Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII - Page 49

On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:
I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other.
However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content.
Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means.
I have to say he is leaning town right now.

However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect.

On February 22 2012 11:23 Mattchew wrote:
Alderan is town because there is literally nothing scummy about his play at all. If we are right about the other 3 being scum theres no way in hell they would let him (or he would) post anything about the switch from ET to Dimmu, which he did

On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts

On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town.

On February 23 2012 11:26 slOosh wrote:

ET was wrong about MG. Janaan was wrong about MG. Jaj22 was wrong about MG. DYH was wrong about MG.
Do you see why I have a problem with you leaning anything remotely town on him because he was unsure about MG??

On February 21 2012 00:41 Mattchew wrote:
Of these five, 2 or 3 should be the remaining scum team (+/- rg) This is who vig should shoot into in this order
Alderan
TKHawkins
trackd00r
Janaan
zelblade

On February 21 2012 11:03 Mattchew wrote:
also theres the chance of a miller gum

On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts.

On February 24 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote:
The reason why you have to think before you post is because you are scum. You have to carefully phrase how you are going to post it, so that it makes u seem unscummy, because if you post directly how you feel/think then it will expose you/

You are considering whether or not to tell me LOL YOU'RE SCUM and go balls to the wall, or to say LOL I WAS JK LETS BE FRIENDS. It has been about 1.5 hours, and you are definitely in thread. The correct, town response, would have been to say "LoL ur just using OMGUS, I'm obviously not scum".

On February 24 2012 08:26 gumshoe wrote:
Oh and on the severe off chance that either sloosh or ech are scum, thanks to you guys for teaching me to never trust anyone ever again.

On February 24 2012 08:31 Mattchew wrote:


I was actually in class from 3:15 to 5:15 EST in Mahwah NJ, and then drove 50 minutes home Bridgewater, NJ and posted from my phone at the tail end of my commute around 6:05pm.

On February 24 2012 08:23 slOosh wrote:
As perhaps seen by my pressuring Steveling after the night 2 post, I have suspected the possibility of Mattchew as scum.
The possibility revolved around a Mattchew/Steveling/Alderan / ??? combo, so I wanted to see his response to me voting Steveling.


This is why I think Mattchew is scum:

The biggest thing is that he still hasn't posted anything.
I'll quote myself here:


Look at his post day 3 actions. He has STILL yet to post any original content AT ALL. He hasn't done anything constructive with the content produced by his plan, but instead just gave us some town reads and pointed out who he doesn't like with little one liner reasonings. Not contributing anything at all. This type of play is so Anti-Town, and firmly steps into the land of scum when the situation is MYLO and there is no reason why town should hide anything.


The next point is observing how he shows favoritism to Alderan and Steveling.



The couple things to note here: his absolute certainty that Alderan is town. It is absolute. And it is poor logic too. It's all based on his fixation that his suspects are scum and therefore mafia would not act in such a way => Alderan town. Using WIFOM as a basis for confirmed town reads? Pshh.
Second bold line. Look at Mattchew's filter and ctrl f Alderan. He only quotes him once, and shows no indication of thinking Alderan brings up"good discussion points".

As for Steveling:


Wishy washy on him, but puts him in the most likely town reads section. Doesn't actually give reasoning but just some observations.

Another favoritism post I forced out of him here:

Not only has he not mentioned Steveling's stance on MG in his prior most likely town list, but is hesistant to vote him and resorts to mentioning how confused he is and how he wants to read over the filters, and then ignores this and moves onto trackd00r.


Couple of soft evidence (stuff I wouldn't base a case off but definitely supports it)

He directs blues. The first thought I had reading the night 2 post was, "Why did they shoot Janaan of all people" - I believe it a vig snipe as vigs are the most dangerous to scum right now - then I asked "How did they identify him as vig"?


Remember this? The vig list with no explanation? He is fishing for blues and Janaan takes the bait here
Absolutely no reason to make such a list as town. Pro scum agenda.


I don't think it is a stretch to say he is experienced enough to know that my case came at day 1 before a possible detective check, and certainly knows there is almost no possibility to me being the 2nd detective after jaj22 flip. Instead of trying to help gumshoe think productively, he puts this in. Pro scum agenda.


No reason to post the bold part. It is a town thing to make sure people don't WIFOM night kills but there was no danger for this at all. I'm guessing it is redirect of medic prot. In either case, if I'm posting my town reads I don't comment on how much I feel like they will die or not. In the least that logic should apply to anyone who dies, not just me.

On February 24 2012 08:34 EchelonTee wrote:


ok I believe you that you were away from thread, you don't need to tell me the exact details of your personal life :p

On February 24 2012 08:27 Mattchew wrote:
Why it is reasonable to vote for Mattchew (me)

1. I have been overly aggressive and spammy
2. I have created chaos in a town setting that needed focus
3. My reads were wrong and are constantly changing
4. I have had a lot of contradicting reads and actions in this game
5. I shut up MG and TK which is where pressure becomes too much pressure
6. My big 4 scum post was bad. The case was not strong especially in a newbie game where everyone is easy to pick on.
I have let scum dictate my play, regardless of who the scum team ends up being, they have had a serious negative impact on my reads and overall play.


Well WTF have you been doing?

Good Question. What most of you don't know (I tried to breadcrumb it through my posts about gumshoe), I have never fully read the thread. I skimmed up until I joined, and then barely followed along until after jaj was shot.
This lead me to realize that I probably wasn't going to be making any good cases. I tried to sheep sloosh cause I knew he was good town in the game before.

Then I noticed the vote switch. In my first game ever (I was scum) we organized a HUGE ass vote switch last minute. The dimmu lynch brought back these memories, and then seeing exactly 4 people had switched from ET to Dimmu, I thought it almost as a sign from God or something. I followed up on those 4 by reading their filters. I remember (I think it was Adam497 or w.e) saying that he had realized post game that he should have known who was scum because of their refusal to heavily interact with one another. When I saw the minimal (and yes there was a lot of scummy) interactions with these 4, I was ready to be the hero. I then realized that Sloosh was getting his way this game. I did actually read and think his and ET's case was bad on DYH.

So finally after realizing that I was not town's hero I went back and re-read the thread. This is why I am fumbling around changing my reads every 3 seconds in a time where we need focus the most. I am playing like shit. For that I honestly have to apologize to town and everyone playing this game. A lot of you called me on my shit play but I was too arrogant to listen.

So what Mattchew?

You're right this post reeks of scum as well. I know its a little overreaction based on only getting 2 votes but with scum team having 4 votes and me being town I realize that 1 townie vote on me could lead to inevitable death and loss.

I've read this far, your post sounds terrible but maybe its honest, anything else

I have to say don't lynch me because thats my win condition and I have to play to it. Don't give me sympathy for this post and you should still hammer on me to play better. If I survive and we do lynch scum I will do my best to provide better reads.

On February 24 2012 08:41 gumshoe wrote:


Matt do you wanna know what itll take for me not to lynch you? I wanna see hawk get modkilled, and flip scum, thats all im asking for, someone give me that and I will stand by you to the bitter mylo.

On February 24 2012 06:45 EchelonTee wrote:
LMAO, I'm way more aggresive this game than last. I don't post setup posts when I'm scum to specifically avoid them. I don't use WIFOM when I'm scum to avoid them. When I'm scum, I actually play a MORE CAREFUL game. I find it hilarious that you're using out of thread stuff to try and prove things, fully contradictory to your

meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta meta

nonsense.

The difference is that when I buddied to prplhz, I specifically avoided making any comment on his alignment until he was a confirmed townie. Not only is sloosh not a confirmed townie, but me and him had a BACK AND FORTH early game that made people think I was scum. Why the hell would I do that as scum?

You're definitely scum now Mattchew. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and grats for not voting me even though ur making a huge accusation.

##Unvote: Steveling
##Vote: Mattchew