EPTCan't have hurt. Take a look at Newbie VI endgame, starting here.
The context being the other townie was super suspicious of me, not the scum. But I got the scum lynched purely by talking about the night kill.
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Can't have hurt. Take a look at Newbie VI endgame, starting here. The context being the other townie was super suspicious of me, not the scum. But I got the scum lynched purely by talking about the night kill. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I agree that we should have discussed it, but I think the context in which the NK was brought up was very important. Had milton or I initiated discussion, we discuss. But had you initiated the discussion, I think I would have been more dismissive of the idea because it was one of scum ShiaoPi's ways to handle the NK - kill milton/me OR kill unforgiven and bring it up. So for me, it's a failure on our part, but not yours. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I agree option B (just reacting to he NK unpredictably) is most practical and universally applicable. @shiaopi Honestly, if you bring up the NK yourself, I think it would just make you look even more scummy, but I guess as marv said, it couldnt't have hurt. Ideally austinmcc/miltonkram would begin to question the NK themselves, but it didn't look likely that they would (which is why Xatalos killed unforgiven to begin with), so I thought you would surely be lynched no matter what you said. Based on my reads, we were honestly in serious trouble after we mislynched vivax because we couldn't afford any more mislynches, Xatalos didn't look particularly scummy, you did, and we had no blue information. IMO, the excellent scumread on Xatalos by Unforgiven was the only reason we had a chance, and we almost pulled it off, but it was a tough game to win. It was basically 6 VT vs 3 goons, but worse. | ||
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Note taken. From here on out I won't immediately discount evidence just because it's WIFOM. I'm still not sure I could have convinced myself that Xatalos was scum, but Unforgiven dying would have certainly given me more pause. Do you think I should have appeared less certain during the final night cycle? At the time I was fairly certain of ShiaoPi but I still had a nagging suspicion about Xatalos. If I had made it less obvious that ShiaoPi was my target for the next day I could have forced a few decent cases/posts out of Xatalos. Do you think that would have been a better play on my part? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
The opposite was true for Unforgiven_ve, who had the best reads, but apparently didn't care about the game. suki deserves a special mention for playing so well for her first game.A bit sad that so many were replaced/modkilled, but what can you do... Bad luck for town, and some bad luck for Mafia as well (suki offline at the most critical moment). Let's hope everyone is active in future games  | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:26 Miltonkram wrote: @ sciberbia Note taken. From here on out I won't immediately discount evidence just because it's WIFOM. I'm still not sure I could have convinced myself that Xatalos was scum, but Unforgiven dying would have certainly given me more pause. Do you think I should have appeared less certain during the final night cycle? At the time I was fairly certain of ShiaoPi but I still had a nagging suspicion about Xatalos. If I had made it less obvious that ShiaoPi was my target for the next day I could have forced a few decent cases/posts out of Xatalos. Do you think that would have been a better play on my part? Yeah, it's a common trap to think someone is town and then ignore him. You should have put some pressure on me and gathered more evidence to determine if I'm really town. The lynch was obviously going to be between me and ShiaoPi, so the more discussion/information before the final decision, the better. If I was really town, I wouldn't have minded some additional pressure to prove my innocence. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
a) Talking about your reads during the final night complicates the battle of wits. imo, this isn't necessary good or bad; it just complicates the WIFOM associated with the NK for all parties. b) As Xatalos said, forcing more posts out of the remaining mafia suspects is more likely to help than hurt. So I guess the "optimal" play is to force a ton of content out of everyone, but in this particular case I doubt that your read would have changed on Xatalos or Shiaopi, so I think you would have just been wasting time (and making me die of anxiety :p) In summary, I think your strong accusation of shiaopi during the night was neither good nor bad. IMO your mistake was on the final day. You could have won the game by assuming the following: 1) mafia would expect the NK to have no effect on anyone's read 2) a mafia shiaopi would expect a NK of you/austinmcc to have much better prospects than a NK of unforgiven 3) a mafia xatalos would expect only a NK of unforgiven to give him a great chance at winning 4) realize that neither mafia would expect you to figure all this out and base your vote off of it 5) lynch Xatalos Obviously, it's easy for me to say all this postgame, and it's not easy to concretely justify these assumptions, especially 1 and 4. The issue is probably that you weren't convinced about 1. So mafia (Xatalos) accurately predicted your actions whereas you didn't accurately predict his. Hence his deservedly winning the battle of wits and with it the game. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I even thought about REALLY drawing things out and suggesting a no-lynch, but assumed I'd be strangled through the computer. If we reeeeeeally wanted it, could have gotten another 120 hours of discussion in, but I'm in agreement that it would have been a waste of time and we weren't going to constructively analyze the situation for very long if at all. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Same here. Even though I've only played two games I'm starting to realize that TL Mafia is becoming an addiction. Needz moar...  | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 11 2012 12:35 suki wrote: Is there a way to find out when the next newbie mafia is going to start? I've been refreshing the main page compulsively because I missed out on Newbie Mafia XVI by like a few hours... =| It's never that exact. From what I gather prplhz should be posting Newbie XVII signups in the next day or two. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On June 12 2012 01:11 Radfield wrote: Fire it up prplhz! Yea should be any time now. I'll be spamming F5 like there's no tomorrow :p @suki Looks you got a spot reserved for you. I'm jealous! | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
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heist
United States720 Posts
Only one person to thank for that: ShaoPi. Thank you for believing in me. It was really gratifying to hear someone agree with me (even if I was mafia). And hey I tried to play day 1 exactly as I would have as if I was town except for the whole Suki part. You won us the game ( ), that and Xatalos' late game and the modkills.My biggest mistake was trying to deflect votes away from Suki. I'm pretty sure I wasn't too suspicious before the whole lynch pressure period. At least I hope I wasn't on too many people's radars except you Vivax. Vivax: I tunnelled you mercilessly pretty much the entire game. If it makes you feel better, at least it wasn't from a fellow townie. Although I would still argue you were not playing optimally as town, which made my case much easier to push through. You down right confused me sometimes. But good play getting people to back off of you, at least some of them. Solstice: Sorry but you really just had to go. With Suki lynched N1, and me in suspicion, we knew we couldn't really use our night kills for any sneaky play. We just had to try and take out the most aggressive player against us, which was you. It must have been really annoying not being able to respond to my post defending myself against your accusation. Great job Xatalos bringing it home for us. This was my first time playing mafia, so it was quite an interesting experience. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Should have rolled Traitor role!  | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 12 2012 07:01 austinmcc wrote: Bah. Not to take anything away from Xat, or to give us more credit, but I wonder if things would have played out different if you had started the game or if Golden had played it out. We couldn't really give you a pass, but at the same time you didn't really have any way to argue back against anything Golden said/did D1. i've replaced in a few times and I just outright refuse to be held responsible for whoever I replaced | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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