for anyone).
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Don't lynch grush tomorrow.
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Seriously, that would be super silly.
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Yea if u guys pick me over hapa or jay then :'(
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I guess you have very clear ideas of what you're going to do then. You're fine with grush not adding anything readable right now.
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On December 19 2012 06:34 Vivax wrote:
What do you make of Djos lies in front of palmar grush?
What do you mean by that?
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Why does this lynch suddenly make Djo less scummy for you?Cause 1 of his 3 cases was about VE?
You forgive every mistake he's done in the past cause he started posting with a gun at his head?
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