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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
I'm leaving the game 6 ft under in a coffin. At first the scum seemed to have a W16 under their bonnet, But town has proved to have the intellectual power of a boffin. At first things seemed so grim, but now they are so so bright! So fill with hope your hearts to the brim if you're town; If you're scum, your hope should be slight. You're all so incredibly smart, Scum have no chance of taking this game. Town: you can get this game for $4.99 at KMart, Scum, for you I can't say the same. Though I must leave you all now, take courage For I will be with you in spirit always. And eat your porridge. + Show Spoiler + I've been given permission to point out that the rhyme scheme is abab cdcd efef gg | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 05 2012 06:24 Mordanis wrote: I began the JINGLE game by writing a sonnet, I'm leaving the game 6 ft under in a coffin. At first the scum seemed to have a W16 under their bonnet, But town has proved to have the intellectual power of a boffin. At first things seemed so grim HELL, but now they are so so bright! So fill with hope your hearts to the brim if you're town; If you're scum, your hope should be slight. You're all so IS incredibly smart, Scum have no chance of taking this game. Town: you can get this game for $4.99 at KMart, Scum, for you I can't say the same. Though I must leave you all now, take courage For I will be with you in spirit always. And eat your porridge. SCUM + Show Spoiler + I've been given permission to point out that the rhyme scheme is abab cdcd efef gg Guys, Mordanis was breadcrumbing us the whole time. After Zork tipped us off to this steganographic technique, I have found a clue. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
Maybe scum was trying to kill the medic instead of WIFOMing who the medic would save. I mean both of us thought we might die this night. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 05 2012 06:31 Ange777 wrote: @Shady: Maybe scum was trying to kill the medic instead of WIFOMing who the medic would save. I mean both of us thought we might die this night. Fair enough. Once JingleHell is lynched and the next Night cycle is over, I'd recommend the medic roleclaiming. Between you, the medic, and me, then we'd have 3 confirmed townies vs 1 mafia in a town of 6. And since in a situation like that it'd be suicidal for the mafia to counterclaim, then there'd be no chance someone could mislynch medic. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
I am going to write up a long post addressing the cases against me. On the thing with the post timing. It was 4am at the time and I wanted to get some sleep. It was tied at 5-5 and even though I was leaning towards Zork being just a bad townie rather than scum. I would rather lynch him than a no lynch. I actually didn't see zorks post because it happened whilst I was writing mine. I honestly just wanted to go to bed and didn't want to risk a no lynch. (obviously I stayed up for an extra hour because of his medic claim.) I have suspicions on who may be scum and I will make a case on them at some stage also. But I have some reading to do before class tomorrow so it won't come immediately (I will work on these posts on and off all day) That being said we are in a really good position at the moment. So I am glad people didn't listen to me which is ironic because yesterday I was annoyed mord was getting away again. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On August 05 2012 05:21 Mordanis wrote: DP: Why did you change your vote from someone you've been suspicious of literally all game to someone you've only defended, in the middle of a tied vote situation, for the most vague reason possible. I said I would. I think it was to Ange in the second part of day 2. I was always willing to change my vote to avoid a no lynch. at that point in time I had every intention of going to sleep and didn't want to leave it in the hands of others. Would I rather people to have changed their votes to you at that time 100% yes. But I didn't see that happening and some were even putting forward the idea of a no lynch which i was 100% against. So I tried to consolidate the vote onto one candidate. I am not sure others would have switched off mord had zork not made his medic claim. Anyway that was my thoughts behind it. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On August 05 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote: He (myself) further states that he can't see any kind of scum motivation for a scum Jingle to tunnel me and discredit me when I am pushing the case on scum Zork. On August 05 2012 05:49 JingleHell wrote: By the way, since we're kinda up to our neck in WIFOM right now regarding the "case" on me anyways... Why the hell would I, if I was scum, come into the thread taking some convoluted route of being suspicious of people who weren't under fire? I could have easily taken the easy way out, piled onto Mordanis, and played the "unbiased outsider" card people were handing me to agree with the case against him? If you think that makes sense from the hypothetical scum me viewpoint, I think I'm going to take it as an insult. This is part of the reason the Jingle case does not make sense to me. When he first came to the thread people were even talking about everyone sheeping his vote (obvious). If he was scum I see no rational in his play. He could have just quietly jumped on a bandwagon and consolidated the goodwill that everyone was showing him when he first joined. Instead he disregards staying alive and makes his own reads, own case and starts pressuring those people. To me this is town behaviour and would be retarded as scum. I don't get why everyone thinks that all scum in the game were forming a counter wagon to zork. He was a bad player I think everyone can agree on that. I don't know why people think that scum would go all in in order to save someone whom was obviously a liability. That is largely WIFOM though, which I dislike. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
I definitely find it plausible you were unaware of Zork's incriminating post, since your vote change and his post were only 2 minutes apart. That being said, there are other explanations for this behavior... For now I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this point. As for your defense of Jingle, it may not have been optimal for a scum to stick his neck out and vote for his own candidate in the way that Jingle has. However, for what it's worth, Zork did pretty much the same thing. The case against Jingle isn't just about voting patterns, but also about his actions. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on some of the other scum reads on Jingle described by Shady, Ange, and myself. There's more to it than that he proposed his own candidate and voted for him. @ the rest of town: The posting has been incredibly scarce here, especially from Obvious and aRyuujin. Today's discussion is valuable to determine not only today's, but tomorrow's potential lynch candidate, and to discuss end-game strategy. With town turning this around, now is definitely not the time to go afk. I have spelled out my scum-read on JingleHell already, and nothing has changed since that post, so: ##Vote JingleHell I have not forgotten about alan and Darthpunk. If something really scummy sticks out to me when I'm reading through their filters tonight I might change my vote (though tbh I find this very unlikely). Whatever the case, expect a post on my opinions either before I go to bed tonight or tomorrow morning. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On August 05 2012 16:05 goodkarma wrote: @Darthpunk: I definitely find it plausible you were unaware of Zork's incriminating post, since your vote change and his post were only 2 minutes apart. That being said, there are other explanations for this behavior... For now I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this point. As for your defense of Jingle, it may not have been optimal for a scum to stick his neck out and vote for his own candidate in the way that Jingle has. However, for what it's worth, Zork did pretty much the same thing. The case against Jingle isn't just about voting patterns, but also about his actions. I would be interested to hear your thoughts on some of the other scum reads on Jingle described by Shady, Ange, and myself. There's more to it than that he proposed his own candidate and voted for him. @Goodkarma: The post you are referencing is not my stance on the Jingle case as a whole but a reply to Ange777 on why I could not find a scum motive behind jingles actions (this is during day 2 not taking account the further cases against him). I am really sorry but I have gotten really behind on my reading for University and so I will probably not be finished with it until later tonight. I am really sorry but I will certainly be contributing more once I am done. | ||
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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
Accidentally closed the page I was writing a post on, and had to rewrite everything. @Ange On August 05 2012 02:30 Ange777 wrote: EBWOP: If it indeed was his town meta, than I suppose it would not be far fetched to at least see him tunnel someone else right now? And yet when I see his case on you and compare it with him endlessly tunneling me I feel there is a huge huge difference. I will answer in Jingle's case below. @Jingle I hope Obvious can justify my claim about Jingle. He was in the NMM XXI, where Jingle threw him out there and ended up getting mislynched, as a blue. However, later Jingle used the same tunnelling technique and caught a scum in day 2, and is subsequently killed and flipped town. Here is his filter in that game if you want to verify it yourself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&user=159089 I saw and replied Jingle's post against me. I feel like it is a summary of my entire filter and quote one or two phrase I wrote and append a scummy motivated explanation on it. I can say both townie or scum Jingle would want to convince Town to not vote him, however, blatantly throw out someone else so they shift their focus on that person instead? I am leaning it to be [red]scum motivated. If he is trying to say "If you guys trail me based on these arguments, Alan fits in more". I don't think that is entirely correct. I don't know what others think about my cases, but I made them based on reading filters and my own impression. I don't think they are full of WIFOM (Perhaps a little) but I thought they were logically sound.[/b] | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
My problem with Jingle is that he doesn't show us any kind of town behaviour. He was extremely active and aggressive tunneling me which everyone said fits his meta. But after the flip there has been the one case on you and a lot of WIFOM defense. If he were town, he should know better that you don't just get away simply be WIFOMing. You need to show you are town by pushing reads and cases ... not fake claiming RBed. So what are your scum reads for the two remaining scum? What do you think of Mordanis and my case on DarthPunk? | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
 . Even when I do contribute, people point out that I'm just agreeing with others. Hell, I even missed the day 2 lynch (though that was because I was incredibly busy). If I was scum, I'd at least have jumped on a bandwagon or something beforehand, rather than thinking I'd be able to make up my mind later (and consequently missing the vote). On Jingle: Recently, he's made a lot of emotional/fluff posts. At least in IRL mafia, when someone does that, it's generally because they can no longer find strong defenses against the arguments made against them. However, I don't see why Jingle would be so obvious in his 'fuck it they got me' attitude, especially considering how many believe he is experienced and skilled. On Darthpunk: like others have noted, that 'breadcrumb' by zork could easily have been just a way to give DP an excuse to seem anti zork. Note how previously, he was reluctant on voting zork, and finally changed when he saw there was no point in not doing so. This is a typical scum move, just trying to blend in with the other townies and going with the bandwagon. In fact, at one point he even calls zork a bad player (presumably for pulling the crappy breadcrumb stunt). This falls in sync with DP's other actions regarding the mordanis vs zork swap. Because of his recent somewhat random defense of Jingle, I'm led to believe that if Jingle is scum, then so is DP Also remember that one of the remaining mafia is godfather, meaning he will not turn up red. This means that a cop check will be substantially less effective, and the 2 mafia can cover/defend each other more easily. On Ange: I actually didn't have much of an opinion on he/she, but what Shady said makes sense to me. It's highly unlikely that scum would bus at that point, meaning that ange is in the clear. on GK: I initially had a somewhat scummy read on him. However, I think his recent posts seem really town oriented, and I have a feeling I was heavily influenced by his game long tunneling of me. Because he's been going after Jingle, I find it highly unlikely that he's mafia if Jingle is. At this point, I was debating between Jingle and Darthpunk. However, I'm voting for Jingle because of 3 main things 1)I'm fairly certain Jingle is scum 2)If Jingle is mafia, then it puts the nail in the coffin imo that Darthpunk is scum. It also somewhat confirms GK's town status 3)It's our best chance of getting a lynch at this point, seeing as Shady Sands is going for it, and is our most confirmed townie. | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
In conclusion: Jingle/Dathpunk are mafia, ##vote Jinglehell ##FoSDarthpunk | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Checking in with aRyuujin At this point, you have 3 posts in the past 3 days.
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
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Ange777
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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