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On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:Show nested quote +Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation. Sorry, i missed this, im REALLY against bandwagons, specially at the last hours of the day, i think on day 1 we dont have much information to work on, but we need to have our eyes open for a mafia slip, yes, lets pressure people, if they evade/lurk/start attacking other people whitout a real reason, then thats our day 1 candidate. Also, i like to save my vote to the last hours of the day, mafia is always much more active at day last hours just to see if they can change the decision or who is going to die. If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest.
Something feels off about Unforgiven_ve. His contributions so far are "safe" generalities to say about the game. In addition, he wants to move the spotlight away from himself by asking for a town leader to easily sheep, and then he even says that he won't vote until the last hours (when it's extremely easy to bandwagon and blend in as Mafia).
As things stand, I'm ready to go for a Unforgiven_ve lynch. However, I want to see your response first, Unforgiven_ve. You better impress with your next post or your filter looks really bad already.
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I also want to hear from s0lstice and Superouman. Superouman hasn't yet posted anything, and s0lstice's filter is pretty much worthless so far.
On May 31 2012 16:47 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 16:33 heist wrote:On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos I agree with needing more information. And by no means should you blindly follow any accusations. I take it you agree with me on Cattivik but can you clarify your first point about the overuse of the "collective". How exactly is this a scumtell? I'd like some further responses, especially, especially from you, Cattivik. Overall, it's looking as if we aren't going to be plagued by inactivity and lurking although I would prod Superouman and Ange77 to post more and be active. @ Sciberbia thanks for the discussion generator, but I'm sure it's apparent that the town majority heavily favors a Day 1 lynch and we should proceed to do so. So enough about policy, I'm curious as to your your thoughts on the other players and suspicions. Just the use of 'we' and 'us' to refer to the townsfolk. Similar to Hollywood'ing in poker, just trying to sell it a bit too much. It caught my eye is all.
It's not good to get stuck on details and semantics. Look for the Mafia motivations behind someone's posting, Eishi_Ki. Mafia rarely make stupid mistakes such as this, since they have to be careful about their every post. So far I feel pretty good about Cattivik being town, given his general attitude and style. Again, occam's razor: if someone plays like town should, they are more likely town. Regardless of some details like what specific words they use.
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Hi hi, i just woke up, i'm so sad to see our mayor and his assistant die so quickly. This news is a lot worse than all on the tv 
And i don't like people who talk too much and even more the ones who want to avoid lynching
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I also brang a sign next to our victimes saying "YOU WILL PAY TOO"
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On May 31 2012 17:47 Superouman wrote:Hi hi, i just woke up, i'm so sad to see our mayor and his assistant die so quickly. This news is a lot worse than all on the tv And i don't like people who talk too much and even more the ones who want to avoid lynching
Your first post is very bland and even outright weird. You begin with some fluff, and then you want to lynch active posters. What?? And what do you mean with "people who want to avoid being lynched"? Who doesn't want to avoid being lynched? I expect to see some improvement soon, although I can't yet say if this is beginner Mafia or beginner town play. It's always hard to tell with posting like this.
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Unforgiven_ve,
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:32 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
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Also, i have a reccomendation, please people, dont use PAST games as a guide,
Why are you discouraging the use of meta arguments? Town needs to use any information available to them to hunt scum; having a firm example of how a person plays as town/scum is definitely valuable information.
So (in essence) you say don't use past games to inform your ideas/opinions on the current game. Yet you do this twice in the same post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:32 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
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I like the discussion about the NL on day 1, having played mafia 13 and having a lot of lurkers got me thinking about using day 1 lynch and calling out lurkers is the best for the town, especially those lurkers who goes super active the last hours of the day, we have to keep an eye on them.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:32 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
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the last (and only) game i played, town got fucked (in part) thanks to this...i was mafia, lurking, bad town play and bad reads based on past games granted us the victory, only 1 mafia died thanks to a very lucky shot.
Can you explain this contradiction?
Also, this caught my eye:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:46 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
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If someone wants to be "town leader" please take all this in account, im all in for some kind of town guidance and not a FFA f**kfest.
Why on Earth are you trying to get us to talk about who should be leading us? This will do nothing but create a power struggle, and a lot of wasted time. Each townie needs to lead him/herself first and foremost.
##FoS: Unforgiven_ve
Now to Miltonkram. Your early vote and subsequent retraction, combined with your apologies reminds me a lot of recent history (Milton was scum last game). It looks like you are being aggressive without conviction, aka being aggressive just for the sake of looking aggressive. I'm watching you too.
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Never fails, every time I forget to refresh before posting I get ninja'd haha.
But yes, in short Xatalos, I am with you on Unforgiven_ve
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Yes s0Lstice, it does remind me of a certain game that happened very recently. In fact, last time it was you who was involved in my suspicion.
I'm still suspicious of sciberbia, just like I'm suspicious of everyone else in this game, but my read on him was that he was trying to divide the town into a semi-useless discussion on policy. As far as I can tell he wasn't. He was trying to show a non-typical line of play for the town that could also improve our chances. I also must admit that his statement about 5 lynches confused me. I was looking at the number of mislynches we were allowed to make and saw his numbers were off. I didn't think it all the way through, he meant the maximum number of lynches we could have this game.
Goal #1: Pressure sciberbia/get a response from him. Accomplished
Goal #2: Prove I'm a complete dumbass. Accomplished
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What are your thoughts on Superouman and Unforgiven_ve Milton?
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Ange777 I want to hear more from you too.
Are you suspicious of sciberbia at all?
What are your thoughts on Milton's and Unforgiven's play thus far?
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I'll answer to some of the accusations towards me here, also revealing more important information:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Cattivik
Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you.
Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him.
##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:Let's have a look at Cattivik. Show nested quote +Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote:
Giovanni Falcone reporting in.
Pro lynch, any information better than no information.
Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods.
Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote:
Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for?
As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here thoughObviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:
He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram).
He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority.
Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation.
In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch.
This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway.
Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far:
Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie.
If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority.
However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum.
Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you.
Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe.
Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here.
Then there's this:
On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm)
Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore.
I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes:
##VOTE :Eishi_Ki
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On May 31 2012 19:54 s0Lstice wrote
What are your thoughts on Superouman and Unforgiven_ve Milton?
We need more out of Superouman for sure. If he keeps lurking then we have to decide if we bite the bullet and lynch the lurker now or later. Same goes for Ange777. I hope it isn't a problem, but you never really know until you get deep in the game.
As to my thoughts on Unforgiven I'm a bit confused. First he states he's against bandwagons and then in the very same post states he's saving his vote for the very end of the day cycle. I'm not sure what he's trying to say, but why would he directly contradict himself in his own post? I'm thinking perhaps a language issue. The intent of his last sentence, asking for town leadership, seems strange as well. Although with that sentence it's easier to extrapolate some sort of scum logic. He might be seeing if he can get some of the town to follow one or two confirmed townies, that way when mafia shoots those townies at night all is chaos and the scum can blend in.
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Not sure about the correctness of the format, so I vote again:
##Vote Eishi_Ki
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Ummm yeah i should talk more but the thing is that i don't know what to say, this is kind of a blind pick for now, but i am always suspicious of people who talk too much at the beginning
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So they can look friendly and stuff, i don't like this.
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Superouman,
There's a lot going on in the thread, so you should have plenty to talk about. There are 2 cases with some momentum (Unforgiven and Eishi_Ki), cattivik is being hyper aggressive and has asserted sciberbia is surely town, we have two other lurker besides you so far (Ange777, suki), and Milton has been sort of all over the place. Talk about any of these.
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On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:
Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe.
I am totally not making fun of anything here, i'm just ready to kick some mafia butt.
And considering your lynch logic, what if all the mafia already talked, you would just kill townies and make mafia's life easier.
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On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'll answer to some of the accusations towards me here, also revealing more important information: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote:
@Cattivik
Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you.
Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him.
##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:Let's have a look at Cattivik. Show nested quote +Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote:
Giovanni Falcone reporting in.
Pro lynch, any information better than no information.
Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods.
Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote:
Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for?
As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here thoughObviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote:
He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram).
He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority.
Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back. On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work....
Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway.
However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise.
Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation. In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch. This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway. Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far: Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie. If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority. However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum. Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you. Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe. Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki
It was an ironic joke. Apologies if you didn't understand. It was said earlier that the scum and lurkers try to sway arguments towards the later hours. Unfortunately for me, the later hours are before I wake up and as such, my contributions at that time are going to be limited. An alibi in the form of my contract of employment can prove I live and work in Korea at the moment. To counter this, I'll try and check this and post as often as I can whilst I am awake. An inconvenient set of circumstances or a likely story, I'll let you decide.
What would you like to know about my thought processes? I can't tell you how my brains works, only that I analyse details at face value and then have a lot of time to think about them further. I noted initially that you were trying to sell that you were a Townie without saying so outright.
That said, I'm pretty sure Miltonkram is one of us aswell,
I also noted you agreed with Sciberbia (or at least acknowledged his line of thought) on the issue of policy but still did not sway your recommendation.
Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning.
I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already.
Just observations
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s0Lstice, I'm impressed with your recent posts (especially compared to your earlier posts). Keep up the good work.
Unforgiven_ve, I'm still waiting for you to post something useful. Same with Superouman.
Ange777, Suki, you two need to step up and do something. Your filters are pretty much empty.
Cattivik, Eishi_Ki, could you two look outside of each other and tell some other Mafia reads? It's distractive to get succumbed into a duel, especially this early. One of you might be Mafia (probably not both), but even so, it's more useful to not just tunnel one player.
sciberbia, Heist, O.Golden_ne, I also want to hear some more from you.
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Regarding Superouman:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 21:05 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 20:20 Cattivik wrote:
Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe.
I am totally not making fun of anything here, i'm just ready to kick some mafia butt. And considering your lynch logic, what if all the mafia already talked, you would just kill townies and make mafia's life easier. I wasn't all that serious about the marked part, just a bit of roleplay  Back to the topic: By my lynch logic I want to hear something useful from the lurkers. Since you don't know what to say, you're still a lurker. No target set, no analysis. If you look at the posts, who would you want to lynch? If all the mafia already talked, we might lose townies who don't know what to say or assert. An acceptable loss in light of the information retrieved. No offense.
On May 31 2012 21:13 Eishi_Ki wrote:What would you like to know about my thought processes? I can't tell you how my brains works, only that I analyse details at face value and then have a lot of time to think about them further. I noted initially that you were trying to sell that you were a Townie without saying so outright.
Oh, you can tell me what you thought. This argument of yours makes you appear even more scummy. Why?
It's selective! Did you read Heists' post?It's even more recent than mine, he uses the collective form more times than me, yet you say i'm suspicious.
Either you were sloppy, or you are scum trying to let me look suspicious, in latter case:
Does that mean I was on the right track?Or that Heist is scum aswell?
Before going on, I'll quote Heist:
On May 31 2012 09:34 heist wrote:
Sciberbia, you wanted our opinion on the matter of a NL Day 1.... I strongly,strongly disagree with a NL.
The issue isn't with the unknown setup. It doesn't matter. No matter what the setup is, we should always go through with a Day 1 lynch. The flaw with your logic is that the lynches are not pure probability. We are not condemning some poor soul to death from a name in a hat. It is based on people's reactions to pressure, contradictions, activity level, and other information generated by discussion. When someone dies, most of us should be feeling comfortable with it. If anything, the purpose of a Day 1 lynch is not some slim chance of lynching mafia, but for information. Information we can use to lead the course of Day 2 and onward.
In your scenario, every lynch is an isolated incident. The lynches of each day are not independent. The outcome of a Day 1 lynch WILL affect the outcome of the Day 2 lynch, and only for the better because of all us will have a clearer picture of the situation.
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In other news: I wanted to suggest a few things to town that you may or may not find useful:
1. DO NOT claim you are a vanilla townie. We won't believe you AND you should be glad to die in place of a blue. We don't want to limit the pool of possible blues.
2. Attention DT (if we have one) - Let's say you get a lucky check on scum. Do not reveal yourself day 2. Do not come screaming into the thread with your pants still at your feet. You are not guaranteed a medic. Breadcrumb your result. Look at their behavior and create an accusation. Anything is better than a reveal.
3. This is a newbie game. Most people don't know what to do as a blue role. Pretend you don't have it. Seriously, most people with a blue role are afraid to stick their head out and, as a result, are often mistaken for scum. We don't want to hang you so please don't give us a reason. Be active.
4. Try not to bandwagon with a simple "I agree with ___". We want to limit our lynch candidates. The voting patterns of Day 1 may end up leading us to an excellent mafia candidate day 3 or later. If we have people voting all over the place, the usefulness of the day 1 lynch becomes diluted. That's not say don't be aggressive. Don't be afraid to poke the bear right in the eye if you feel good about an accusation.
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@Cattivik
"Sciberbia is the most active poster so far, also he's not promoting a NL, he's questioning day1 lynch.
Whatever, I'm pretty sure he's clean, no mafia would go for the first post in a newbie game."
That defense is borderline scummy. There is nothing that mafia won't do. Do not assume he's clean because he's the first post in a newbie game. Obviously this is only your first impression, but your reasoning is a little off here.
Yes, i never supported a NL, but aknocwledged sciberbias point
I suggest that you keep the discussion to yourself, you talk a lot about me, not about the accusations towards you.
If you admit you are scum now, you may choose the way you get lynched, Eishi_Ki, like being drowned in single malt whisky to have a last taste of your country.
I'll keep the vote locked in.
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