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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22294 Posts
December 18 2012 23:36 GMT
#2561
That's a lot of effort you're putting in there Hapa.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22294 Posts
December 18 2012 23:39 GMT
#2562
On December 12 2012 17:07 Hapahauli wrote:
EBWOP: Derp



greenVE - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel.
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam


Baaaaaaahhhhh.

He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.



Added in haste after you forgot to put it into your main analysis post which you refused to post after I asked.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=52#1021

I think I'll join other townies in voting you tomorrow.
Shoot me bitches.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 23:40 GMT
#2563
I'd like to think so.

There's not much I can add to Jay beyond what I've said here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=123#2449

As for Bluelightz, he's just a lurky/lazy player that's likely to flip red. No technical analysis required, just process of elimination.

The only other reasonable candidates are yourself, Z-Bo, and GRush. You seem like a stupid townie given your activity/rage/etc. Z-Bo got pushed by Jay+VE (I'll feel better about this if Jay flips red anywho). GRush seems town based on meta.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 23:41 GMT
#2564
On December 19 2012 08:39 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 17:07 Hapahauli wrote:
EBWOP: Derp



greenVE - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel.
On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam


Baaaaaaahhhhh.

He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.



Added in haste after you forgot to put it into your main analysis post which you refused to post after I asked.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=52#1021

I think I'll join other townies in voting you tomorrow.
Shoot me bitches.


So I thought VE was slightly townie like a bunch of other players in this game. That makes me scummy... how?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 18 2012 23:43 GMT
#2565
On December 19 2012 00:33 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2012 22:29 Djodref wrote:
Not to mention Jay's reaction to VE's claim. And the fact that jay is totally following Palmar on me but really not on VE.


Wait, you also did the same thing. As soon as day three cracked, you followed palmar on VE but not really on BLuelightz.
To whom your first reaction when prodded was "I can't believe I'm getting lynched over that guy" instead of "because I think he's scum"
To whom you are not even contemplating right now.
Oh Djoey, I'm still not liking you.
A bit of WIFOM, but I'm getting the feeling that VE was gambling on living as Cop and automatically making you look green as well. That's something he'd totally do.

From a townie perspective, why would you make a case on bluelightz right after you made yours on VE? I still can't understand this.


@ Z-Bo

Dear Z-Bo,

I'm not a sheep. Jaybrundage is.
I did present my own extensive case on VE before saying that Tunkeg, WBG and Palmar wanted also to lynch VE.
Regarding my case on BL, you have to understand this my perspective (town Djodref).
Let's imagine you are getting mislynched. You feel this as a great injustice.
And there is this other guy here, you don't really know if he is mafia or town, because, well, you can't.
He hasn't be pro-town, he cooperates on the lynches but yeah... by elimination, he totally could be mafia

How do you feel ? Don't you feel like, "how could my lynch be better for the town than the lynch of this guy" ?
At least I know I'm town... And I know I'm going to produce more than this guy
And the other people should realize this, and even if they have doubts about me, BL lynch was better than mine
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 18 2012 23:46 GMT
#2566
On December 19 2012 08:39 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 17:07 Hapahauli wrote:
EBWOP: Derp



greenVE - He hasn't done much, but his vote on Adam gave me a town feel.
On December 12 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Adam


Baaaaaaahhhhh.

He doesn't attempt to glorify it or justify it - he's candid about the whole thing, and that strikes me as town.



Added in haste after you forgot to put it into your main analysis post which you refused to post after I asked.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&currentpage=52#1021

I think I'll join other townies in voting you tomorrow.
Shoot me bitches.


Oh this is actually wrong btw. I did include VE in my original analysis post. I just mislabeled his name as "green" instead of "VE" for some derpy reason.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 18 2012 23:52 GMT
#2567
+ Show Spoiler [for reference] +
On December 19 2012 03:21 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 16:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I changed my mind. I think jaybrundage is scum.

On December 10 2012 10:29 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?

VE gimme your thoughts on thrash


After his first post on thrawn in which he says he’s suspicious, he asks my opinion of the matter. I gave it, and that’s the last that was heard about it. Why did he want my input? He never referenced anything I said, or even acknowledged that I said it. I believe that he was just trying to get someone to agree with him regarding thrawn.

On December 10 2012 10:37 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.

Dude... Its not whether we believe you. Your lying simple. Not a single persons believes your claim its about why are you lying. For no damn reason. And what purpose would town have to do that. It only makes sense from a mafia perspective


It really makes me uncomfortable when someone else speaks for me, and in this post jaybrundage is telling thrawn that I don’t believe his claim. I didn’t believe his claim, but because I thought his claim was a joke considering that the OP is explicit in the fact that millers are not self-aware. Therefor, I thought his claim was funny. But I certainly didn’t think he was LYING about his claim with any malicious intent. It doesn’t make sense for me to think that he thought that I would believe that claim based on what the OP says.

But jaybrundage is telling thrawn in no uncertain terms that I, VisceraEyes, think that he’s lying about his claim for no reason. And that’s not the case.

He then goes on to say that “...It only makes sense from a mafia perspective.” But that’s not true either is it? If thrawn is to be believed, he did it as a joke and to “spark discussion” and “ignite conversation” and such. Which, if he’s town, is a reasonable (if misguided) motivation.

On December 10 2012 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?


Ikr

Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it

Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video?


Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ?
What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ?


To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son

And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware.

So from

town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles

scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1.

Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom


I'm the first to vote in the voting thread
So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay...
I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not.

At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?

Hey Djo can you do us all a favor and type in your vote here when you decide to vote for someone one in the voting thread. It would help out alot and i rather not have to check it till the end of the day.


The thing that I don’t like about this post isn’t even that it’s self defeating in the fact that Djo had, in fact, voted in the game thread...which shows that he’s not only not reading the thread, but is closely watching the voting thread...the opposite of what he’d have you believe in the post quoted above. It’s not that. Look at what Djo is saying. He’s saying he believes thrawn was joking too, and is asking someone about their thoughts on anyone else.

So he’s ignored my response regarding thrawn. Now he’s insidiously trying to discredit Djo (calling out his not-really-ninja vote in the voting thread) rather than respond to his post requesting discussion outside of thrawn. It all starts to stink like scum pushing an agenda to me. Especially considering, in spite of all of this...

On December 11 2012 04:43 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:32 jaybrundage wrote:
On December 10 2012 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hey marv, you've explain why we shouldn't vote a bunch of people (thrawn, jay, palmar) but do you have any reasons we should vote a someone?

On December 10 2012 22:04 marvellosity wrote:
On jay, I'm ok on how he explained his 'slips'. My only worry with jay is that he comes across as overly... compliant?:

"Glad someone is reading my posts. I felt like i wasnt get any feedback from them."
"I do appreciate you giving your reasoning behind your claim. It helps me understand you a bit."

I don't particularly think much of it atm, was just weird when I was reading them. I would say it was indicative of the fact he didn't want to ruffle feathers, but he's not been afraid to put himself out there, so it isn't that.


His response reminds me of my own scum game. I showed no emotion that game, I just tried to remain logical and not to ruffle anyone's feathers, thinking that if I kept that up eventually people would stay away from me because I answered every question and reasoned away any doubt.

@ Jay

I read some of the stuff in your linked games, and yes you lyched town D1 but I never saw you say anything remotely close to "well I guess I should be more careful of early bandwagons". Not during any of the games and not in the pre-games or post-games either.

The thing is, you say you don't want to jump on an "easy bandwagon" this game, but you do. All you don't do is you haven't voted for thrawn, but he's the only person you've put pressure on. So why mention it? It's an easy way out.

It seems like common sense. If I get on easy bandwagons as town. Shouldn't i avoid em?

Im not you I don't find it necessary or needed to call people dumb or idiots like some players here do. It is it that unexpected to show some respect to people : /


I call people dumb or idiots?

So other than Thrawn, who is an easy bandwagon to you so should be avoided, who stands out as scummy?

I didnt mean you specifically but some people in TL mafia do. I actually am starting to lean more neutral on Thrawn. In my early mind set I just couldnt see someone misclaiming as a joke, or risk getting them selves lynched. Im a little worried about our lurkers.

And i would prefer to see more posts out of ZBoston. Specifically ZBoston what do you think about Claritys case on me and some people soft defending me.

Also MunkE has had like 3 posts since his /in and every single one of them is mostly about WBG statistic. Do we really have to nitpick over something like that. WBG was mostly trying to bait Palmar out. Lets hear your thoughts on some cases

On Vivax its odd. He seems really interested in going after Thrawns claim and saying that Ve defended it as a joke. When its not a joke. Even when thrawn said his self it was just a joke. That he stubbornly. Refused to explain to generate discussion. I think he is concentrating on thrawns little joke to much to the exclusion of everything else. I can see him being scum.

##Vote Vivax
(Because some people get SOOOOO antsy if you dont follow your argument with your vote.)


....HE TAKES IT ALL BACK ANYWAY! That's right, after the whole song and dance about being SOO FRUSTRATED with how he wasn't being paid attention to, and how his motivations only make sense from scum perspective, and in the face of people he has SPECIFICALLY asked their opinion of disagreeing with him, and EVERYTHING....he takes it all back anyway. Because thrawn said it was a joke and it was to generate discussion. Cool. Die.

##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: jaybrundage


I'm going to go reread Vivax now and see if I still think he's scum. This changes things, because I had intended to spend this time writing a case on Vivax...but after reading the votecount and realizing that this jayb wagon was for real, I thought I'd check into him first. I'm glad I did, but now jaybrundage is voting for Vivax as well. We'll see what a reread brings.

And ofc VE would of been completly willing to vote me to save his scum buddy.
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 09:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to vote jay over Adam.



lol

He never switched to you. Even when I tried to derail Adam's lynch...
VE was mafia, and he had to choose between mafia and mafia.

Don't defend yourself. Go scumhunt...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#2568
@ Vivax

We lynch jay tomorrow
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22294 Posts
December 19 2012 00:46 GMT
#2569
Hapa Hauli, als known as the scumdumpster

His train of thoughts



+ Show Spoiler +
On December 14 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Meh, I'm not feelin a VE lynch right now. His thing with clarity reads more as a misguided tunnel than something malicious.

Bluelightz on the other hand is ripe for some lynching. Lynch-bait or not, he's one of the few players in the game that hasn't given me any reason to think he's town. Tunkeg being the other, but I rather like that last longer post of his.



OH WELL I DON'T THINK VE IS SCUM.LET'S GET BL.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 14 2012 12:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2012 11:45 Djodref wrote:
I also think that Hapa could be buddying me because He spends more tiㄷ defending me than fi.ding scum.
But I still thi.k that my previous point for a town munke is valid.

Hapa, I appreciaye your read on me but I would like you to find scum.

Honestly I think that BL ahas the least cjances to flip scum among Bl Tu.keg and Ve.

Would you like to lynch VE today ?


I"ve made my reads really really clear. VE's giving me more of a dumb town vibe than malicious scum. I want to lynch Bluelightz, but Tunkeg is rapidly climbing my list and is a clear #2.


I'VE PROTECTED VE WITH ONE LINE OF WIFOM AND CAUSE HE'S MISGUIDED, SO I'VE MADE MY READ REALLY CLEAR.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 14 2012 12:31 Hapahauli wrote:
Whaddy'a thinking of VE at the
moment? Haven't seen you give a clear opinion on him

OH I DON'T THINK VE IS SCUM BUT LET'S ASK SOME OPINION ABOUT HIM.AFTER ALL I'VE MADE MY READS REALLY CLEAR.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2012 10:02 Hapahauli wrote:
I'd read dump, but I don't have much to add to what Palmar had said. I'm still much more hesitant on Djo however. VE will probably be my lynch target of choice if I'm alive.


OH AFTER PALMAR POSTED HIS READS I WILL OF COURSE VOTE VE, I'VE JUST BEEN SAYING HE'S TOWN FOREVER WITH <10 LINES OF ANALYSIS.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 17 2012 08:36 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding VE, he hasn't given me any sufficient reason to think he's town. He's my top scumread at the moment. As for Bluelightz, I came away from his "demotivated" conversation much the same as you did. Whiney, but townie. Or at the very least, more townie than VE.


OH EVERYTHING I POSTED EARLIER WAS JUST BULLSHIT. FORGIVE ME GUYS.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lynch him tomorrow. Especially if I die.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 19 2012 00:49 GMT
#2570
Hapa and jay are the scumteam

GG
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22294 Posts
December 19 2012 01:01 GMT
#2571
And you know what to do with marv at LYLO
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 19 2012 01:03 GMT
#2572
shitty crap fuck, i've been playing irc mafia. just got shot as jester :< when's deadline??
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 19 2012 01:04 GMT
#2573
few min ago i believe
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 19 2012 01:07 GMT
#2574
is it bad form to post now?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18262 Posts
December 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#2575
Errr... I was expecting Hiro to do it. I'll cobble something up. Please stop posting.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 19 2012 01:09 GMT
#2576
yeah i'm just gonna not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18262 Posts
December 19 2012 01:13 GMT
#2577
Day 4


This guy:

[image loading]



did nothing. Everybody, to their immense surprise, woke up with all their limbs still attached.


It is now day 4. The day will last for 48 hours until 01:00 GMT (+00:00). With 9 people alive it takes 5 to lynch.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 19 2012 01:14 GMT
#2578
o.0
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22294 Posts
December 19 2012 01:15 GMT
#2579
LOL WTF
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
December 19 2012 01:17 GMT
#2580
wow

cool

Time to concede ?

##Vote jay
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