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GOGOGOGOGO Town!!
@SS
Before I begin, I want to question how you can praise Ange (when she even took inspiration from GK, so if you're looking for the first suspicion D3 against Zork, its GK) for her case + call her confirmed townie and condemn me for "leading a hit squad that almost forced a no-lynch"? You're making me sad TT... Also, the fact that so many people are convinced that scum wouldn't bus one of their one at this point means that it was probably the best play for them, regardless of what really happened. I'm not willing to dismiss any sort of bussing yet.
Moving on, I come to back to my case against Alan.
Once again, Alan does one of his massive posts where he soft-defends two players and "pushes" the third. The third in this case was Prom. Interestingly, Alan picks up the "emotion" post that I said seemed contrived and used it as a way to meta-soft-defend Zork. Keir picked up on this post too, and he's flipped town, so this isn't a definite case, but the anecdote from the previous game is exactly the kind of non-stated psychological manipulations I've been looking for in scum. It isn't anything you can argue with, but it's something that begs to be sympathized with. Also, scum who contrive posts to exude "good townie frustration" would likely want their scumbuddies to follow through and say that frustration is a townie trait, but this is getting into the realm of WIFOM. I see this as motivated by scum goals, as it isn't anything that can come back to bite him in the ass until Zork flips, defends scum, and it doesn't help hunt scum.
Another thing that struck me as scummy about his play is his attempt to simultaneously jump on my bandwagon and OMGUS me. He claims that it was not purely an OMGUS, but he voted me before posting any analysis. He sticks to his vote for me based on my not defending myself from his case, + Show Spoiler [I digress] +Just as an aside, If I had defended myself by picking apart every line of every accusation posted against me, I'd never have done anything but defend myself, which wouldn't have helped town. Instead I defended myself against the two main cases, and since there were basically no counter-arguments, and then hunted and found scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:I just came back from working after hours.
@MordanisI am disappointed. No one ever look at any case I wrote. Are they that bad? Am I being ignored? No. Not even Mordanis feels he needs to waste his energy posting a defence. Do you think it suck so bad it does not even matter, or you are just ignoring it, like how you have been ignoring other people's case on you, for being widely inactive, and over-apologetic. Why was MY post never taken seriously all the time? Do I suck that bad? Why are you ignoring my defence on your case against me? Did you just randomly pick two players and attack them? Once one of them sparked a Zorkmid bandwagon you totally forgotten about me? Do I still deserve my FOS or not? Did my defence cleared myself out of doubt or not? Why are you playing in such a way? You started the first ever case, and lingers on it despite you're calling yourself "trying to spark the scumhunt?" Why do you switch to Golbat, Shady and Golbat again? Are you desperate to hunt scum, or are you desperate to lead spark a mislynch?
@AngeYes. I saw your case on Zork. I don't see the OBVIOUS SCUM SLIP. Your arguments on him was that he is wishy-washy, never built a real case himself, which yourself suggested that it satisfies a whole lot of players in this particular game. Then you jumped to OMG I MISSED SCUM SLIP. I failed to understand how speaking from a thrid-person's PoV imply you aren't part of that person's circle? SO you are also suggesting Mordanis must not be scum because he is speaking from a thrid-person's PoV every single time he talk about scum's possible motivation? + Show Spoiler +I can't believe I missed that TOWN SLIP!
@ZorkmidWhat the heck is your game? Where the fuck did you go? Why did you go out and posted that "SCUM SLIP"? Why are you making such a big deal about a stupid relief post? Why do reading your filter makes me want to vote for you so bloody much?Why did you sheep? Why were your cases a rehash of everyone else's case? Where is your own reads? You and all the lurkers are all hurting town, or is being INCREDIBLY LAZY SCUMS.
@JingleHell+ Show Spoiler +What the hell? What's up with that most painfully narrow tunnel I have ever seen? Why do you make me regret saying I adore your play? How does: - suggesting you to post more reads because you are new and might open more perspective to town
- proceed to post another case on people HE ALREADY HAVE HIS FOS ON
- OH WAIT! HIS CASE HAS THE SAME AS MY TARGET!!! I DON'T GET IT!!!
Why do he needs to explain a townie motive? How do you explain one? What motive could he have, at all. How about, give me a townie motive for tunnelling and voting on such a ridiculous case? I don't see a townie motive. Mind explaining yourself? I suggest you drop your case on Ange, and votes one of the candidates here instead, as it is very possible that there is a SCUM in here. + Show Spoiler +Oh wait I need to explain a townie motivation. How about REDUCING THE RISK OF GETTING A NO LYNCH?. In all seriousness, mind posting something that is other than: + Show Spoiler +Target's latest defence against No! You did not explain a town motive! I vote you ##v0t3 example1over a thousand times?
Alan: Why were you angry at Zork for playing scummily?
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@Shady:
I'm happy to see you came back to life before the voting deadline  .
One "policy issue" I feel still needs to be addressed is if you get shot tonight who should take over as "town leader." I will not contribute any opinion as to who this should be. It's completely up to you. But to keep our votes coordinated I feel having a townie ready to take on your leadership role will be vital to our success. Assuming that no one is saved tonight, we have 8 people tomorrow, and 6 town. We still need 5/6 town to secure a majority vote, so there still isn't much margin for error.
I won't be writing up a complete case right now, but I would like to touch up on a few points on a few people on my suspect list.
JingleHell:
JingleHell has been someone I've considered as possible scum for a while now. Much of my read was originally based off his voting stances day 3. But most of his recent posts also feel scummy to me. Many strong points have been brought up by both Shady and Ange. But additionally:
First, a few points about JingleHell:
Discussing his defense:
On August 04 2012 07:48 JingleHell wrote:
My primary defense will be that I'm a much worse target than Alan. Given that I'm under suspicion for some rather paltry WIFOM based on one of a couple of things.
1: When I ask people why they said something, they repeat it, and OMGUS me.
2: I came in looking at people who weren't the major targets, which, ironically, people wanted me to do.
So the issue I have here is that his main defense is... he feels Alan looks worse than him. Instead of trying to help us understand how his actions could fit those of a town, he tries to redirect our attention to another suspect.
And let's not forget how ficke he's been.
In voting, he's gone from Ange-->me-->Mord.-->Zork (only after obvious fake doctor claim)
Now he suspects Alan, and takes that to be his main defense.
And seldom does he ever go back to those he's discussed prior. He seems content to move on and point fingers at different people. In fact, ironically, the guy he's not talking at all about anymore is the guy he would have voted for had Zork. not obviously scumslipped last-minute. And Jingle has in fact never actually developed a case of any kind for said guy (Mord.).
And then there's this part:
"I came in looking at people who weren't the major targets, which, ironically, people wanted me to do."
I don't recall anyone encouraging Jingle to look at people who weren't major targets. His job, if he is town, is to FIND SCUM. And that's it. Anything else simply isn't helping town.
His defense of Zork was something along the lines of "thought he was smoking something good." In other words, he tells us nothing of what could have motivated Zork as town to behave as he has, but inexplicably handwaves the entire issue even though Zork's the only other lynch candidate with major support on day 3...
So, to summarize my current thoughts on Jingle:
As Shady and Ange have brought up, several things have made Jingle look scummy. Included here are my own additional scum-reads on him. Combined with his suspicious voting pattern on day 3, I agree with Shady and Ange that Jingle is a good choice for lynching on Day 4.
Regarding aRyuujin:
I have already brought up a case on him that others can reference and read. One more point to add:
Was I the only one who found it suspicious that he was able to conveniently change his vote to Zork when there was only three hours between Zork's fake doctor claim and the deadline? I still believe that aRyuujin's lurking is in fact deliberate. This is part of my case against him, and one of the reasons I feel that he is scum.
There are two other suspects whose filters I need to look into. I have not come to any conclusions yet as to their guilt or innocence, but will be looking into them for:
alan: for sticking to the Mord. bandwaggon until last minute.
Darthpunk: for tunneling on Mord. hard, to the exclusion of discussing much else. There is more than one scum in this game, so I found his obsession with Mord. a little suspicious. He is my top suspect if indeed a scum was involved in a bussing. I will be looking into his filter further.
Just to make my current stance clear (if it wasn't clear already): Right now, I am strongly behind lynching both JingleHell and aRyuujin.
@Mord.: Yes, a bus is possible. While I still feel this is unlikely, I'm glad that someone has brought it up. I feel the bottom line here is that "scum-reads" are just as important as ever, and we cannot rely too heavily on the voting pattern of Day 3 (though it's still important to consider).
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I'm going to try and get this concept through people's skulls one more time. My reasoning for suspecting Ange was not for any specific thing he said. It was for the timing of asking me to post cases on people besides Shady, followed by immediately adding evidence to the case against Shady.
It looked like an effort to give me a confirmation bias.
I was asking about motives. Not about semantics. (Granted, semantics seems to be the only thing you people understand)
This is the last time I attempt to defend that. At this point, any townies who aren't sheeping on scum have a healthy dose of their own confirmation bias, so I feel no need to continue arguing with a brick wall.
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On August 04 2012 22:44 JingleHell wrote:
I'm going to try and get this concept through people's skulls one more time. My reasoning for suspecting Ange was not for any specific thing he said. It was for the timing of asking me to post cases on people besides Shady, followed by immediately adding evidence to the case against Shady.
It looked like an effort to give me a confirmation bias.
I was asking about motives. Not about semantics. (Granted, semantics seems to be the only thing you people understand)
When I asked you for your reads, you had just posted the following:
On August 02 2012 02:55 JingleHell wrote:
This inactivity is ridiculous, people. Post. Lurking town = free scum win, so POST. Create opportunity.
This was after you had posted your one read on Shady. One single read. I guess in your opinion it is not approriate for town to ask you to stick to your own advice: Create opportunities.
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@DarthPunk, aRyuujin, alan: Where have you guys gone? There has been cases and suspicions on you and I sincerely hope that you will come back before deadline to defend yourselves! Even if we have night right now, it does not prevent you from proving that you are indeed playing for town!
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Hey guys just got back. I have been out all day. It is now 1am and as I went to bed at 5 30am i am really tired. so i won't read through or post til tomorrow.
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One more day of volunteer work and then I'm back with you all tomorrow (afternoon my time, Sunday). Nice job coming together on the vote! Sorry for not being here to chat during the night cycle, this should be my last extended absence for the remainder of this game.
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@Ange
I am in the middle of writing a defence on Mordanis, in fact I started an hour ago, gimme a sec.
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United States4021 Posts
On August 04 2012 19:36 Mordanis wrote:
GOGOGOGOGO Town!!
@SS
Before I begin, I want to question how you can praise Ange (when she even took inspiration from GK, so if you're looking for the first suspicion D3 against Zork, its GK) for her case + call her confirmed townie and condemn me for "leading a hit squad that almost forced a no-lynch"? You're making me sad TT... Also, the fact that so many people are convinced that scum wouldn't bus one of their one at this point means that it was probably the best play for them, regardless of what really happened. I'm not willing to dismiss any sort of bussing yet.
The phrase "Mordanis hit squad" referred to the hit squad that was targetted at you.
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@goodkarma: We don't need a "town leader". We are currently at Night 3 and everyone of us should have some decent scum and town reads on the others. If everyone just steps up their activity we can lynch both remaining scum.
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@alan: Your defense post better be overwhelmingly good ... it took you at least two hours already.
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@Mordanis
+ Show Spoiler +On August 04 2012 19:36 Mordanis wrote:GOGOGOGOGO Town!! @SS Before I begin, I want to question how you can praise Ange (when she even took inspiration from GK, so if you're looking for the first suspicion D3 against Zork, its GK) for her case + call her confirmed townie and condemn me for "leading a hit squad that almost forced a no-lynch"? You're making me sad TT... Also, the fact that so many people are convinced that scum wouldn't bus one of their one at this point means that it was probably the best play for them, regardless of what really happened. I'm not willing to dismiss any sort of bussing yet. Moving on, I come to back to my case against Alan. Once again, Alan does one of his massive posts where he soft-defends two players and "pushes" the third. The third in this case was Prom. Interestingly, Alan picks up the "emotion" post that I said seemed contrived and used it as a way to meta-soft-defend Zork. Keir picked up on this post too, and he's flipped town, so this isn't a definite case, but the anecdote from the previous game is exactly the kind of non-stated psychological manipulations I've been looking for in scum. It isn't anything you can argue with, but it's something that begs to be sympathized with. Also, scum who contrive posts to exude "good townie frustration" would likely want their scumbuddies to follow through and say that frustration is a townie trait, but this is getting into the realm of WIFOM. I see this as motivated by scum goals, as it isn't anything that can come back to bite him in the ass until Zork flips, defends scum, and it doesn't help hunt scum. Another thing that struck me as scummy about his play is his attempt to simultaneously jump on my bandwagon and OMGUS me. He claims that it was not purely an OMGUS, but he voted me before posting any analysis. He sticks to his vote for me based on my not defending myself from his case, + Show Spoiler [I digress] +Just as an aside, If I had defended myself by picking apart every line of every accusation posted against me, I'd never have done anything but defend myself, which wouldn't have helped town. Instead I defended myself against the two main cases, and since there were basically no counter-arguments, and then hunted and found scum. and lashing out against my ignoring of his case while ignoring my defenses. It seems like an attempt to start a bandwagon on me as early as possible. His case against me is basically that my play changed D2. There's also a thing about how I assume in my posts that I'm not scum. I have no idea how he can be so certain that I'll flip red based on such small reads. He never even said why my change in play D2/N2 was scummy, just took it to be assumed. Which brings me to Alan's next post. + Show Spoiler +On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:I just came back from working after hours.
@MordanisI am disappointed. No one ever look at any case I wrote. Are they that bad? Am I being ignored? No. Not even Mordanis feels he needs to waste his energy posting a defence. Do you think it suck so bad it does not even matter, or you are just ignoring it, like how you have been ignoring other people's case on you, for being widely inactive, and over-apologetic. Why was MY post never taken seriously all the time? Do I suck that bad? Why are you ignoring my defence on your case against me? Did you just randomly pick two players and attack them? Once one of them sparked a Zorkmid bandwagon you totally forgotten about me? Do I still deserve my FOS or not? Did my defence cleared myself out of doubt or not? Why are you playing in such a way? You started the first ever case, and lingers on it despite you're calling yourself "trying to spark the scumhunt?" Why do you switch to Golbat, Shady and Golbat again? Are you desperate to hunt scum, or are you desperate to lead spark a mislynch?
@AngeYes. I saw your case on Zork. I don't see the OBVIOUS SCUM SLIP. Your arguments on him was that he is wishy-washy, never built a real case himself, which yourself suggested that it satisfies a whole lot of players in this particular game. Then you jumped to OMG I MISSED SCUM SLIP. I failed to understand how speaking from a thrid-person's PoV imply you aren't part of that person's circle? SO you are also suggesting Mordanis must not be scum because he is speaking from a thrid-person's PoV every single time he talk about scum's possible motivation? + Show Spoiler +I can't believe I missed that TOWN SLIP!
@ZorkmidWhat the heck is your game? Where the fuck did you go? Why did you go out and posted that "SCUM SLIP"? Why are you making such a big deal about a stupid relief post? Why do reading your filter makes me want to vote for you so bloody much?Why did you sheep? Why were your cases a rehash of everyone else's case? Where is your own reads? You and all the lurkers are all hurting town, or is being INCREDIBLY LAZY SCUMS.
@JingleHell+ Show Spoiler +What the hell? What's up with that most painfully narrow tunnel I have ever seen? Why do you make me regret saying I adore your play? How does: - suggesting you to post more reads because you are new and might open more perspective to town
- proceed to post another case on people HE ALREADY HAVE HIS FOS ON
- OH WAIT! HIS CASE HAS THE SAME AS MY TARGET!!! I DON'T GET IT!!!
Why do he needs to explain a townie motive? How do you explain one? What motive could he have, at all. How about, give me a townie motive for tunnelling and voting on such a ridiculous case? I don't see a townie motive. Mind explaining yourself? I suggest you drop your case on Ange, and votes one of the candidates here instead, as it is very possible that there is a SCUM in here. + Show Spoiler +Oh wait I need to explain a townie motivation. How about REDUCING THE RISK OF GETTING A NO LYNCH?. In all seriousness, mind posting something that is other than: + Show Spoiler +Target's latest defence against No! You did not explain a town motive! I vote you ##v0t3 example1over a thousand times? Note the part on Zork. Why would a townie be angry at another player for scum-slipping? Why would a townie be angry about any player being scummy? Finding scummy things are good for town, that's how we determine whom to lynch. This post implies that you're really against Zork dying, which you should only be if you are convinced that player is town. And yet his only mention of Zork since N1 was his soft-defense post. How "I'm not a fan of Zork's play, but his style is similar to my own one time..." turns into apparent conviction that Zork is town and is being bandwagoned for bad townie play is beyond me. The anger in this would be sort of justified if they had played together in the past, or even known each other, but this is not the case, unless Alan is a smurf. Alan: Why were you angry at Zork for playing scummily?
I will address a few points:
Why I am angry at Zork
Before that, I was coming back from a bad day, so it might affect to the tone of that post. I got mad because the post I took hours of effort to write up, ended up being ignored. I was generally mad in that post, and not only to Zork. I was also generally referring to other lurkers, instead of just Zork.
I was not mad of Zork's for posting the "scum slip", but rather, my intentions is to pressure Zork to explain his "making a big fuss out of a stupid post". I still believe Mordanis was scum and I thought he was capitalizing on Zork's bad play to get away from yet, another lynch. All I could say is I am wrong.
However, re-reading that part myself, it seems like it could be interpreted to "scum alan getting mad at his scum buddy Zork for playing badly." This certainly looks like it fits scum motive, but I certainly hope you look past that. I can only say I was fairly certain of my own reads, which is unfortunately, wrong.
Why I voted you before writing a case
My post writing is slow. I am usually free 6 hours before the deadline, and then it takes me 2-3 hours just to write one case, which always ended up short with all the spoilers. Someone mentioned "post a FOS as early as you can so we know your intentions". I agreed, and posted the "summary" there based on my impression at that time, accompanied by my vote.
Why the bring out 3 case, defend the other 2, vote for one.
Most of the 3 case I brought up was people being discussed. I weight their "townieness" and "scumminess" accordingly and make the best vote.
No contribution in Scumhunt
That is depressing. As much as I want to say something about it, all my targets flipped townie, or is confirmed townie, or is "kinda" confirmed townie, and I even defended one scum. All I can say is that I am either unlucky, or my scumhunting ability is just bad. I am relying my reads on the previous game, but unfortunately it does not help here. I know where these FoS are coming from, so all I can now do for town is to avoid a mislynch on myself.
2nd and 3rd scum
@aRyu
I went through aRyu's filter and found out there is not much to draw conclusion from, other than missing out day 2 entirely.
Promethelax seems to like him:
aR reminds me of some really great townie players who have given themselves posting limitations (Foolishness in Aperature and Mattchew in the first MTG) if he can convey his reads and everything else in Haiku more power to him. His play thus far is slightly green to me but not far from null.
However, the posting limitation he put himself is a bit "too much".
He votes for Golbat day 1 and Mordanis switch Zork day 3. Where Golbat and Mordanis votes accompanied with a case.
@Jingle
Jingle doesn't exist until night 2. Before that there is MrMedic, and other than his post-lynch analysis/vote, there is I can't do a read on.
We all knows about Jingle's tunnelling on Ange. I am not going to repeat the case here, many people has made a case based on that already.
However, as annoying as his tunnelling is, it fits his meta from XXI, where he is a townie.
That is, unfortunately, all I am able to gather from these two other potential day-4 lynch, at least for now.
It is 1 am here, spent hours writing this. I highly doubt I will get NK'ed, so I will respond tomorrow if any more case on me.
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EBWOP:
@Jingle
Jingle doesn't exist until night 2. Before that there is MrMedic, and other than his post-lynch analysis/vote, there is I can't do a read on. nothing much there that I can draw a significant read
@Ange
Yes, that is how long it takes me to write a post. Unfortunately it was a defence post with minimum scum hunting.
I am going to bed now, night.
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EBWOP-2:
@Jingle
Jingle doesn't exist until night 2. Before that there is MrMedic, and other than his post-lynch analysis/vote, there is I can't do a read on. nothing else.
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@alan: So you are saying that tunneling other players without a solid case is Jingle's town meta? I have a hard time believing that ...
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EBWOP: If it indeed was his town meta, than I suppose it would not be far fetched to at least see him tunnel someone else right now? And yet when I see his case on you and compare it with him endlessly tunneling me I feel there is a huge huge difference.
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On August 05 2012 01:42 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 19:36 Mordanis wrote:
GOGOGOGOGO Town!!
@SS
Before I begin, I want to question how you can praise Ange (when she even took inspiration from GK, so if you're looking for the first suspicion D3 against Zork, its GK) for her case + call her confirmed townie and condemn me for "leading a hit squad that almost forced a no-lynch"? You're making me sad TT... Also, the fact that so many people are convinced that scum wouldn't bus one of their one at this point means that it was probably the best play for them, regardless of what really happened. I'm not willing to dismiss any sort of bussing yet.
The phrase "Mordanis hit squad" referred to the hit squad that was targetted at you.
Oh.
I feel silly now. My bad :D
@ Alan: + Show Spoiler [Out of Game] +Being wrong in your first mini isn't a big deal. Scum-hunting is a skill like anything else, you acquire it through practice and experience. Don't beat yourself up for being wrong. Learn. I've been wrong on pretty much all of my reads except Zork and I've played as town and scum before ^^
Anyways, I really need to read through again to analyze how the voting went, as I'm kind of confused by it right now.
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United States4021 Posts
JingleHell is even more guilty. Here's why.
1) Scum need to look like they're trying to catch scum.
On August 04 2012 06:43 JingleHell wrote:
You are, in fact, aware it's night, yes shady? If you actually think that's what happened, feel free to lead a mislynch on me and feel like an idiot for discounting what I just contributed against GK and alan. I was asked to replace in, for some unknown reason, and frankly I think Marv would have done better to mercymod-kill, given the sheeping levels in this game.
A town like this losing faster would be a huge improvement over subjecting a replacement to it.
2) Scum make up excuses to claim that they found someone suspicious. These excuses can be found using common sense.
+ Show Spoiler [JH's "case" on Alan] +On August 04 2012 06:07 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:35 alan133 wrote:
@Zorkmid
What the heck is your game? Where the fuck did you go? Why did you go out and posted that "SCUM SLIP"? Why are you making such a big deal about a stupid relief post? Why do reading your filter makes me want to vote for you so bloody much?
Why did you sheep? Why were your cases a rehash of everyone else's case? Where is your own reads? You and all the lurkers are all hurting town, or is being INCREDIBLY LAZY SCUMS.
This came 5 hours before your vote. I voted late too, but I wasn't sold until the pathetic fakeclaim. You wanted to vote for him so bloody much but waited 5 hours anyway. On August 04 2012 07:41 JingleHell wrote:Also, look through Zorkmid's filter. If you'll notice, there's one person who swapped even later than I did, who even I suspect, who Zorkmid NEVER seemed to be interested in, despite this player being in the game the whole time. That's Alan. Alan starts by wanting to discuss tons of policy. LinkHuge WIFOM, no commitment. LinkWishy Washy on Golbat, creates distance from a mislynch. LinkDefends Zork lightly. LinkKisses up a little, and references a game where out of several cases made, I only had a 50% scum lynch record. LinkOMGUS against Mord LinkIf you really think I'm the next best lynch, well... I'm probably not. I switched at a point where there was no way to avoid suspicion. Please don't make a case revolve around that, as it leads towards confirmation bias.
Alan is saying things which are perfectly townish which JingleHell is trying to twist into scummy play. Yes, Alan switched to Zork after the fakeclaim. But he didn't use the fakeclaim as the excuse for the switch. That's the scumslip we're focusing on.
The only accusation that is logically consistent here is that Alan is WIFOM-y. At this point half the town is WIFOM-y. It's not good to lynch based on that alone.
3) Scum try to look suspicious of someone that is in no danger of being lynched so they are uninvolved with the lynch of a townie.
See this part of the quote above:
Also, look through Zorkmid's filter. If you'll notice, there's one person who swapped even later than I did, who even I suspect, who Zorkmid NEVER seemed to be interested in, despite this player being in the game the whole time. That's Alan.
And this (note how GK only had 1 vote on him at this point):
On August 04 2012 01:07 JingleHell wrote:
Ok, trying to say "You're next because you don't agree with me", when there's not some sort of rock solid evidence...
You're right, I've been too stubborn. People aren't ready to vote for Ange.
##Unvote
##Vote GK
You seem awfully convinced that certain people are scum based on flips that haven't happened, and that's kind of an obvious slip.
4) Scum acknowledges the logical conclusions of others, but discounts them using ad hominems or indirect arguments.
On August 04 2012 22:44 JingleHell wrote:
I'm going to try and get this concept through people's skulls one more time. My reasoning for suspecting Ange was not for any specific thing he said. It was for the timing of asking me to post cases on people besides Shady, followed by immediately adding evidence to the case against Shady.
It looked like an effort to give me a confirmation bias.
I was asking about motives. Not about semantics. (Granted, semantics seems to be the only thing you people understand)
This is the last time I attempt to defend that. At this point, any townies who aren't sheeping on scum have a healthy dose of their own confirmation bias, so I feel no need to continue arguing with a brick wall.
I switched at a point where there was no way to avoid suspicion. Please don't make a case revolve around that, as it leads towards confirmation bias.
5) If a scum player is about to be lynched and other scum know it, the other scum will try to distance themselves from that player.
+ Show Spoiler [JingleHell's posts on Zork] +On August 04 2012 03:53 JingleHell wrote:
Yeah, this is weak as hell, Zork. Show me a real breadcrumb. Something specific, not some Da Vinci Code shit.
If that's a town play, it's a bad town play.
##Unvote
##Vote Zorkmid
If you can't show a real breadcrumb for the N1 save, this is just desperation. On August 04 2012 04:06 JingleHell wrote:
Well, it could be an anagram for a word in a different language, then if we apply some advanced numerology, eat some peyote, and go on a vision quest, we can discern that his "breadcrumb" actually doesn't mean a damn thing. On August 04 2012 04:11 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:10 alan133 wrote:It did not make much sense... Let me fix that for you. ActIvity seeMs woefully slow. I guess that Most of you Are on diFferent clocks that I Am. Done. ##Unvote: Mordanis
##Vote: Zorkmid Lol. That one does, sadly, make more sense. And illustrates the hilarity. On August 04 2012 04:16 JingleHell wrote:
So much for my tactic of assuming that the guy who sounds like he's smoking some good shit is actually town. But I can't imagine a good townie reason to fakeclaim.
Although it is an excellent way to insult the IQ of the entire town?
No one else does all this. Only JH. JH is the loud scum who has enough wiggle room to play loud because he was a D2 replacement. Lynch him.
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Actually, I'd look scummy no matter what because I wasn't NKed as a replacement. Given that there's literally no way to post without it being possible to WIFOM it into being scummy, and you're operating based on confirmation bias, instead of reading what I've said objectively, I'm just going to watch the flock fail hard.
Post something that isn't some convoluted acid trip that there's no way to defend against, and I'll post a defense.
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I'm going to repeat point #4 from my post above:
4) Scum acknowledges the logical conclusions of others, but discounts them using ad hominems or indirect arguments.
Now I'm going to repeat what JingleHell just posted in response:
On August 05 2012 04:53 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, I'd look scummy no matter what because I wasn't NKed as a replacement. Given that there's literally no way to post without it being possible to WIFOM it into being scummy, and you're operating based on confirmation bias, instead of reading what I've said objectively, I'm just going to watch the flock fail hard.
Post something that isn't some convoluted acid trip that there's no way to defend against, and I'll post a defense.
This is as close as it gets without the mod telling us.
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EPT
