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gumshoe
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gumshoe
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gumshoe
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slOosh
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On February 24 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote: As perhaps seen by my pressuring Steveling after the night 2 post, I have suspected the possibility of Mattchew as scum. The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling. It wasn't supposed to be a proper case. It was to gauge Steveling's and Mattchew's reactions. Mattchew's defense: "I played a terrible game". Seriously you guys buying this? There is absolutely no effort to make cases or substantial efforts to hunt scum in his play. There is a difference between trying your best and making the wrong reads (like me with DYH) and not trying at all to make any decent reads. Furthermore, my case stands strong and his response is junk. It is not based on him believing his reads, but him showing favoritism and applying different logic to different players. He shuts down players for lurking / not contributing, but somehow thinks alderan is confirmed town. His basis of leaning toward town for Steveling is based on his read on MG, which is illogical as four townies have read him wrong. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On February 24 2012 09:41 Alderan wrote: This Mattchew bandwagon is cute and all, but quite frankly ET and Sloosh haven't you done enough OMGUS tunnel tunnel town lynches?DYH is the most obvious example, but you both had made cases against MG (which in my mind is why Janaan shot him). Townies don't try reasoning with their top scum reads to stop trying to make bandwagons. Case closed on Alderaan. | ||
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Mattchew
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slOosh
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On February 24 2012 13:46 Mattchew wrote: Sloosh you make me look open to others opinions with your tunnel vision... I also answered your actually terrible case but hey you can ignore that... Ignorance is bliss right? Hmm yea I can really see the effort to prevent a town loss in this post right here. Mattchew isn't town as he hasn't contributed anything of worth after his pressure play and he STILL HASN'T DONE SO. | ||
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Mattchew
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Steveling
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On February 24 2012 13:05 slOosh wrote: His basis of leaning toward town for Steveling is based on his read on MG, which is illogical as four townies have read him wrong. I like how you don't even think about that I just had a better read than you guys. No it can't be that, that is "illogical", noone is better than the great sloosh, I'm obviously scum cause I can't possibly have read the situation better. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:41 Alderan wrote: This Mattchew bandwagon is cute and all, but quite frankly ET and Sloosh haven't you done enough OMGUS tunnel tunnel town lynches?DYH is the most obvious example, but you both had made cases against MG (which in my mind is why Janaan shot him). Sure Mattchew's posts are abrasive, but definitely not scummy. Apparently neither of you can distinguish between the two (see DYH). I can not fathom how you would vote for a case like that over someone like TK who has all but admitted to being scum.... 1. mattchew "bandwagon"? There's only 2 people voting him. It's the opposite of a bandwagon; no one is willing to jump on it. Whether it's because all of the "townies" who previously thought Mattchew was scum have all changed their opinion, or because he is scum and the team can't pile on like they did to Dimmuklok/DYH is up for debate. 2. tunneling is bad if you do not consider outside perspectives/other options. I find it quite misrepresentative for you to say that I am "tunneling" mattchew; I seriously considered him town but today he is being incredibly, incredibly non-committal, as compared to his D2. For him to say "THESE 4 ARE SCUM" and then today to be like hmm mehh uhhh trackd00r lynch pls? It's strange; it reminds me of my D3 play in my previous game; after influencing 2 mislynches, I was unwilling to go balls to the wall because I was afraid of drawing undue attention. 3. I find it interesting that you are comparing the Mattchew case to DYH and MG. Mattchew also made a case on MG, so you can't say that we solely advanced that. Also, you say that we cannot distinguish "abrasive vs. scummy" and compare it to DYH, but DYH was NOT abrasive. I thought he was scummy for entirely different reasons. And how can you say his posts are definitely not scummy when he himself says "Yeah i been playing really badly, really scummy". On February 24 2012 08:26 gumshoe wrote: ech? Like why? Why are you trying to evoke that kind of paranoia at this stage in the game? THIS IS THE LAST THING WE NEED. If you remember, Mattchew attacked me, as opposed to pursuing his reads that he was so confident on. Of course his explanation is: On February 24 2012 08:27 Mattchew wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why it is reasonable to vote for Mattchew (me) 1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy 2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus 3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing 4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game 5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure 6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on. I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play. Well WTF have you been doing? Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot. This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before. Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH. So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen. So what Mattchew? You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss. I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads. Essentially, saying that "I'm bad, sorry guys". So why exactly should we listen to the things that you have been saying in thread lately? Like your support for a trackd00r lynch? Being wrong (and you were only wrong about MG even) as a townie doesn't mean pipe down and become timid; it just means you have to pursue further reads. Your big reticence from this post is so contrary to your previous play that it's sort of mindboggling. I also find this amusing because when you say "I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it", by saying that it is "my" win condition, it means that it suits you to not die (scum or town), as opposed to "our" win condition, which would be to not mislynch a townie. To mattchew's defense: you say that 90% of sloosh's case is you believing in your reads, but now the fact that you dont believe in your reads is weird. As town, all you have are your reads. I can see that maybe you have lost confidence after last night's flip; I did too, but if you articulated why your reads still have merit, it would be easier to see you as town. Your utter loss of confidence, as I said, reminds me of my own pullback D3 in GMarshal's Normal Mini Mafia. With at least two lurkers (rG and TK), and a scum team of 4, there is no way we will be able to lynch a scum unless all reamining townies come to a consensus. rG and TK; if you have any opinions on the current situation, please post them. No one will lambast you solely lurking, we just NEED to get something done, so if you are reading, please post anything. I'll consider anyone but trackd00r, if everyone is dead set against the Mattchew lynch. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
Because vaderseven expressed interest in replacing, but hasn't replaced in yet, I assume it is because TKHawkins is unsure of whether or not he wants to replace out; vaderseven replacing it would mean no modkill would be required, so it makes no sense for him to not come in now unless there is an extraneous factor. Thus, TK, if you're still playing, pls post anything, even just a vote. Town needs something, anything. | ||
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EchelonTee
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zelblade
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This is who I believe the scum team is. Mattchew Trackd00r Alderan Last one im not so sure still. Steveling could be scum but I dont really see him and track being scumbuddies. Which leaves either Hawkins or rG. Which sucks since we discern their alignment due to their lurking. I need to go out for dinner now which might take quite a long time. Will respond to track's response among various other things, and decide if my vote is more useful on matt or track. Im pretty sure we have caught most of the scum team, but what we really need to avoid is splitting our votes on the two of them..... otherwise we might have some last minute switches leading to a no-lynch which happens to be pretty disastrious for us. | ||
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zelblade
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On February 24 2012 03:59 trackd00r wrote: I'm giving my reads. I think that zelblade, Steveling and Alderan are scum What bugs me about zel and steve are that they accused me in the say way, which was targeting my safe play. They don't look at any other aspects, such as any bandwagons or other situations that could cause conflict. I'll go more on detail. Look zelblade thoughts about Steve: He basically said that Steveling was town because I'm mafia. He actually points that he has a rather high chance for him to being mafia, but no. He automatically treated him as town just because of me. He points no other reason. Doesn't that seem a little suspicious? And alderan: Again, same thing happens. He raises suspicion upon until he uses my name and and magically he uses that to give him a little more of credibility. He thinks that his points against me (which he already stated that is an easy case) are enough to counter weight the the vote analysis that he mentioned to finally give to a null/probably scum read. This is his case against me: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2012 21:13 zelblade wrote: So it seems that vig shot has pushed us to MYLO. Well at the very least this shows us that mattchew's case is weak. I have read through the thread and various filters and I still think that trackd00r is definately our best option today. Trackdoor doesnt have any strong reads, nor does he actively push them. Looking through his filter, one can easily see that he has been sheeping all game long. He starts out by getting onto the ET wagon based on his "flashy and agressive" attitude. Afterwards, during the minutes leading up to the day 1 lynch, he propses Dimmuklok - using Aldrean's accusations as his base - as an alternative targert since we apparently couldnt get a lynch on either MG or ET. He than accuses DYH, before throwing out a weak (and never followed up) FOS on Aldrean, than goes back to voting for DoYouHas. After that he goes on to accuse hawkins after the mattchew case comes up. Look through his filter and you will notice that all his accusations are really SAFE. He hasnt called out anyone for anything unless someone else has already done it. He says that he doesnt like ET's behaviour, but only votes after I have done so. His pick for a day 1 lynch is a safe lurker. He pushes DYH day 2 after pretty much everyone has decided to lynch him. He FOS's Aldrean only after MG's case. He attacks hawkins only after mattchew's case. Even in there, he selects the easiest targert among the four - the one under the most scrunity - TKHawkins. Not to mention that his case is really weak, and even his read on Hawkins isnt a hard one. Notice how his only scum read coming into day 3 is Hawkins. This is proof that he hasnt been actively hunting scum. Just look at this post for example. What he has here is simple. He has one scum read on Hawkins, and feels that MG could be a "mastermind" due to his interactions with hawkins. He is null on me. Town on Matt. Why, as town, would he have only ONE scum read coming into day 3? Why, as town, hasnt he been actively hunting down scum? Why is he being so flip-floppy about his reads? Notice how he promises his thoughts on MG and to read my filter. Notice how these thoughts never come. Instead, what has he done with his remaining time? Its goddammed MYLO and hes a viable lynch candidate. Why, is he not trying his best to prove his innocence at this point by getting his thoughts out? Instead, lets take a look at his gem of a last post. What is the townie motivation - especially one on the chopping block at MYLO - to posting this? Instead of getting his suspisions out there, he goes ahead to discuss the ways mafia can win....? There is zero motivation for a townie who was on the road to getting mislynched and losing the game because of it to post something like this. Once again, I dont see why a townie at this stage would have the time to type up a load of crap regarding mafia stratergy yet not be able to make any sort of subsantial case against anyone. The numerous cases against trackd00r also add on to the fact that trackd0or is scum. Which is also why he gets my vote for today. ##Vote: trackd00r He says that I'm playing really safe and not actively trying to hunt scum. While this can be true at some extent, he has forgotten that I was one of the pushers of ET case along with him, blae and MG. It didn't materialize, but find that he doesn't recognizes my intentions with a lynch he wanted to get through. Regarding this accusation as well, he adds that the numerous cases that are around support my case. The only one I've seen were Steveling's and Mattchew, and he already said that Mattchew's case was horrible before: As well dismissed it as weak just before starting my accusations. I find this very contradictory. I'm worried that he hasn't expressed this thoughts on Alderan this well. He has been playing with pretty much of the same flaws that I've been, and yet he can't make a solid read like mine. Overall I don't like the way he has been trying to push my case and how sees other as town because they think the same. Mafia has to think the same to win this game right? Wall of Text not relating to me I have snipped out the part not relating to me since im not going to defend steve's or ald's actions. Summing up my case into me "targerting your safe play" is a most lolzy summary of my case. Have you even read through it? I attack the fact that you have been sheeping, the fact that you have no scum reads coming into day 3, the fact that you bring no new content to the table, the fact that you havent been actively hunting scum, the fact that you are absolutely non-commital towards your reads, and finally the fact that you apparently didnt care for hunting scum at MYLO and would rather post mafia stratergy until heavily pushed. In case you didnt realise, this is exactly how scum plays - trying to not be in the spotlight whilst staying under the radar - something that your play has been. And you even admit that you havent been actively trying to hunt scum. lol. Your "defense" towards the sheep part has been a stellar "but i pushed ET wagon along with you!". I have pointed out that even though you were suspisious of ET, you actually wait for me to vote him first before getting on. Scum doesnt want to be put in the limelight after a mislynch, and you waiting for me to go on him is scummy to me. Even if we discount that, what other reads have you have had? You have done no other significant pushes, and aside from your current post, no hard accusations. Look at it. Even here, this "case" does not have a vote along with it. This clearly shows how flip-floppy his is being even at this critical juncture. I would expect a townie to push harder. His last sentence of "ET, gumshoe, Matt, Sl0osh, what do you think about this?" just makes it clear as day that he is testing the waters, seeing if he can gain any sort of push with his accusations, and is obviously waiting for someone to jump on before submitting his own vote. I am almost 100% sure that trackdoor would have immediatedly voted onto one of his targets once someone went on them. And you dont even adress the rest of my points and instead go on to pick on the "numerous cases" part on my case. Mattchews case on you I have repetedly said is weak. No need to point it out. However, it is NOT a contradiction. I never referred to Matt's case when I said this. Stop trying to make up bullshit and actually attack my play if you want to attack me. It is not a contradiction, stop trying to paint it as one. As for the other cases, I was pointing to steves and sloosh's short case. Numerous was perhaps a exaggeration, but you get the point. Than you go on to say that Aldreans in similar to you. I havent gone through a proper look at his filter as of yet, but Im probably going to do so after you or matt hang and post my thoughts tomorrow, since we focus on one lynch at at time, and there are already 2 who I strongly believe to be scum on the way to be lynched. No point bringing up another case at this point. Next lets look at his portion on Aldrean: Now alderan. As you know, he has been very very lurkish these days. It's midweek, and I was expecting that he can show up more, as he stated before: Yet, I haven't seen much about him. He promised to do reads of me. These claims never materialized though. Your absence has been really weird. When you post your case against me, you better not repeat some of the same obvious points that Steve and Zel have claimed, since I suppose you have been watching me from long before. It's that not the case, chances are that those two players already did the job for you. I was already suspicions about him before, and this adds up very well. Now, you all would ask, why you only focus in people accusing you? Because that's what we are risking, another mislynch. I'm pointing these facts to warn you that they are pushing hard to lynch me as a way to finish this game, when yet their arguments against me are not really convincing. I repeat, I'm trying to prevent a mislynch, and If I can afford a luxury, convince you that those 3 players are scum, which I'm pretty sure they are. If you are so confident that I could build a case onto Aldrean using similar points, why the hell arent you doing it? You state that a case with the same substanse of mine can be built against Aldrean, yet you dont bother to build it. Instead, your "case" is a weak one, once again based mostly on links similar to Mattchew's. Im going to do you a favor and sum up your accusations against Aldrean and you can see for yourself how terrible they are. 1) He lurk. 2) No post case - applicable to you. 3) Repeats that lurk = wierd. 4) Wants case that brings new points - you dont bring up new points. 5) He has been OMGUSing (I think, cant really be sure who that last para is adressed to) - Im relatively sure this is untrue. Note: I stand by my opinion that Aldrean is scum, but im just pointing out how terrible a case this is. Did I also mention that the main crux of your entire case is based off links too? Look at what happened with the last one. If you are town it is wrong on at least 2 counts - and you really make another case with the same general basis, knowing how weak and unreliable such a type of case is? You call my case unconvincing, but in reality it is yours that has no basis. | ||
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zelblade
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Also now that who scum is becoming clear I find the scum plan to be pretty ballsy. Have Aldrean post some sort of inconclusive vote analysis, than have mattchew fake an eureka! moment before pushing a case with the potential of getting 2 easy chain mislynches. Bus track along with it to solidify the case, and perhaps giving them the chance to convince town that it was just one wrong read and that the rest of the case was good. Lol. Well played scum, but too bad your plan has fallen apart. And we do need to consolidate our votes. I do believe that mafia are bussing track, and were intending to protect mattchew and use his "confirmed town" status to hang on to the endgame. Guess that he got greedy with the potential of ending it today and pushed the ET case though, and wanted to end it early in case of any wierd crap happening. I am certain that both are scum, but we cannot allow our votes to be split on them. I think that a mattchew lynch would be more valuable than a track one, since it seems that mafia has the intention to bus track hard, whilst aiming to keep matt alive. Might as well deny them that. ##unvote ##vote: Mattchew In other news, I will actually be here for the lynch today since its a nice weekend morning and I wont be cropped up in school. In other other news, rG needs to get in here and goddammed post. I dont see the reasoning for subbing into a game you dont intend to play. Hawkins seems to have really ragequitted from what I see. It seems likely that 2 modkills are coming up.... Which sucks big time since if they are both town we lost already. Hopefully one of them is the last scum though, which I find quite likely. | ||
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zelblade
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zelblade
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We need to consolidate the lynch now. We have 2 excellent scum targerts today. Since rG and hawkins are apparently mia its going to be nigh on impossible to find a lynch today. If my hunch is right and one of them is scum, we need EVERY SINGLE TOWNIE on the same person. I would heavily suggest mattchew as the wagon seems to be halted by scum. | ||
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ZBot
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Current votes: Mattchew (3): EchelonTee, slOosh, zelblade trackd00r (2): TKHawkins (1): Steveling (0): Not voting: rgTheSchworz, trackd00r, TKHawkins, gumshoe The Day deadline is at 2012-02-25 09:00:00. (That's approximately 11:12:06 from now.) | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On February 24 2012 13:28 slOosh wrote: My response to Alderaan: Townies don't try reasoning with their top scum reads to stop trying to make bandwagons. Case closed on Alderaan. TK and Track are my top scum reads. In my mind after that it's either you and ET or Mattchew and Zelblade. God forbid I don't "go on my gut" and take a second to actually think about the person that I am voting for. Voting for anyone other than TK right now is a huge mistake in my eyes... | ||
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