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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I already explained at the time how I interpreted jay's actions around the lynch events. I could understand, sort of, it being a townie going full-on dumb mode, but combined the rest of his play the answer should be clear. Especially as I'm considering Djo as town now (I presume I'm right), jay basically just clung on to Palmar's read and didn't let it go. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:21 Vivax wrote: Why does this lynch suddenly make Djo less scummy for you?Cause 1 of his 3 cases was about VE? You forgive every mistake he's done in the past cause he started posting with a gun at his head? No. It's because he tried to scumhunt. On the gallows or not, he went above and beyond what anyone could have expected him to do. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
They did the fucking same thing with two different mafia. Just that Djo didn't even bother writing his reasons. Jay instead tried to convince us with his WIFOMath. Jay at least is being honest about it, Djo lied to Palmar. I realize however, that Djos posting style resembles more that of a town, but mainly cause he isn't/doesn't look like the most clumsy player in here. Anyway, I didn't even want to hear your opinions, I've already heard Hapas', and marv being mostly wrong in his pushes at this game rubs me wrong anyway. I want to hear something about this lurky guy avoiding my questions, grushiboi. You don't?Prefer him to remain like that? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Lynched Adam on Day 1, Tunkeg on Day 2, lynched VE on day 3? How is this 'mostly wrong'? get lost, Vivax. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
And ASIDE from that, those weren't lynches you pushed marvy, you joined them at convenient times. Anyway, I'm not gonna get dragged onto the sublevel of discussion you use to start flaming and disrupt discussion whenever someone questions you. If town is remotely intelligent you'll get lynched at LYLO if not earlier. And you seem to be so confident about the people that are hard to read to be town (BL, grush) when no one else is. Guess which team that behaviour favours, when such players aren't forced to post more. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
how is 2/3 scum lynches "mostly wrong"? And yes, I'm better than any of you at reading people like grush or Bluelightz. That's your failure as a player and my ability. Sorry for being good bro If you're going to call me "mostly wrong" don't expect me to sit there and then start preaching at me for arguing with you. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
I love you marv, let's be friends. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Also, how did Jay behave differently from Djo @ the lynch, except that Djo lied to Palmar? Essentially, what I wrote up there. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:48 Vivax wrote: There are a dozen of reasons on the previous pages on why grush could be what he might be, do you care commenting on them? Also, how did Jay behave differently from Djo @ the lynch, except that Djo lied to Palmar? Essentially, what I wrote up there. Look at the rest of the play. People's actions can, mostly, be scummy or townie in any context. How did Djodref play day 3? He spent fuckloads of time making scumreads and cases and being active and pushing people. I can't be 100% he's town for reasons you mention, but I'm somewhat confident he is at this point. How did jaybrundage play day 3? He kept pushing Djo without being able to come up properly with reasons he was scum and parrotting Palmar. These two things are not the same. With regards to grush, good luck trying to make sense of him from a rational perspective. Has he gone back on himself for seemingly no reason? Certainly. I'd be surprised if grush did NOT do that. grush, in his way, seems interested in town and where it's going, and at some points has bothered having thoughts of his own (I remember quoting one and saying I agreed with plenty it said). A scum grush doesn't bother doing any of these things. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:48 Vivax wrote: There are a dozen of reasons on the previous pages on why grush could be what he might be, do you care commenting on them? Also, how did Jay behave differently from Djo @ the lynch, except that Djo lied to Palmar? Essentially, what I wrote up there. The difference isn't what they did during one lynch. It's what they did other than that. Jay's done much less compared to what Djo has done. Their filters are night and day in terms of effort, content, and most importantly in actions towards VE. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Here is grush's scum filter in LVI: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=165092 if you can't see the considerable difference, run around your house naked 3 times, then compare again. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
What do you think the likelihood is that VE tried to bus Z-Bo? You're more familiar with VE's scum antics than I am, but the persistance with which VE tried to get Boson killed makes it seem unlikely. There's Jay pushing him as well. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: How did Djodref play day 3? He spent fuckloads of time making scumreads and cases and being active and pushing people. I can't be 100% he's town for reasons you mention, but I'm somewhat confident he is at this point. He did it with the gun at his head, and you're utterly ignoring his previous actions in your argumentation. As I already stated, he's been flirting with other lynches while the VE push was gaining traction, so I don't take for granted that his VE case was genuine. And honestly, some of his cases contained imprecisions or bad arguments. One of these I replied to, he didn't respond to. On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: How did jaybrundage play day 3? He kept pushing Djo without being able to come up properly with reasons he was scum and parrotting Palmar. That reminds me strongly of someone: On December 16 2012 09:30 marvellosity wrote: Djodref - This is probably the guy you gotta hang tomorrow. After jay I've spent the most time on him and it seems like I've been finding excuses to call him town, because I like the guy :/ Palmar has said quite enough on why Djo should be lynched, and I can't actually disagree with anything he says, except for finding reasons not to lynch him. there are simply too many facets of his play that point to a scum agenda, most notably his day 1 actions regarding the adam lynch, his passive-aggressive way of dealing with Z-Bo, and his flat-out lie about his adam-debears interactions. So, by your logic, you are at least as guilty of being as scummy as jay in this regard? On December 19 2012 07:53 marvellosity wrote: A scum grush doesn't bother doing any of these things. Really? You would so easily be fooled by such undefined meta? I can't believe you could be so bad, so I don't believe you're town. Take it as a compliment. YOU SHALL HAVE YOUR NECK STRETCHED MARV. I WANT TO CHOMP ON YOUR EARS AND SCREAM JIBBERISH | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
"I can't believe you could be so bad" you say. That's because I'm not, that's because I'm better than you but you're too stupid to grasp it. I can't help this. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
meta is about broad brush ideas, concepts, attitudes. Meta is not about whether someone came into a thread asking certain questions, he writes these words as mafia/town. Meta reads I give are usually "he is less invested" or "the tone of his posts are this" or in the case of grush here, like I already said, his attitude, approach and contributions towards the game all point towards him being town. It's very simple, do try to grasp it. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Also, are you able to link me your last post where you've been analysing someone? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 19 2012 08:30 Vivax wrote: Hapa, who are you going to lynch tomorrow? Also, are you able to link me your last post where you've been analysing someone? Jay. I've made that pretty clear in my filter. The only scumteam that makes sense to me right now is Jay/BL. Maaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyybe Z-Boson or GRush, but I highly doubt it. | ||
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