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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 18 2012 13:29 GMT
#2481
Not to mention Jay's reaction to VE's claim. And the fact that jay is totally following Palmar on me but really not on VE.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 18 2012 13:33 GMT
#2482
On December 18 2012 22:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 22:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv, look at part 2 of my post for more reasons why "this isn't town hapa." it goes beyond post count and thread presence.



what would you have expected from a town hapa instead of what you showed, thrawny?


someone who would read the context of djo's post before declaring djo his top scumread
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 18 2012 13:50 GMT
#2483
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 18 2012 13:55 GMT
#2484
On December 18 2012 22:50 Bluelightz wrote:
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness


What about Hapa ?
He isn't dead either...
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
December 18 2012 13:58 GMT
#2485
On December 18 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 22:50 Bluelightz wrote:
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness


What about Hapa ?
He isn't dead either...


Hapa doesn't have a weird meta of dieing n1 as town
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2012 14:04 GMT
#2486
On December 18 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:50 Bluelightz wrote:
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness


What about Hapa ?
He isn't dead either...


Hapa doesn't have a weird meta of dieing n1 as town


You and Vivax are both doing this, stop it. The reasons should be obvious. I can't do anything about being alive, and this just hurts more than it helps. If you really have to then lynch me at LYLO, but I don't think it will come to that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 18 2012 14:12 GMT
#2487
I'm done for today...

I'll be back before the deadline, just to check if anything new is going to happen

But, yeah, we have to lynch jay tomorrow
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 18 2012 14:33 GMT
#2488
On December 18 2012 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:50 Bluelightz wrote:
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness


What about Hapa ?
He isn't dead either...


Hapa doesn't have a weird meta of dieing n1 as town


You and Vivax are both doing this, stop it. The reasons should be obvious. I can't do anything about being alive, and this just hurts more than it helps. If you really have to then lynch me at LYLO, but I don't think it will come to that.


uh, is that your actual advice?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2012 14:36 GMT
#2489
On December 18 2012 23:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote:
On December 18 2012 22:50 Bluelightz wrote:
jay - His last ditch defence on VE doesn't look like a townie defense but a desperate attempt to divert the lynch on someone else.

marv - My god why isn't he dead

grush - overall uselessness


What about Hapa ?
He isn't dead either...


Hapa doesn't have a weird meta of dieing n1 as town


You and Vivax are both doing this, stop it. The reasons should be obvious. I can't do anything about being alive, and this just hurts more than it helps. If you really have to then lynch me at LYLO, but I don't think it will come to that.


uh, is that your actual advice?


-.- come on thrawn

we're going to be lynching scum and/or I'm going to die. Obviously if I'm alive at lylo i wont be "lol lynch me it's ok!"

it's just incredibly irritating for people to be going "eh marv scum, he's alive" when i'm pouring myself into this game and doing quite well for town if i say so myself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 15:14 GMT
#2490
Fuck yes!

On December 18 2012 21:42 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 10:51 Hapahauli wrote:
I have Z-Bo as leaning-scum through process of elimination atm.

Djo... I still think his D1 lynch actions are townie. There was that series of "COUNTERWAGON GO" posts that seem suicidal from a scum perspective. One could certainly interpret it as him not giving a shit about who gets lynched other than adam, but I just can't connect a mentality of Djo knowing Adam was scum, knowing that Adam was the clear leader to get hanged, and then going off and pulling the stunts that he did.


I like how VE, jay and Hapa wanted to lynch Z-Bo.
I'm expecting a meta-case on Z-Bo again, and him getting lynched like in Mario.

@ Z-Bo

What do you make of this ?
Could you give us some reasons for your activity level being lower than usual this game ?


About my activity, I think I'm more involved than I was in Mario. Still not as much as in some of my other games, but that's because I'm on vacation and living the good life.

Regarding jay/Hapa.

They went after me as soon as thrawn opened the wound. Scum are generally much more comfortable seconding some other reads.
If you note VE's post, look how he said he was re-writing his post on me or whatever, and a bunch of time later, his "case" on me is a couple of quotes, and doesn't push it. I should have realized this much earlier, this is a rather strong tell

Jay's jump on my slip was really pointless as town. He hasn't mentioned me since.

Regarding Hapa, his play is really off from his meta. He play is characterized by making cases, but he also does that as scum. What mostly unsettles me is how he's not thrown anyone against the wall this game, and doesn't have not nearly as much OMGUSing going on as in his townie games.

Now that VE has flipped red, I want even more to lynch into them tomorrow. Their stances on VE, as noted above, didn't look so townie, moreso with jay. Hapa isn't known for sheeping like that, and Jay blatantly tried to "prove" VE was town with some backwards-ass logic.

I am also interested in grush. It's very easy to feign bussing when you never give any reasons or logic. He was like DJODJODJO but suddenly went "nah, VE".

They both have decent chances to flipping scum, but I reaaally want to lynch Jay.

Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 15:17 GMT
#2491
Regarding marv, I'd rather not crack my brain cells on him right now
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 15:20 GMT
#2492
Actually, marv, there is one thing I'd like you to explain.
Why did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2012 15:29 GMT
#2493
On December 19 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
Actually, marv, there is one thing I'd like you to explain.
Why did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli?


Mostly because my reads were kinda in flux

the relationships between jay/djo/hapa seemed to make sense when I'd done some rooting around (hapa defending djo, jay fail-pushing djo, etc), so I thought I'd see what people thought about it (hence the lack of a vote at the time).

Hapa persuaded me to unvote him on time issues, and I was losing confidence in a Djo lynch

That left VE who still wasn't doing anything and really seemed the safest lynch of the lot after all. Which was right thankfully.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 15:33 GMT
#2494
On December 18 2012 22:29 Djodref wrote:
Not to mention Jay's reaction to VE's claim. And the fact that jay is totally following Palmar on me but really not on VE.


Wait, you also did the same thing. As soon as day three cracked, you followed palmar on VE but not really on BLuelightz.
To whom your first reaction when prodded was "I can't believe I'm getting lynched over that guy" instead of "because I think he's scum"
To whom you are not even contemplating right now.
Oh Djoey, I'm still not liking you.
A bit of WIFOM, but I'm getting the feeling that VE was gambling on living as Cop and automatically making you look green as well. That's something he'd totally do.

From a townie perspective, why would you make a case on bluelightz right after you made yours on VE? I still can't understand this.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 18 2012 15:38 GMT
#2495
Hi guys, I'm back to do some Analysis.

Today, we will take a closer look at thrawn, for trying to win people over to Hapahauli without exposing himself excessively, and for acting weird with his votes.

Stay tuned.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 15:43 GMT
#2496
On December 19 2012 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
Actually, marv, there is one thing I'd like you to explain.
Why did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli?


Mostly because my reads were kinda in flux

the relationships between jay/djo/hapa seemed to make sense when I'd done some rooting around (hapa defending djo, jay fail-pushing djo, etc), so I thought I'd see what people thought about it (hence the lack of a vote at the time).

Hapa persuaded me to unvote him on time issues, and I was losing confidence in a Djo lynch

That left VE who still wasn't doing anything and really seemed the safest lynch of the lot after all. Which was right thankfully.


I see. Do you agree with my meta read on Hapa? He hasn't OMGUSed like one single person this game and it's creeping me out.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 18 2012 15:46 GMT
#2497
On December 19 2012 00:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
On December 19 2012 00:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
Actually, marv, there is one thing I'd like you to explain.
Why did you vote VE, if you said your main suspects were jay, Djodref and Hapahauli?


Mostly because my reads were kinda in flux

the relationships between jay/djo/hapa seemed to make sense when I'd done some rooting around (hapa defending djo, jay fail-pushing djo, etc), so I thought I'd see what people thought about it (hence the lack of a vote at the time).

Hapa persuaded me to unvote him on time issues, and I was losing confidence in a Djo lynch

That left VE who still wasn't doing anything and really seemed the safest lynch of the lot after all. Which was right thankfully.


I see. Do you agree with my meta read on Hapa? He hasn't OMGUSed like one single person this game and it's creeping me out.


Well, this is all part of Hapa seeming more passive, or less attentive/less invested this game.

The thing is if Mario is anything to go by, Hapa scum is quite happy to be ranting at people as scum too. Gotta be careful with these meta reads. I'll look into it more for deadline, but in my opinion if hapa is scum it'll be because of his attitude/actions this game, not some awesome meta-read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 18 2012 16:03 GMT
#2498
I've been trying to pull a townread out of Hapas filter as a start, but it isn't too easy.

What we know for sure is:

He was the first to vote VE.
His second next target would have been jay.
He didn't want to vote Djo.

I would expect from scum to look for another target to hang on in the meantime, but he only did something similar once, and it looked pretty transparent and townie.


On December 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I can't figure out a player that I'd feel comfortable switching onto.

Jay's reactions so far don't seem scummy. He's setting himself up to draw alot of attention to himself regardless of how VE flips. Even Z-Bo seems alright.

...and who else? Bluelightz? Seems like a coin-flip.


Why would he be the first to vote VE tho?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
December 18 2012 16:20 GMT
#2499
Ah, screw thrawn.
His interaction with Adam just looks too townie.
And if they just set it up to insure themselves for later, then it ended up in a massive fail for them.

No thrawn lynch anytime soon. But might have to look at the other play at some point.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
December 18 2012 16:30 GMT
#2500
@Vivax
Yea, totally not interested in thrawn at the moment.
Regarding Hapa, remember it was OK to vote VE because Palmar said so.
I'm really interested in jay right now. Post inc.
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